COVID-19

[Circa]

Masks probably do more to prevent someone who has the virus from spreading it to others than it does stopping the wearer from getting the virus, though it helps with that too. It doesn't completely stop the spread of Covid-19, but it does significantly reduce it.

I beg to differ. There Is no science behind wearing a mask. There Is science behind lack of oxygen, and you're own airway being obstructed.

For Example.: Summertime and It's HOTTTT and Humid, you got your mask on but since your sweating more and breathing harder you touch your face more ... We are being told we are idiots by people making money off of us.... This thought of masks Is a joke. JMHO

 

[TorontoGold]

I beg to differ. There Is no science behind wearing a mask. There Is science behind lack of oxygen, and you're own airway being obstructed.

For Example.: Summertime and It's HOTTTT and Humid, you got your mask on but since your sweating more and breathing harder you touch your face more ... We are being told we are idiots by people making money off of us.... This thought of masks Is a joke. JMHO

It's to the droplets inside your mask rather than continue to spray it around.

 

[arahop]

I beg to differ. There Is no science behind wearing a mask. There Is science behind lack of oxygen, and you're own airway being obstructed.

For Example.: Summertime and It's HOTTTT and Humid, you got your mask on but since your sweating more and breathing harder you touch your face more ... We are being told we are idiots by people making money off of us.... This thought of masks Is a joke. JMHO

Polish Leppy has a question and it's this
"Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?"



Circa and PolishLeppy should have a play date in the NYC subways. Feel free to go there with your strong beliefs and touch some rails and breathe the air in without a mask. I'm guessing you two characters buy the bulk of your supplies from a local Rural King. Don't let science blind you. It's the enemy.

 

[Legacy]

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Originally Posted by Bishop2b5
Masks probably do more to prevent someone who has the virus from spreading it to others than it does stopping the wearer from getting the virus, though it helps with that too. It doesn't completely stop the spread of Covid-19, but it does significantly reduce it.

I beg to differ. There Is no science behind wearing a mask. There Is science behind lack of oxygen, and you're own airway being obstructed.

For Example.: Summertime and It's HOTTTT and Humid, you got your mask on but since your sweating more and breathing harder you touch your face more ... We are being told we are idiots by people making money off of us.... This thought of masks Is a joke. JMHO

Additionally, n95 masks (vs homemade or surgical masks) filter out very small particles (down to 0.3 microns in diameter) like airborne microorganisms that float in the air. COVID as well as tuberculosis, measles, chickenpox, disseminated herpes zoster have such small diameters that necessitate use of these types of masks and other precautions to prevent the wearer from being infected.

We are learning that COVID may even require greater precautions. The standard rule of spatial separation in airborne precautions is 6 feet. Of 10 studies on horizontal droplet distance of COVID, 8 showed droplets travel more than 6 feet, in some cases up to 26 feet. Available studies also show that SARS-CoV-2 can be detected in the air, and remain viable 3 hours after aerosolization which happens with coughing, sneezing, etc.

Because of this airborne transmission of small particle respiratory pathogens, control of airflow is very important.
You don't want someone with this virus on a subway and, if not overwhelmed in a pandemic, in a hospital they would be placed in a negative pressure room in a hospital that prevent particles in the air from leaving that room.

Lots of medical and surgical procedures that can generate aerosolized particles. In most cases, these airborne particles are generated during manipulation of the large airways as in manual ventilation with a bag and mask, intubation, open endotracheal suctioning, bronchoscopy, CPR, collecting sputum samples. nebulizer therapy, non-invasive positive pressure ventilation (BIPAP, CPAP).

That's the science behind masks, transmission of respiratory infections and precautions.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I beg to differ. There Is no science behind wearing a mask. There Is science behind lack of oxygen, and you're own airway being obstructed.

