Chick-Fil-A

[irishpat183]

None of this matters, because winter is coming.

That's why it matters...because it's "coming" and not "here"

LOL

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Well, despite the sarcasm meter going off... for the most part I agree...

partnerships could easily be recognized with the gov. if we are to keep tax rates as they are and so on... or yeah we can do away with any benefit attached to the idea of marriage... obviously the first option is more doable...

like I said in my first post, I know how the wind blows on this issue... but I am pretty dang anit-gov. (shocker right?) to begin with and they did indeed overstep church and state here.

Agreed. So what is the solution to this? Do we keep denying people civil benefits until the government, insurance companies, hospitals, etc. start calling it something else or do we allow them these benefits even though they are using a word (marriage) that is not correct for what they are partaking in (i.e. a civil union)? Is there another solution? Maybe we can have some kind of LLCP (Limited Liability Civil Partnership) that would be used for individuals instead of companies?

 

[johnnykillz]

None of this matters, because winter is coming.

To the Wall.

I've seen a few walkers.

Wait, was that three horns?

 

[Bubba]

FYI... WalMart now sells gallon jugs of sweet tea that taste very similar to CFA's. So, now you don't need to spend $6 for a gallon. Just sayin'

 

[BobD]

Get religion out of your vote and keep it out.

If you don't agree, lets see how you feel about it in a few decades. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Something has always troubled me about the “Don’t vote with your religion” stuff… if you really tell a person of the church they can’t vote with their faith and religious morality what you really tell them is that they can’t vote.

Everyone (hopefully) votes according to what they believe is right or wrong… church goers are no different yet they get singled out. Also many people of non-faith impose their morality every bit as much as those of faith (see the health care bill and contraception taxation for a quick example). Point is, every single responsible voter votes according to their morality at times, so let’s drop that one.

As for the church staying out of the state… I’m all for it, but it goes both ways, the state has to stay the hell out of the church, and if you continue to put religious premises on the ballot you are going to see the church get involved… welcome, reality.

I still say the way to solve this for everyone is keep the government the hell out of it… people keep referencing the church as the block to gay happiness. Last I checked no church can pass federal law, put propositions on a ballot, or rule in the courts… now think about it, what has really kept gays from marrying?? Let each individual church decide who the hell they marry without interference from the gov. and gone is this issue… guarantee it. Then we can move on the REAL civil rights issues facing the homosexual community.

I just feel that someone letting religious beliefs guide their vote, when that vote is being cast in hopes of denying another person equal rights, is wrong and in a way, kind of unamerican.

Stay out of other peoples lives and let the God you believe in do the judging.

 

[Ironman8]

To the Wall.

I've seen a few walkers.

Wait, was that three horns?

My friends and I have had discussions, and we can think of little scarier than hearing three horn blasts.

 

[ACamp1900]

Agreed. So what is the solution to this? Do we keep denying people civil benefits until the government, insurance companies, hospitals, etc. start calling it something else or do we allow them these benefits even though they are using a word (marriage) that is not correct for what they are partaking in (i.e. a civil union)? Is there another solution? Maybe we can have some kind of LLCP (Limited Liability Civil Partnership) that would be used for individuals instead of companies?

These benefits were first intended to make sure those who benefit, ensure that future generations of this country (their children) are born,... as well as born into promising structure. I am not sure if many know that. If a partnership meets that criteria, then I don't care what the hell we call it... benfit away. (I would also point out that no church can deny a government benefit). It is definately a mess though, I'll go with you on that.

I just feel that someone letting religious beliefs guide their vote, when that vote is being cast in hopes of denying another person equal rights, is wrong and in a way, kind of unamerican.

Stay out of other peoples lives and let the God you believe in do the judging.

First, I am against anyone voting on this issue (obviously) it should never have gotten this far. Second, a belief is a belief, religious or not. Should other belief systems be thrown out of the ballot box when they inject on others(which happens often). Do we only feel this way when it is perceived to be from people who happen to be religious?? If so, I say would you may be discriminating on those with religious ties. I understand not allowing people to shove bible verses down your throat as justification for lifestyle and such, but a person of faith is always going to have their idea of right and wrong be based on, at least in part, their religion.

I can think of many cases where well-meaning people of no religious standings at all happily inject themselves into other's lives (In fact many threads on this site have covered some of these cases).

 

[johnnykillz]

My friends and I have had discussions, and we can think of little scarier than hearing three horn blasts.

Winter is coming brother.

And when it gets here, none of this bickering will mean anything...

 

[BobD]

I just feel that someone letting religious beliefs guide their vote, when that vote is being cast in hopes of denying another person equal rights, is wrong and in a way, kind of unamerican.

Stay out of other peoples lives and let the God you believe in do the judging.

First, I am against anyone voting on this issue (obviously) it should never have gotten this far. Second, a belief is a belief, religious or not. Should other belief systems be thrown out of the ballot box when they inject on others(which happens often). Do we only feel this way when it is perceived to be from people who happen to be religious?? If so, I say would you may be discriminating on those with religious ties. I understand not allowing people to shove bible verses down your throat as justification for lifestyle and such, but a person of faith is always going to have their idea of right and wrong be based on, at least in part, their religion.

