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[ACamp1900]

I believe a person should never be forced to pay for someone else's abortion/contraception... or poor choices...

Will anyone please fight for my rights???

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe this is the problem. There is no agenda. There are no sneaky gays trying to corrupt your children and kill your marriage. They are just good people wanting equality,. That is it. No one forcing you or your church to do anything. All they want is to be recognized as married couple in the eyes of the law and afforded the same rights that any other married couple receives. Where is the agenda? Explain it to me?

Here's my agenda:

All men are created equal. Jesus taught me to love others. If you want to marry and be gay, then I honestly don't care if you do. Just as I am sure gay people don't care that I married a woman.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Here's my agenda:

All men are created equal. Jesus taught me to love others. If you want to marry and be gay, then I honestly don't care if you do. Just as I am sure gay people don't care that I married a woman.

Word!

 

[ACamp1900]

Maybe this is the problem. There is no agenda.

Ah, I am not pro or anti gay marriage... or ANY form of marriage. I just take issue with the view that it is anyone's civil right ot marry anyone. My wife and I were told we couldn't marry in the church we wanted for a couple of reasons... were my civil right's violated?? We still got married but if anyone can marry shouldn't they then be able to do so where they please??

anyway...

there is definately an agenda here to some... and yes, anyone could find a stupid agenda to any cause, no doubt... but there are definately those in the gay community that have this end game.

Same-Sex Marriage, the Church and the Right to Discriminate | Dumb Things Straight People Say

 

[ACamp1900]

. People pay for lots of things that they do not like.

Solution for all... cut the fed. gov. WAY the hell back...

problem solved... for all.


Seriously though, I don't even think we disagree on all but maybe 2 little issues in a bucket of 300 on this topic... and we are still arguing... you and I Jayson, will just never see eye to eye...

cheers

 

[Rhode Irish]

Ah, I am not pro or anti gay marriage... or ANY form of marriage. I just take issue with the view that it is anyone's civil right ot marry anyone. My wife and I were told we couldn't marry in the church we wanted for a couple of reasons... were my civil right's violated?? We still got married but if anyone can marry shouldn't they then be able to do so where they please??

anyway...

there is definately an agenda here to some... and yes, anyone could find a stupid agenda to any cause, no doubt... but there are definately those in the gay community that have this end game.

Same-Sex Marriage, the Church and the Right to Discriminate | Dumb Things Straight People Say

You're serious about this? Nobody is saying the church cannot decide who it "marries" and doesn't marry. This about marriage rights afforded by the government, not the church. If you're confused about this, everything you've ever thought or said about this is even less valid than I thought it was 20 minutes ago.

 

[jason_h537]

Solution for all... cut the fed. gov. WAY the hell back...

problem solved... for all.

cheers

Yup, who needs paved roads, public schools, cops, firefighters, electricity, clean water, building codes to ensure safe structures, work laws to avoid exploitation, emission regulation so that we don't have to wear gas masks. commerce laws so that we have money that has value and is recognized in trade. The government often sucks. but they provide a lot of things that are not only good but necessary.

 

[magogian]

Hate is what drives these people not the good book. Marriage was around before Christianity. Marriage as defined by the bible is a business transaction between a father and future husband. Marriage is not exclusive to Christianity. No one is forcing the church to do anything. They don't have to marry same sex couples, they do not have to consent, or even acknowledge same sex couples. This is not a church debate. This is about the civil rights of American citizens.

Why should American citizens rights be limited because of what you believe? Not everyone in this country is Christian. So why are Christian laws being forced upon the population? Its because they hate gays. That's the real reason. Just another example of the bible being used to justify hate. You can either follow the bible to a T, use it as a guide to live a good life, or ignore it. Not all three. Unless you follow the bible to the very word, you have no reason to deny Gay rights, and no one in this chat room follows the bible word for word.

So much ridiculousness packed into two paragraphs.

Hate is what drives these people not the good book . . . . Its because they hate gays. That's the real reason.

