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Not calling any single individual out, but you must have glossed over a lot of other messages before choosing this one to complain about. That or you meant “I’m sick of hearing ideological opinions that don’t mesh with my own.”?

Been holding back. Sick of it from both sides. I want to read important information in this thread that will help learn and protect everyone! Personally, I have tried to post what I found to be new insightful stories or studies.
 

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True....they are set to begin to test the homeless in LA on Friday so the numbers may see a spike.

From a mortality per capita basis. Testing the homeless wont change that. The states that had issues were states with high r0 or early index cases. The rural health care system is as or more fragile than the urban ones. They just haven't been hit yet.
 

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I am sick of coming on here and reading unhelpful posts like this especially of political nature (there is another forum for you to rant in). Is Trump or any politician perfect? "NO!" But for Einsteins like you that think Trump is the only one to blame can you explain why the top seven states for both cases and fatalities are all heavily left leaning "BLUE" states. The cases have also hit areas especially hard that have been run down by Democratic policies. These policies have led to poverty and poor health care in these areas. California has shut down hospitals in the most needed areas because unfunded emergency room visits many by undocumented citizens have made it impossible for them to financially sustain themselves. Now when needed most, there was the possibility of shortages because of this.

Sorry for the rant, but I stopped entering the political threads because I was tired of reading all of the BS from both sides.

The states with a lot of cases are for a multitude of reasons, but the fact that they're blue states has little to do with it. You can't exactly compare New York to Montana.
 

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Jack's take on the current situation after a conference call with Vice President Mike Pence and the College Football Playoff management committee

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This is the backlash that will become more and more concerning and why we are possibly setting the stage for a large second spike.

I think we are guaranteed a second spike b/c of the current strategy. Putting everyone in bubbles until the cases decrease is all but guaranteeing that they spike back up when everyone is let out of their bubbles. Granted, most of us aren’t in true quarantine unless we’re infected but there needs to be a happy medium or we will cycle in and out of this until there’s a vaccine which could be as far off as 2022.
 

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Been holding back. Sick of it from both sides. I want to read important information in this thread that will help learn and protect everyone! Personally, I have tried to post what I found to be new insightful stories or studies.


Exactly! I’ve seen stories about how a Democratic Governor in NY sold off PPE stockpiles that a Republican President accumulated after Katrina. I’m also aware that our President states flatly that the NY Gov was wildly overstating the need for ventilators (he was correct). I also don’t necessarily blame the Gov though because he was relying on poor models.

I’ve seen stories about how the president was going to fire Fauci. Apparently that’s nonsense. The delay in stimulus checks so the president can have his name on them.... again nonsense.

I believe the republicans deserve some derision as well. Stock sell offs reflect quite poorly. Some states were pretty late to the party on taking steps to slow the spread. I personally think the federal government is NOT responsible for every state’s shortcomings. I believe they should augment each state as each state has unique needs. I don’t believe those on this board are being intellectually honest when being blindly critical of the president. I don’t like his demeanor with the press at all, but I can sometimes understand why he gets that way since they’ve been in attack mode every single day for 3+ years. I’m critical of the administration when I disagree and don’t like several things they’ve done. However, the view that many have is that he literally is awful in every situation.

The laughable belief that a federal government can handle any widespread situation like this without any mistakes is crazy. The bureaucracy alone makes it nearly impossible to steer things in the right direction in a timely fashion. Even states have a hard time differentiating between an urban, highly infected area and a rural area with literally 2 active cases county-wide.

I’m sure I’ll be dismissed as a boob that knows nothing because I’m not a hospital administrator or I’m not friends with numerous doctors. The problem is that many of these experts have bias as well and many have been consistently making mistakes throughout this entire pandemic.

I apologize for the length of the post, but I’m a bit tired of reading how stupid I must be if I don’t totally agree with all of the biased statements here. I think we can all agree that we have a polarizing President and that is unfortunate because it really brings out the intolerance of many.

At the end of the day I will be wishing all of you well and I am hopeful that you and your families are healthy. Take care and God bless
 

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My manager at work has five daughters. He & one of his daughters had COVID-19. His other four daughters never expressed symptoms or tested positive. All six did their due diligence and were quarantined as directed so they followed all the rules. But wouldn’t his other daughters have been all but guaranteed to have the virus as well considering they share the same house?

I like my odds at the grocery store more than my odds sharing a house w/ two known infected patients.
 

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Exactly! I’ve seen stories about how a Democratic Governor in NY sold off PPE stockpiles that a Republican President accumulated after Katrina. I’m also aware that our President states flatly that the NY Gov was wildly overstating the need for ventilators (he was correct). I also don’t necessarily blame the Gov though because he was relying on poor models.

