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Bro, you accuse me of arguing with ghost, because apparently you think everybody agrees it came from the lab but Cack does not so I’m confused why you’re still talking to me.
I dont know why you don't get this.... I said I dont know where it came from. Im laughing at the dumb Fox news article about CIA agents getting paid for switching low confidence assessments. lmao.
 

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Lol the government doesn't think it came from a Pengolin. That's just what they told you to believe hoping it'd go away.
What's your source for this claim and what's your confidence assessment? Tbh Im the only one so far to post a link to a credible source to further the conversation.
 
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Bro, you accuse me of arguing with ghost, because apparently you think everybody agrees it came from the lab but Cack does not so I’m confused why you’re still talking to me.
That gif is from a sketch where the other person made a good point so he's trying to ignore them.
 

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My response is not to take issue or argue (always appreciate your level headedness and wish I could do it as well as you lol)

My only push back would be on the framing of myself being on the fringes. I know I am the resident pink pussy hat bleeding heart on here, but my positions on vaccines are not controversial and shared by the majority.

My overall position is that if these vaccines were so dangerous as many on here have stated, then why is it an apolitical issue? Why is there no country that has outlawed them? It is one of the only issues that Russia/US/France/Ethopia all have a similar approach to.

The reason why I think I get cast as lunatic/granola leftist is that I pushback on edge cases that some use here, like where someone has a vaccine allergy so they can't get the vaccine or other rare cases.

(Personally I have only gotten 3 shots and stopped wearing a mask in 2021 so at this point if people want to get a vax it's up to them)
Bonus points for "resident pink pussy hat bleeding heart" and "granola leftist".
 

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Guys, guys, guys. Enough arguing. Dr. Ding Lberry, physician, scientist, and poster extraordinaire, has spoken. And if there’s anything we’ve learned about Dr.Ding, it’s that his brilliance shall not be questioned!
 

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I dont know why you don't get this.... I said I dont know where it came from. Im laughing at the dumb Fox news article about CIA agents getting paid for switching low confidence assessments. lmao.
It’s pretty obvious where it came from. Like Gattaca said… is anyone really questioning the origins… besides you of course?
 

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there is a lot to be said about being first. If Obama said it came from a Wuhan lab in China first then imagine how many people and how many bootlickers on this board would claim that it came from a Wuhan lab.
And others would deny it, just because it was said by him...LOL
 

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And others would deny it, just because it was said by him...LOL
Yeah I have to say if Obama said it was created from Jewish Space lasers systems that we’d have an entirely different politically driven conspiracy theory that would hurt Obama politically
 

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It’s pretty obvious where it came from. Like Gattaca said… is anyone really questioning the origins… besides you of course?
What source(s) do you have? I provided the US governments consolidated opinion based on intelligence and current knowledge above. It’s not convinced me one way or the other and that’s fine. What convinced you. Seems like a lot of speculation so far.
 

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What source(s) do you have? I provided the US governments consolidated opinion based on intelligence and current knowledge above. It’s not convinced me one way or the other and that’s fine. What convinced you. Seems like a lot of speculation so far.
This is not the court of law brother. It’s common knowledge the virus originated in or near Wuhan China. The same place a Wuhan lab was developing and manipulating these very viruses. If your window is broken and there is a rock sitting on the floor with the broken glass and I am standing outside your window smiling and laughing…. would you need a link to figure that one out or just a lot of speculation? Sometimes people deal in common sense, something you obviously lack.
 

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Cack, you think the government is going to admit the crime of the century, and come out and say "we created Covid 19 and by the way, with your tax dollars?"
 

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Cack, you think the government is going to admit the crime of the century, and come out and say "we created Covid 19 and by the way, with your tax dollars?"
Can you provide me a link where Cack thinks for himself?
 

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This is not the court of law brother. It’s common knowledge the virus originated in or near Wuhan China. The same place a Wuhan lab was developing and manipulating these very viruses. If your window is broken and there is a rock sitting on the floor with the broken glass and I am standing outside your window smiling and laughing…. would you need a link to figure that one out or just a lot of speculation? Sometimes people deal in common sense, something you obviously lack.
Apparently not....it doesn't have to be a court of law for me to require some sources before I trust or believe anything. Haha. I'm asking you for your sources and you say common sense.... sorry that doesn't fly with me. Thats basically speculation. We were discussing earlier the propensity for changing peoples minds. Are you interested in that? Do you want to move the discussion forward.... provide me evidence for your claims. I'm taking a complete non-controversial position in the " I dont know" category and I'm completely open to taking in new evidence.