For Example.: Summertime and It's HOTTTT and Humid, you got your mask on but since your sweating more and breathing harder you touch your face more ... We are being told we are idiots by people making money off of us.... This thought of masks Is a joke. JMHO

Oh thank the Lord. Now all those crazy surgeons can stop wearing masks in the OR then. No need for them to wear masks since, as you say, there is no science behind.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Polish Leppy has a question and it's this
"Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?"



Circa and PolishLeppy should have a play date in the NYC subways. Feel free to go there with your strong beliefs and touch some rails and breathe the air in without a mask. I'm guessing you two characters buy the bulk of your supplies from a local Rural King. Don't let science blind you. It's the enemy.

My post above didn't include any of my beliefs. I was genuinely seeking information from others.

Not sure how quick or slow you are with the google machine, but it's been about a week and you still can't tell me one Trump policy that has negatively impacted Americans.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So my old man is presumed to have it. They didn't admit, but are carefully monitoring him. They would only test if he was going to be admitted. Dangerous and scary game given his age and previous COPD diagnosis.

 

[NDLS_USMC]

So my old man is presumed to have it. They didn't admit, but are carefully monitoring him. They would only test if he was going to be admitted. Dangerous and scary game given his age and previous COPD diagnosis.

Prayers just now for your dad, NDA. Will get my son and wife to help during bedtime prayers, too.

Have a couple older friends who have recovered so hoping it's quick bounce back for him!!

 

[Irish#1]

So my old man is presumed to have it. They didn't admit, but are carefully monitoring him. They would only test if he was going to be admitted. Dangerous and scary game given his age and previous COPD diagnosis.

Hope it turns out well.

One of my staff members who is working from home said last week her mom who works in a nursing home started showing signs and got tested. Her results are due back today or tomorrow. This morning she calls in and says she is feeling bad. Given her mom works in a nursing home and she lives with her mom, I have a feeling both have it.

 

[GowerND11]

If you are wearing a cloth mask, it isn't great, but better than no protection. Unless you have top quality N95 masks and the like, you aren't going to get (almost?) complete protection. However, I would say some is better than none.

I think sometimes too many people are arguing a false narrative when it comes to the facemasks. It isn't that we are all now well protected that means we can go back to work. It's, we are all better protected than nothing so we can accomplish essential functions like getting groceries and such.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

So my old man is presumed to have it. They didn't admit, but are carefully monitoring him. They would only test if he was going to be admitted. Dangerous and scary game given his age and previous COPD diagnosis.

our prayers are with you

 

[Ndaccountant]

Thanks everyone

 

[Bluto]

My post above didn't include any of my beliefs. I was genuinely seeking information from others.

Not sure how quick or slow you are with the google machine, but it's been about a week and you still can't tell me one Trump policy that has negatively impacted Americans.

Farmers were/are getting hammered due to the trade war with China. Took about 10 seconds to come up with that.

 

[Circa]

Polish Leppy has a question and it's this
"Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?"



Circa and PolishLeppy should have a play date in the NYC subways. Feel free to go there with your strong beliefs and touch some rails and breathe the air in without a mask. I'm guessing you two characters buy the bulk of your supplies from a local Rural King. Don't let science blind you. It's the enemy.

I'm not a wolf by any means,.... But I assure you as the air I breathe I will never be the sheep. Shepherd maybe.

I would go to any inner city/highly populated area in a tenth of a heartbeat and live life as normal as 2 months ago. The CDC has been putting out questionable reports..

We are in some weird times,... but I'd rather die (myself, not hurt anyone else) to keep stability, and open and honest freedom. I'm not going to sit around waiting for us to say 10 years from now, we overreacted and lost the way of life we Americans are accustomed to. 9/11 should have taught some of us older guys the shit we lose out of scare tactics....



The whole rural king thing Is an odd statement... Are you asking If I work hard labor everyday? Or are you saying I'm a dumb redneck/hillbilly? I've traveled the world with my profession and I have family involved in all aspects of humanity. Bar-None.
I also know I don't know. I'm always happy to be taught anything, with honest information to learn from. I'm just not a team player when It comes to sketchy news stations reporting false narratives.