I’ve seen stories about how the president was going to fire Fauci. Apparently that’s nonsense. The delay in stimulus checks so the president can have his name on them.... again nonsense.

I believe the republicans deserve some derision as well. Stock sell offs reflect quite poorly. Some states were pretty late to the party on taking steps to slow the spread. I personally think the federal government is NOT responsible for every state’s shortcomings. I believe they should augment each state as each state has unique needs. I don’t believe those on this board are being intellectually honest when being blindly critical of the president. I don’t like his demeanor with the press at all, but I can sometimes understand why he gets that way since they’ve been in attack mode every single day for 3+ years. I’m critical of the administration when I disagree and don’t like several things they’ve done. However, the view that many have is that he literally is awful in every situation.

The laughable belief that a federal government can handle any widespread situation like this without any mistakes is crazy. The bureaucracy alone makes it nearly impossible to steer things in the right direction in a timely fashion. Even states have a hard time differentiating between an urban, highly infected area and a rural area with literally 2 active cases county-wide.

I’m sure I’ll be dismissed as a boob that knows nothing because I’m not a hospital administrator or I’m not friends with numerous doctors. The problem is that many of these experts have bias as well and many have been consistently making mistakes throughout this entire pandemic.

I apologize for the length of the post, but I’m a bit tired of reading how stupid I must be if I don’t totally agree with all of the biased statements here. I think we can all agree that we have a polarizing President and that is unfortunate because it really brings out the intolerance of many.

At the end of the day I will be wishing all of you well and I am hopeful that you and your families are healthy. Take care and God bless

Great post. Thanks for posting it. Many on here do get dismissed and called stupid because they may disagree with statements on here. It's unfortunate and divisive.

And of course many mistakes are going to be made by the government in a situation like this.... Especially when the country of origin is still actively trying to cover it up.

It's a no win situation. We cant do nothing and at the same we can't destroy our country.
 

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The states with a lot of cases are for a multitude of reasons, but the fact that they're blue states has little to do with it. You can't exactly compare New York to Montana.

Agreed, comparing New York to Montana is pointless. What we are seeing is blue state governers showing their tyrant tendencies. See Illinois and Michigan.
 

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Oh, now we need common sense? That would be novel for this administration. Lots of folks dying from this hoax!

Lol your dumbass solution to the problem is some big expansive Federal plan.

You are a few tator tots short of a hotdish bud lmao
 

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Lol your dumbass solution to the problem is some big expansive Federal plan.

You are a few tator tots short of a hotdish bud lmao

Exactly. Here’s a bi-partisan apolitical post I stole from someone on Twitter:

If the government & central planners were doctors, they would fix your cough by amputating your legs.

And the central bankers would then pump u full of adrenaline & give a treadmill for Christmas.
 

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Exactly. Here’s a bi-partisan apolitical post I stole from someone on Twitter:

If the government & central planners were doctors, they would fix your cough by amputating your legs.

And the central bankers would then pump u full of adrenaline & give a treadmill for Christmas.


The problem with the government (World) mandated virus control is, people think they can start making rules (politicians, normal tax payers)
Please don't steal. Please stay the course... Weird times indeed.

This is as bad as anyone alive has ever witnessed. Let's not be apart of the madness.



BTW. To everyone that has a cute 1 liner, or ummm..... can't think past their next masturbation..... Please start reading what this country can do (what It wants to do). We are in a very serious time. The amount of freedom/// that we are on our way to lose is exponentially incalculable.

Shit's about to get real.... Real Dumb...........
 
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Oh, now we need common sense? That would be novel for this administration. Lots of folks dying from this hoax!

:laugh: You can't stop a pandemic, you can only slow it. If Biden had his way we wouldn't have halted travel, we could have had a lot more infected people coming into the country and spreading the disease faster than it has been. Governors on both sides of the aisle have complimented the administration on their response to COVID, if you want to be critical you should look at the WHO. They're supposed to be the experts and they came out at the beginning and advised that the virus wasn't a big threat. New York and New Jersey make up half of all the cases in the US, the rest of us have been doing pretty well containing this thing.
 
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I have a question:
Why do people believe in the death count that Is over inflated and wrong in certain states that need numbers? Who cares what team of the political shit your on, why Is this a mundane figure?
There are numerous accounts of people dying at 60-90 years old with heart disease and cancer, and so many life ending normal ways to die...
Yet these people are going to have lovely Family members that adore them thinking they lost someone to a virus? (Grew up worried about Sex and AIDS and went out thinking about China?).
OK>. How many politicians and corporate CEO's are going to have family members pining for some extra death benefits after this ridiculous scam is over?