Common sense will tell you if you jump off a roof you are going to fall. If the fall is too high will be injured. If its high enough you might die. None of this provides any information about WHY or HOW the fall will do this. For that you need evidence, data, and inquiry to generate a theory in light of not having ALL the evidence need to make 100% truthful statement. No court of law. Its called logic and reasoning and I'm perfectly allowed to require such things to make an informed opinion and without those "I dont" know" is the only other reasonable position to hold.

According to the DNI (a source I provided above) their theory is that the preponderance of evidence indicates a natural origin with the caveat that more evidence would be needed to be provided from China and that they are unresponsive or unwilling to help the international community but also they have strong evidence the Chinese government had no knowledge of a weaponization program or that it was release from a lab intentionally. I accept that and hold that I'd agree that is a fair assessment, with my own caveat that if I was presented with further evidence to incorporate into their analysis, I'd be willing to change my mind. So... I ask again, outside of common sense what is your evidence that it originated from a lab in Wuhan China that somehow the US Government has missed or should take credibly and they arent? I'm asking what conviced you.
 
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This is so true. If it’s your team, it’s true. If it’s the other team, it’s false.
If something is supported by 81% of the population - is it really a team based idea? Or just loud fringe just trying to be taken seriously?

This really isn't a both sides thing. 81% of American's got at least 1 shot.

 

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Apparently not....it doesn't have to be a court of law for me to require some sources before I trust or believe anything. Haha. I'm asking you for your sources and you say common sense.... sorry that doesn't fly with me. Thats basically speculation. We were discussing earlier the propensity for changing peoples minds. Are you interested in that? Do you want to move the discussion forward.... provide me evidence for your claims. I'm taking a complete non-controversial position in the " I dont know" category and I'm completely open to taking in new evidence.

Common sense will tell you if you jump off a roof you are going to fall. If the fall is too high will be injured. If its high enough you might die. None of this provides any information about WHY or HOW the fall will do this. For that you need evidence, data, and inquiry to generate a theory in light of not having ALL the evidence need to make 100% truthful statement. No court of law. Its called logic and reasoning and I'm perfectly allowed to require such things to make an informed opinion and without those "I dont" know" is the only other reasonable position to hold.

According to the DNI (a source I provided above) their theory is that the preponderance of evidence indicates a natural origin with the caveat that more evidence would be needed to be provided from China and that they are unresponsive or unwilling to help the international community but also they have strong evidence the Chinese government had no knowledge of a weaponization program or that it was release from a lab intentionally. I accept that and hold that I'd agree that is a fair assessment, with my own caveat that if I was presented with further evidence to incorporate into their analysis, I'd be willing to change my mind. So... I ask again, outside of common sense what is your evidence that it originated from a lab in Wuhan China that somehow the US Government has missed or should take credibly and they arent? I'm asking what conviced you.
The Fauci emails suggest other scientists believed the makeup the virus looked engineered. I don’t have links because I’m driving.

The countless number of times Mr. Fauci lied about what they were doing at the Wuhan lab and who was funding it. Mr. Fauci was basically just arguing semantics and definitions, and was completely getting away with it but they were obviously developing this virus at that lab. I don’t even think that is even disputed. Again, I’m not going to stop my travels to provide links.

The improbability and the convenient fact that the virus was started in the same place the Wuhan lab was developing these viruses. The odds of this virus just naturally occurring in that same city is relatively small and almost impossible.

I’m not even suggesting China was weaponization the virus, or that it was leaked intentionally. I think it’s safe to assume that it could have happened on accident, but from the lab. I think there is enough logic and reasoning there. Until they can find the animal that started all this at some random wet market in Wuhan China just down the road from the Wuhan lab then I will change my assessment and view on this topic.

Everyone knows the virus came from China. Even China knows the virus came from China. It would be very easy and in China’s favor to cooperate if the end result was that it started in a market and not a lab. There are reasons people lie, there are reasons why people do not cooperate. Those reasons are typically guilt.
 

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If something is supported by 81% of the population - is it really a team based idea? Or just loud fringe just trying to be taken seriously?

This really isn't a both sides thing. 81% of American's got at least 1 shot.

A lot of Americans wanted to keep their jobs. The vast majority of people I’ve talked to that has gotten at least one shot did it to maintain employment. Your stat doesn’t mean they support anything… just says they got a shot, which was mandated in most cases.
 