GO IRISH!

 

[Circa]

Oh thank the Lord. Now all those crazy surgeons can stop wearing masks in the OR then. No need for them to wear masks since, as you say, there is no science behind.

Surgeons wear masks to prevent others from being infected, from their own self.. They may cough, or sneeze and then they would need to clean the rest of their scrubs in order to continue. They don't wear them for their own protection. They wear face shields, (just like construction workers) if particles could be floating in the air. (sawing into limbs/ skull... what-not. Disclaimer: I may be wrong on this. It's what I've read from multiple sources and my niece, who Is an RN was taught.

Workers of the CDC have admitted Coronavirus is level 2, No mask required. It might be workers that have been fired. But, what do they have to gain with all of the trillions being thrown around to everyone but them?
I'm sure the CDC has raised this virus now to equal Ebola... Even a level 3 Is fraud..... Coronaviruses do not have blood conditions. That's a fact. Yet, they say people are dying in unfamiliar conditions.


WHY?

 

[Circa]

Farmers were/are getting hammered due to the trade war with China. Took about 10 seconds to come up with that.

What's interesting about this Is China had a clause in our trade agreement with them that If any 'Pandemic was to occur" the trade was to be over. This was a few weeks before we knew the virus was even in existence.
Kinda seems like an act of war....

Edit: I kinda saw the political aspect after posting... I am In no certain terms a member of a political party. I follow no 2 party system... So I apologize to the believers of the crap that we are being fed.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm new to this thread and I don't know much about Circa.

But dude seems real live. Lol

 

[Circa]

Oh thank the Lord. Now all those crazy surgeons can stop wearing masks in the OR then. No need for them to wear masks since, as you say, there is no science behind.

I guess we could go to China and see how their one baby system/mask wearing people have been doing for the last 30 years... It might not be science but the mask wearers are the givers of a virus. (airborne) I think that's...........


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[TorontoGold]

I guess we could go to China and see how their one baby system/mask wearing people have been doing for the last 30 years... It might not be science but the mask wearers are the givers of a virus. (airborne) I think that's...........


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From 1991 to 2018 the population growth rate of China has been less than the US.

 

[Circa]

From 1991 to 2018 the population growth rate of China has been less than the US.

Exactly. They had a 1 baby system. It was well known in the 90's and we as young guns thought It was insanity.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/one-child-policy

 

[Ndaccountant]

Surgeons wear masks to prevent others from being infected, from their own self.. They may cough, or sneeze and then they would need to clean the rest of their scrubs in order to continue. They don't wear them for their own protection. They wear face shields, (just like construction workers) if particles could be floating in the air. (sawing into limbs/ skull... what-not. Disclaimer: I may be wrong on this. It's what I've read from multiple sources and my niece, who Is an RN was taught.

Workers of the CDC have admitted Coronavirus is level 2, No mask required. It might be workers that have been fired. But, what do they have to gain with all of the trillions being thrown around to everyone but them?
I'm sure the CDC has raised this virus now to equal Ebola... Even a level 3 Is fraud..... Coronaviruses do not have blood conditions. That's a fact. Yet, they say people are dying in unfamiliar conditions.


WHY?

Has it ever occurred to you that the mask recommendation isn't to protect the individual, rather everyone else? There are many asymptomatic carriers that are not aware they are infected. The decree on masks is to prevent them spreading.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Has it ever occurred to you that the mask recommendation isn't to protect the individual, rather everyone else? There are many asymptomatic carriers that are not aware they are infected. The decree on masks is to prevent them spreading.

Why Grug do thing that not help Grug?

 

[Circa]

Has it ever occurred to you that the mask recommendation isn't to protect the individual, rather everyone else? There are many asymptomatic carriers that are not aware they are infected. The decree on masks is to prevent them spreading.

Yes It has.
But from everything I have read and heard, asymptomatic people is none existent with the CORONAVIRUS. It's nothing other than words. This is not my own opinion.
Asymptomatic Is a political term....These days more than ever.
Just an hour ago I've read that covid19 has 20 different variables. 1 vaccine won't work either.. I reckon we should just make money and give it to the world....