If It's political what side is the side that could do better?.
 

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Agreed, comparing New York to Montana is pointless. What we are seeing is blue state governers showing their tyrant tendencies. See Illinois and Michigan.

Ok I'll bite, what's tyrannical about what they're doing? YJ has been saying that Gov of Michigan has been hypocritical when it comes to treatment, but I havent heard tyrannical yet.
 

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Ok I'll bite, what's tyrannical about what they're doing? YJ has been saying that Gov of Michigan has been hypocritical when it comes to treatment, but I havent heard tyrannical yet.

Yah I'd like to know to. Or was it just some meme someone saw somewhere ...
 

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Bringing all this manufacturing back to America sounds great surface level. But what I don’t think folks realize is the labor market was already tapped . Where am I’m going to folks to work?

Pretty great problem to have considering

Im in the service industry and we have been dealing with this for years. Even when i do find employees, getting work out of them is impossible.

This. Employee shortages are not a good thing. Hawaii has been one of the tops in the nation regarding the unemployment rate. It's really hard to find good employees in everything from entry-level stuff to highly specialized roles. The post-COVID world will be interesting to navigate.
 

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As well intentioned as all the models have been whether they were authored by the Imperial College or IMHE (UW), they’ve been woefully incorrect.

The University of Sydney, Northwestern & UT have together found that only 30% of US states have an actual death count lying w/in the 95% prediction interval. That means 70% of actual death counts lie outside the 95% prediction interval. That’s what we are currently basing our lockdown on?!?!?

Can we all agree that the solution lies between “doing nothing” and “complete lockdown”? One NW statistician declared that we can’t even rely on IMHE correctly predicting what to expect the next day much less the next month.

Another thing I hope we can all agree on is that you don’t compare a densely populated state like NY or NJ to a small rural state like Kentucky or Alabama. Or for that matter, you can’t compare a densely populated state like NY where everyone’s on top of each other vs a densely populated state like California that is vastly spread out.

You're assuming that the models are static, they're not. As Kelly points out, below, the numbers are adjusting in real time. Have you not noticed that the IMHE model posts the update date(s)? It's moving downward because of our restrictions. Also, I'm pretty sure it's not a one-size-fits-all model. I've watched the curves and projections for each state change over time. States like Wyoming had a way less aggressive curve than States like New York and Washington.

More data brings more finely tuned models. I think we have to be careful not to over state what we've been able to accomplish with social distancing. And, again, there are likely other factors at play here that are not currently measurable or accounted for in the models. Fostering a general mistrust for the models secondarily nurtures a resentment for the epidemiologists and scientists often associated with them. This is a dangerous perspective for the general public to take because we still need to listen if/when a second wave or winter peak comes around.

I'm all for getting back to work, and I think there will be a well devised plan to start that process in the next couple weeks.

This, but I think you mean "understate" instead of "overstate." It would be an understatement to say that without social distancing we would see many more deaths. It would be an overstatement to say that the lead up to this was pure theatre.


I am sick of coming on here and reading unhelpful posts like this especially of political nature (there is another forum for you to rant in). Is Trump or any politician perfect? "NO!" But for Einsteins like you that think Trump is the only one to blame can you explain why the top seven states for both cases and fatalities are all heavily left leaning "BLUE" states. The cases have also hit areas especially hard that have been run down by Democratic policies. These policies have led to poverty and poor health care in these areas. California has shut down hospitals in the most needed areas because unfunded emergency room visits many by undocumented citizens have made it impossible for them to financially sustain themselves. Now when needed most, there was the possibility of shortages because of this.

Sorry for the rant, but I stopped entering the political threads because I was tired of reading all of the BS from both sides.

Come on, my man. The reason why the top states for cases and fatalities are blue is due to the number of persons in those states and the population density because of those numbers. People want to live in those states because they have the most opportunity, the most development, and the most care.

Would you rather live in California, even with all its downside, or some shit hole like North Dakota? And regarding poverty, states like Alabama and Mississippi lead the nation in those figures. They ain't blue, bro.
 

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I can't tell if this is posted with irony and sarcasm or if Polish is trying to maintain some semblance of seriousness.



Bazinga.

Well the Constitution says whatever 5 of 9 SCOTUS judges say. But my Con law professor is a hard left guy, even he admits if you take a strict textual approach it leans right.