This false argument is what shows your radical and dangerous position. You simply refuse to permit your political opponents to have any motivation other than sheer hatred. All must bow down to your truth. It isn't simply enough to try to persuade or win at the ballet box. No, you must marginalize and use every tool at your disposal to eviscerate your enemy. Your line of thinking is right in line with the despicable attempts in Chicago and Boston to use the coercive force of government to punish those that dare express disagreement with the goals of the gay rights movement.

Why should American citizens rights be limited because of what you believe? Not everyone in this country is Christian. So why are Christian laws being forced upon the population?

And why should rights be created or altered because of what you believe? Everyone has beliefs, and everyone's beliefs inform their political positions. It is incredibly discriminatory, and frankly anti-American, to say that essentially only your (and those that agree with you) beliefs count.

Unless you follow the bible to the very word, you have no reason to deny Gay rights, and no one in this chat room follows the bible word for word.[/

Must be one of the worst arguments I've heard it a long time, full of logical fallacies and rather incoherent. Humans are fallible. The fact that an individual sins and doesn't follow the Bible perfectly says nothing about the correctness of Biblical truths or the ability of an individual to cite to those truths.

 

[ACamp1900]

You're serious about this? Nobody is saying the church cannot decide who it "marries" and doesn't marry. This about marriage rights afforded by the government, not the church. If you're confused about this, everything you've ever thought or said about this is even less valid than I thought it was 20 minutes ago.

I have said that marriage is a religious rite... benefits tied to it and ceremonies performed at the JotP are all an issue imo... the state should have nothing to do with it... how this is hard for people to understand is beyond me...

I liken it to a person stealing your HDTV, you go to the cops and the officers say, "Sorry the TV is in his house now and he is using it as a cpu monitor, it's not even a TV now... so clearly, it is not your TV."

I have also stated many times that any benefit given to a partnership is fine... just don't take a religious rite of passage pertaining to contracts, love, business or otherwise and tell me the government should have more sway than the church. AS I have said many times, no law should play into this one way or the other... and gays should be able to find a church willing to marry them.

If you're are confused by this... oh, well...

 

[Rhode Irish]

So much ridiculousness packed into two paragraphs.

This is worst post in the history of the board. By possibly the board's worst human being. Pretty words, aggressive rhetoric, zero substance.

 

[magogian]

Thanks for the petty downvote Rhode Irish and for reinforcing one of my points.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Thanks for the petty downvote Rhode Irish and for reinforcing one of my points.

Your welcome. Would sit here for an hour redbombing you if it would let me. Based on the few posts of yours I've read, you are possibly the worst person I've ever encountered in my life.

 

[Grahambo]

This should probably close up soon. I see this heading in the wrong direction.

 

[Grahambo]

Your welcome. Would sit here for an hour redbombing you if it would let me. Based on the few posts of yours I've read, you are possibly the worst person I've ever encountered in my life.

Dude..personal attacks..chill out

 

[Rhode Irish]

I've disagreed with many posters on this site regarding political issues. I've never once called someone a bad person, until now. I think Magogian is a bad person. I also don't think I've ever neg repped someone (at least a non-troll). But I don't recall ever being as bothered by anything here as I am by his posts.

 

[jason_h537]

So much ridiculousness packed into two paragraphs.

This false argument is what shows your radical and dangerous position. You simply refuse to permit your political opponents to have any motivation other than sheer hatred. All must bow down to your truth. It isn't simply enough to try to persuade or win at the ballet box. No, you must marginalize and use every tool at your disposal to eviscerate your enemy. Your line of thinking is right in line with the despicable attempts in Chicago and Boston to use the coercive force of government to punish those that dare express disagreement with the goals of the gay rights movement.

And why should rights be created or altered because of what you believe? Everyone has beliefs, and everyone's beliefs inform their political positions. It is incredibly discriminatory, and frankly anti-American, to say that essentially only your (and those that agree with you) beliefs count.

Must be one of the worst arguments I've heard it a long time, full of logical fallacies and rather incoherent. Humans are fallible. The fact that an individual sins and doesn't follow the Bible perfectly says nothing about the correctness of Biblical truths or the ability of an individual to cite to those truths.