I'll change my signature to make sure people don't just take my word for it. Everyone needs to stop and read.

 

[yankeehater]

Glad to see the Covid forum stayed away from politics over the weekend.

 

[yankeehater]

Has it ever occurred to you that the mask recommendation isn't to protect the individual, rather everyone else? There are many asymptomatic carriers that are not aware they are infected. The decree on masks is to prevent them spreading.

In a perfect world you might be correct, but this ain't that. Someone alluded to the fact, well, surgeons wear them. Surgeons are also properly trained on how to wear and use the masks and gloves. They also remove and properly discard them from one setting to the next. They DO NOT wear the same PPE from their surgery room into another surgery or to see their next patient. How many people out there are discarding their blue masks after each use? Or washing their clothes ones after every use?

I was observing people yesterday morning and most people were not wearing them properly. Not covering their nose, vents on both side of the mouth. The only woman wearing it properly pulled it down to place her order grabbing the cloth mask right where her mouth is to pull it down. She then proceeded to touch the counter and the door handle on the way out. Everyone else was adjusting and touching theirs the whole time. Truthfully, I witnessed more germ spread with a room full of people wearing masks so if masks are our key we are in it for the long haul.

 

[yankeehater]

Farmers were/are getting hammered due to the trade war with China. Took about 10 seconds to come up with that.

Way to generalize! My family of farmers is being hurt way more by a virus out of China than a tariff on China. Only growers of specific crops were touched by the tariff.

 

[Circa]

Glad to see the Covid forum stayed away from politics over the weekend.

Glad to see Italics. Information gained (not tried to be understood) need's a new area in the Encyclopedia Britannica. Welcome to the future....

 

[Circa]

In a perfect world you might be correct, but this ain't that. Someone alluded to the fact, well, surgeons wear them. Surgeons are also properly trained on how to wear and use the masks and gloves. They also remove and properly discard them from one setting to the next. They DO NOT wear the same PPE from their surgery room into another surgery or to see their next patient. How many people out there are discarding their blue masks after each use? Or washing their clothes ones after every use?

I was observing people yesterday morning and most people were not wearing them properly. Not covering their nose, vents on both side of the mouth. The only woman wearing it properly pulled it down to place her order grabbing the cloth mask right where her mouth is to pull it down. She then proceeded to touch the counter and the door handle on the way out. Everyone else was adjusting and touching theirs the whole time. Truthfully, I witnessed more germ spread with a room full of people wearing masks so if masks are our key we are in it for the long haul.

Reps. and rep's... and rep's. We are all intelligent enough to understand your way of writing.


I'm just happy you are smart enough to make it easy to understand.

 

[Ndaccountant]

In a perfect world you might be correct, but this ain't that. Someone alluded to the fact, well, surgeons wear them. Surgeons are also properly trained on how to wear and use the masks and gloves. They also remove and properly discard them from one setting to the next. They DO NOT wear the same PPE from their surgery room into another surgery or to see their next patient. How many people out there are discarding their blue masks after each use? Or washing their clothes ones after every use?

I was observing people yesterday morning and most people were not wearing them properly. Not covering their nose, vents on both side of the mouth. The only woman wearing it properly pulled it down to place her order grabbing the cloth mask right where her mouth is to pull it down. She then proceeded to touch the counter and the door handle on the way out. Everyone else was adjusting and touching theirs the whole time. Truthfully, I witnessed more germ spread with a room full of people wearing masks so if masks are our key we are in it for the long haul.

Intent and execution are two different things

 

[Circa]

I am making a Dunce cap (gotta protect my brain too) to stop the Sun's Gamma Rays from stealing my soul... I'll be sitting in the corner and still be trying to be the smartest guy in the room...
Pointy hat and all.



Just kidding.... I'll just run for office and become a part of Skull&Bones.