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A lot of Americans wanted to keep their jobs. The vast majority of people I’ve talked to that has gotten at least one shot did it to maintain employment. Your stat doesn’t mean they support anything… just says they got a shot, which was mandated in most cases.
They deemed it safe enough to get it? If it was as dangerous as some seem to think. I would think the number would be lower than 81%.
 

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They deemed it safe enough to get it? If it was as dangerous as some seem to think. I would think the number would be lower than 81%.
But that is not your argument, your argument is that they support it
 

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The Fauci emails suggest other scientists believed the makeup the virus looked engineered. I don’t have links because I’m driving.

The countless number of times Mr. Fauci lied about what they were doing at the Wuhan lab and who was funding it. Mr. Fauci was basically just arguing semantics and definitions, and was completely getting away with it but they were obviously developing this virus at that lab. I don’t even think that is even disputed. Again, I’m not going to stop my travels to provide links.

The improbability and the convenient fact that the virus was started in the same place the Wuhan lab was developing these viruses. The odds of this virus just naturally occurring in that same city is relatively small and almost impossible.

I’m not even suggesting China was weaponization the virus, or that it was leaked intentionally. I think it’s safe to assume that it could have happened on accident, but from the lab. I think there is enough logic and reasoning there. Until they can find the animal that started all this at some random wet market in Wuhan China just down the road from the Wuhan lab then I will change my assessment and view on this topic.

Everyone knows the virus came from China. Even China knows the virus came from China. It would be very easy and in China’s favor to cooperate if the end result was that it started in a market and not a lab. There are reasons people lie, there are reasons why people do not cooperate. Those reasons are typically guilt.
i mean…. I’m asking for sources of what convinced you so when you get to a point you are not driving and can cite actual evidence that the US government didn’t have access to or didn’t take seriously please update your post.
 

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i mean…. I’m asking for sources of what convinced you so when you get to a point you are not driving and can cite actual evidence that the US government didn’t have access to or didn’t take seriously please update your post.
I’m pretty sure a lot of this stuff is widely available and common knowledge. What are refuting? In the interest of having an open mind I think it’s so widely available you can find your own sources. Maybe I will or maybe I won’t find the time to google sources, your ignorance is not at the top of my priority list.
 

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I’m pretty sure a lot of this stuff is widely available and common knowledge. What are refuting? In the interest of having an open mind I think it’s so widely available you can find your own sources. Maybe I will or maybe I won’t find the time to google sources, your ignorance is not at the top of my priority list.
You haven’t provided anything to refute, currently it’s just your opinion and an unsupported one at that. More generalizations. What did Fauci lie about? Why is the DNI wrong in their assessment and what makes you so certain where they are very uncertain? A man that honorably served every president from Reagan on all of a sudden lies about COVID? Here is a link to fact checks on Faucis lies though I’m not sure what specific lies you are talking about because you didn’t specify what he lied about do one digging and came up with this:


Doesn’t seem like he lied very much about anything though if you were specific we can look at that.

How does Fauci not lying or lying about other stuff support the virus came from a lab? What evidence is ther the virus came from the lab in Wuhan that you find compelling.

Here is a NIH aggregate search for covid lab origins and it all says the same thing…. A lab origin is unlikely and the most likely scenario is a natural origin.

I’ve personally read through several of these reports that are publically reviewable and aggregated herein and not one suggests a lab source for multiple supported reasons.

I do find China’s refusals to work with international community irritating though not unexpected. I’d expect most countries to be cagey with the sovereignty on most things though public heath there should be collaboration as the utmost concern.

It shouldn’t be hard to provide at least a starting point or basis for your opinion if it’s so strongly held and supported.
 
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I’m pretty sure a lot of this stuff is widely available and common knowledge. What are refuting? In the interest of having an open mind I think it’s so widely available you can find your own sources. Maybe I will or maybe I won’t find the time to google sources, your ignorance is not at the top of my priority list.
You can’t seem to get through a single post without being a gigantic, gaping goatse. Are you like this in real life? If so, I’m guessing you’re a miserable cunt to be around.
 

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But that is not your argument, your argument is that they support it
They supported the notion that it isn't dangerous by choosing to receive the vaccine. Do you think these people would put their life in jeopardy for this?
 

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They supported the notion that it isn't dangerous by choosing to receive the vaccine. Do you think these people would put their life in jeopardy for this?
That’s a reach you can’t support. Last I looked almost half the population question the vaccines safety.
 
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