My radical and dangerous position? Maybe the problem is that this is a political debate and not a religious one. There is a difference. Jews can't eat ham, they don't force anti ham laws on everyone. If you want to teach that homosexuality is wrong and ungodly, go right ahead. You can open a church and preach whatever you want. Even the Westboro Baptist Church is protected to protest at military funerals. But this is about American civil rights, not religious rights, as much as you would like it to be. We obviously believe in very different Gods, so why don't you get your God out of my politics, and the government will continue to let you preach and believe whatever you want.

 

[ACamp1900]

This should probably close up soon. I see this heading in the wrong direction.

yeah this thing should go bye-bye...

I will do my part and simply let it go... I mean it this time.

 

[magogian]

I've disagreed with many posters on this site regarding political issues. I've never once called someone a bad person, until now. I think Magogian is a bad person.

The above statements are what happens when you dare argue that someone who doesn't agree with every facet of the gay rights movement just may be something other than a Bible-thumping, spittle covered, seething hate monster.

Interestingly enough, Rhode Irish has never bothered to ask what my positions are. Just the fact that I raise concerns is enough to brand me the worst person he has ever encountered. It would be funny if Rhode Irish wasn't such a sad indictment of our political culture.

But my apologies, it wasn't my intention to derail this thread with a discussion of how I'm the worst person.

 

[jason_h537]

yeah this thing should go bye-bye...

I will do my part and simply let it go... I mean it this time.

Shut up grandpa you know you love it.

 

[magogian]

My radical and dangerous position? Maybe the problem is that this is a political debate and not a religious one. There is a difference. Jews can't eat ham, they don't force anti ham laws on everyone. If you want to teach that homosexuality is wrong and ungodly, go right ahead. You can open a church and preach whatever you want. Even the Westboro Baptist Church is protected to protest at military funerals. But this is about American civil rights, not religious rights, as much as you would like it to be. We obviously believe in very different Gods, so why don't you get your God out of my politics, and the government will continue to let you preach and believe whatever you want.

You completely missed my point. Oh well, I gave it a shot.

 

[BobD]

I hate airline baggage fees!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I hate airline baggage fees!

And waitresses at Tilted Kilt with small bitties..... That's just wrong.

 

[Rhode Irish]

The above statements are what happens when you dare argue that someone who doesn't agree with every facet of the gay rights movement just may be something other than a Bible-thumping, spittle covered, seething hate monster.

Interestingly enough, Rhode Irish has never bothered to ask what my positions are. Just the fact that I raise concerns is enough to brand me the worst person he has ever encountered. It would be funny if Rhode Irish wasn't such a sad indictment of our political culture.

But my apologies, it wasn't my intention to derail this thread with a discussion of how I'm the worst person.

I really don't think I need to ask what your positions are. The only time you're compelled to post here is when gay rights are being discussed, and you come talk yourself in circles to say in a fancy way that, essentially, you don't think gays should have the same rights as anyone else.

As for your assertion that "someone who doesn't agree with every facet of the gay rights movement just may be something other than a Bible-thumping, spittle covered, seething hate monster," I just don't agree. There is not a single viable reason to actively oppose same-sex marriage. We can have a civil debate about the size of government, or our approach to foreign policy, or whatever other political topic we could have a divergence of opinion on. But when it comes to human rights, I think there are certain positions that are antithetical to being a quality human being.

I get that some people are not intellectually capable of forming their own opinions on this stuff, but that doesn't seem to be your problem. You appear to be pretty smart, or at least you're articulate enough. Those that are capable of thinking about this stuff and, after some thought, come out where you are have something wrong with them, IMO.

 

[jason_h537]

And waitresses at Tilted Kilt with small bitties..... That's just wrong.

Maybe you need to learn to appreciate a nice booty like an adult!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Maybe you need to learn to appreciate a nice as like an adult!

Say wha?

 

[jason_h537]

it was supposed to say ***, but you can't say *** on this board because *** is crossing the line.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

it was supposed to say ***, but you can't say *** on this board because *** is crossing the line.

See, now that I understand........... We're on the same page.

 

[BobD]

it was supposed to say ***, but you can't say *** on this board because *** is crossing the line.

or crossing the crack.

 

[NDinL.A.]

We got enough people complaining and reporting posts that we're closing this thing down before you guys kill each other. '

Do political/religious threads ever end well?