To me, that's the best approach to take, not necessarily because it the Framers were necessarily correct about everything, but because when people signed on to this form of government that's what it meant.

It would be rather odd to sign a contract that meant one thing at the time it was agreed upon and then to say "well that was the deal back then, but today it (rather conveniently) means entirely something else."

If you dont like it, get it amended. If you are so confident that your idea is correct, it should be easy.

Hawaii shouldn't have statehood. Lol at your senators.
 

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Even as we return to normal life, COVID-19 is not going away, and we will have to adjust to outbreaks and hot spots. Hawaii has gone from curve to flat line, but there are still pockets of concern. Maui's only hospital is the center of about 60-70 positive cases. Not large compared to big cities, but potentially devastating to a rural hospital, especially the only one on island.

My hospital currently has about 30 employees in the testing protocol. Again, not a large number for someone like Henry Ford Health System, but a potentially crushing caseload for a small provider. I take my temp about 6x a day, at this point. I think everyone does.

Getting back to real life is going to be really interesting. "Regular" patient volumes are so low, my facility may go bankrupt by August. We had a "come to Jesus" discussion, today, about what our survival plans are going to look like. ("Survival plans" means layoffs and furloughs.) I think it was RDU who said hospital administrators just want to "make their lives easier" or something to that effect, when discussing lockdowns. That's a pretty funny comment, bruh.
 

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This. Employee shortages are not a good thing. Hawaii has been one of the tops in the nation regarding the unemployment rate. It's really hard to find good employees in everything from entry-level stuff to highly specialized roles. The post-COVID world will be interesting to navigate.

The recently unemployed and previously insured under their employers are all looking health insurance coverage.
Four ways they can get health insurance -
1. Enroll under a family member's plan
2. COBRA - pay the full price of insurance including their employers part
3. Enroll in Medicaid, which needs to meet state's eligibility requirements unless they loosen those.
4. For Medicaid expansion states who have their own exchanges and have opened them up due to special circumstances, enroll through those.
5. Should the fed government open the federal exchanges, select a plan through those.

Some projections on state's unemployment percentages by July 2020 has come out. Here's the highest ten states (some tied for last):

1. Nebraska - 19.7%
2. Louisiana - 18%
T3. Hawaii an Alaska - 17.8%
5. Mississippi - 17.5%
6. Delaware - 16.8%
7. Pennsylvania - 16.6%
T. 8. Missouri, West Virginia, Wyoming - 16.3%

One of the factors is "Pct. of workers in high-risk industries".

Nebraska's Pct of workers in high-risk industries is 33.5% (the highest)
Hawaii's is 27.1% (2nd highest)
Wyoming's is 25.5% (3rd highest)

Eleven states have opened their state-run exchanges in special open enrollment periods. None of the ten states above with the projected highest unemployment rates have state exchanges. California has enrolled over 58,000 people through their state-run exchange since they opened its special enrollment period.

Those states who chose not to participate in the Medicaid expansion, who prior to COVID had high poverty and high uninsured populations, as well as have a high percent of workers in high-risk industries and are experiencing higher job losses for those with employer sponsored health care benefits may have the most impact on their state's economies.

One of the sectors losing the most jobs is healthcare with over 43,000 jobs lost. Those jobs may not be considered "high risk" for job loss as others and may be difficult to project. I've seen a figure that of healthcare jobs only 58% have health insurance through their employer.

Each state may have its unique challenges, but we're all in this together.
 
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Exactly! I’ve seen stories about how a Democratic Governor in NY sold off PPE stockpiles that a Republican President accumulated after Katrina. I’m also aware that our President states flatly that the NY Gov was wildly overstating the need for ventilators (he was correct). I also don’t necessarily blame the Gov though because he was relying on poor models.

I’ve seen stories about how the president was going to fire Fauci. Apparently that’s nonsense. The delay in stimulus checks so the president can have his name on them.... again nonsense.

I believe the republicans deserve some derision as well. Stock sell offs reflect quite poorly. Some states were pretty late to the party on taking steps to slow the spread. I personally think the federal government is NOT responsible for every state’s shortcomings. I believe they should augment each state as each state has unique needs. I don’t believe those on this board are being intellectually honest when being blindly critical of the president. I don’t like his demeanor with the press at all, but I can sometimes understand why he gets that way since they’ve been in attack mode every single day for 3+ years. I’m critical of the administration when I disagree and don’t like several things they’ve done. However, the view that many have is that he literally is awful in every situation.

The laughable belief that a federal government can handle any widespread situation like this without any mistakes is crazy. The bureaucracy alone makes it nearly impossible to steer things in the right direction in a timely fashion. Even states have a hard time differentiating between an urban, highly infected area and a rural area with literally 2 active cases county-wide.

I’m sure I’ll be dismissed as a boob that knows nothing because I’m not a hospital administrator or I’m not friends with numerous doctors. The problem is that many of these experts have bias as well and many have been consistently making mistakes throughout this entire pandemic.

I apologize for the length of the post, but I’m a bit tired of reading how stupid I must be if I don’t totally agree with all of the biased statements here. I think we can all agree that we have a polarizing President and that is unfortunate because it really brings out the intolerance of many.

At the end of the day I will be wishing all of you well and I am hopeful that you and your families are healthy. Take care and God bless

Couldn't have said it better and I'll repeat myself. If Trump had locked down the country earlier, all you would read about is Trump being a dictator and overreacting. Now he takes heat for not acting early enough. No win situation and I doubt any of us could have done better. Trump needs to keep his mouth shut because half of what he says is wrong or he'll backpedal from it. Regardless, this is a direct result of China and the WHO not doing the right thing.
 
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Ok I'll bite, what's tyrannical about what they're doing? YJ has been saying that Gov of Michigan has been hypocritical when it comes to treatment, but I havent heard tyrannical yet.

Michigan's governor is threatening to fine people up to $1000.00 for anyone who they deem violates the stay at home order.

The governor of Illinois has suggested no large gatherings until we have a vaccine.

The moron here in PA decided to shut down the state run liquor stores, but beer stores are open. For those who don't know, you can go to some grocery stores for wine and beer in PA. If you want vodka, bourbon, rum, etc you can only get it at the state run liquor stores. So now PA residents are driving to nearby states for the goods.

Newsom in CA has been one of the few to thank the feds for their support. Meanwhile you have others who demand money and supplies from DC, but have no problem ripping Trump and blaming him at the same time. What a crock.

Bottom line...a few red states were slow to act on this (FL, GA) and some blue state gov's are really enjoying this power too much.
 

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Michigan's governor is threatening to fine people up to $1000.00 for anyone who they deem violates the stay at home order.

The governor of Illinois has suggested no large gatherings until we have a vaccine.

The moron here in PA decided to shut down the state run liquor stores, but beer stores are open. For those who don't know, you can go to some grocery stores for wine and beer in PA. If you want vodka, bourbon, rum, etc you can only get it at the state run liquor stores. So now PA residents are driving to nearby states for the goods.

Newsom in CA has been one of the few to thank the feds for their support. Meanwhile you have others who demand money and supplies from DC, but have no problem ripping Trump and blaming him at the same time. What a crock.

Bottom line...a few red states were slow to act on this (FL, GA) and some blue state gov's are really enjoying this power too much.

So the states that you said had tyrannical blue govs, the worst things they've done are propose a fine for breaking the stay at home order and suggest no large gatherings till a vaccine is found. How are these inconsistent with what is being done in other countries around the world?

I'm curious on what your suggested approach would be for these states then, also do you think it was a good idea for those people to protest yesterday?
 

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Ok I'll bite, what's tyrannical about what they're doing? YJ has been saying that Gov of Michigan has been hypocritical when it comes to treatment, but I havent heard tyrannical yet.

The Gov of NJ stated that “consideration of the Bill of Rights for citizens is above my pay grade”. That’s not ok. If you disagree than we agree to disagree.
 

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The Gov of NJ stated that “consideration of the Bill of Rights for citizens is above my pay grade”. That’s not ok. If you disagree than we agree to disagree.

You're 100% correct, that's absurd that he didn't consult anyone on that.
 

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So the states that you said had tyrannical blue govs, the worst things they've done are propose a fine for breaking the stay at home order and suggest no large gatherings till a vaccine is found. How are these inconsistent with what is being done in other countries around the world?

I'm curious on what your suggested approach would be for these states then, also do you think it was a good idea for those people to protest yesterday?

Whitner has done more than that. She's been completely nutzo the whole time. First she threatened doctors for the use of hydroxychloroquine simply being a partisan hack, then decreed a bunch of rules that were unclear and confusing. Stores that remained opened like Walmart and Groceries weren't able to sell things deemed non-essential by her. Folks were complaining they couldn't buy things like baby needs and other simple things. She also wouldn't allow businesses that sold gardening supplies (like tomato plants, etc.) to remain open, and people that wanted to grow their own food got riled up. There's a bunch of different stuff you can find with a simple google.
 

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100% of folks shaming you for questioning lockdowns are still getting a check.
 
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