I can think of many cases where well-meaning people of no religious standings at all happily inject themselves into other's lives (In fact many threads on this site have covered some of these cases).

"Stay out of other peoples lives and let the God you believe in do the judging". - I'm glad you didn't think this comment was directed towards you, it was just a comment in general, but I just re-read my post and could see where you might of thought it was.

I suck at conveying my thoughts in writing. What I'm trying to say is, I don't think people should enjoy the right of freedom of religion, then try using that freedom to attemp denying someone else freedom. I've heard the comment "you shouldn't be religious when its convenient". well, we shouldn't be "American when its convenient". We should be united in protecting freedom and equality for EVERYONE, even if we don't agree with their choice of a partner (or partners in the case of polygamists). If all parties involved are consenting adults, it should be nobody elses business.

 

[johnnykillz]

My overall question is this:

Why can't we marry our sister or cousins? Think about it.

Gays get the choice of marriage. Why not relatives?

 

[BobD]

My overall question is this:

Why can't we marry our sister or cousins? Think about it.

Gays get the choice of marriage. Why not relatives?

Sadly, In some states (California for example) you can marry your first cousin.

 

[jason_h537]

I love that Chick-Fil-A has become the barometer for Christianity in this country. But i have concluded that America's "Christianity" is something very different from Jesus's Christianity.

Instead of churches telling their congregations to go buy fast food to support denying equal right, why not ask them to go buy fast food and feed a homeless man? Is that not what Jesus taught, give to those who have less than you? Do what is best for the community?

If you do not support gay rights it is because you hate gay people. I don't care what you say. You hide behind God so that you do not have to admit your bigotry.

The bible says a lot of things that people do not follow. If your wife cheats on you, you are supposed to stone her to death, if your brother dies you are supposed to marry his wife. You can not wear garments made of mixed fabrics, You can't get tattoos. You can't get divorced. You can't judge others. Women are property and beneath men. Slaves should know their place and be happy with it. Yet all of these are ignored regularly. If you followed Leviticus as it is written, you would be in jail.

I don't care if you eat Chick-Fil-A or not but at least have the decency to admit you are not Christian, you are just hate filled.

 

[jason_h537]

My overall question is this:

Why can't we marry our sister or cousins? Think about it.

Gays get the choice of marriage. Why not relatives?

I will tell you why, Gay marriage is a relationship between two consenting adults who love each other. On a genetic level relatives share DNA that is so closely related that any offspring would likely be deformed or retarded. Incest is often the result of abuse, there is psychological trauma, much like pedophiles, which is why they behave that way. This slippery slope argument was used against interracial marriage as well.

There is a big difference between two consenting adults and Incest, bestiality, pedophilia, or whatever other thing you would like to compare a homosexual relationship with.

 

[ACamp1900]

I love that Chick-Fil-A has become the barometer for Christianity in this country. But i have concluded that America's "Christianity" is something very different from Jesus's Christianity.

Instead of churches telling their congregations to go buy fast food to support denying equal right, why not ask them to go buy fast food and feed a homeless man? Is that not what Jesus taught, give to those who have less than you? Do what is best for the community?

If you do not support gay rights it is because you hate gay people. I don't care what you say. You hide behind God so that you do not have to admit your bigotry.

The bible says a lot of things that people do not follow. If your wife cheats on you, you are supposed to stone her to death, if your brother dies you are supposed to marry his wife. You can not wear garments made of mixed fabrics, You can't get tattoos. You can't get divorced. You can't judge others. Women are property and beneath men. Slaves should know their place and be happy with it. Yet all of these are ignored regularly. If you followed Leviticus as it is written, you would be in jail.

I don't care if you eat Chick-Fil-A or not but at least have the decency to admit you are not Christian, you are just hate filled.

wow j... you are better than this...

I know none of this was directed at me as I made not a single claim to which you totally flamed... but I would simply point out in defense of those who you did attack...

A main point of Christianity and the New Testment is that we are no longer bound by Mosaic law, Jesus Christ fulfilled that law so it is no longer mandatory. Frankly, people who bring up Old Testament ideas/writings/laws to attack Christians show their fundamental misunderstandings of... well... everything pertaining to Christianity.

In terms of people hating whoever... well obviously, there are those in every camp.

 

[Grahambo]

Oh the disappointment

 

[Bogtrotter07]

See the problem is most people will pull out the Bible and quote it, but almost never practice it.

When talking about the OT, which creation story are you going to believe the one with multiple gods, or the one with one?

And so it goes . . .

 

[ACamp1900]

So now we have some major anti-Semitism and homophobia going on in this thread….. give peace a chance.

 

[jason_h537]

wow j... you are better than this...

yet, everyone else is hate filled???

I know none of this was directed at me as I made not a single claim to which you totally flamed... but I would simply point out in defense of those who you did attack...

A main point of Christianity and the New Testment is that we are no longer bound by Mosaic law, Jesus Christ fulfilled the law so that it is no longer mandatory. People who bring up Old Testament ideas to attack Christians show their fundamental misunderstandings of... well... everything pertaining to Christianity.

Hate is what drives these people not the good book. Marriage was around before Christianity. Marriage as defined by the bible is a business transaction between a father and future husband. Marriage is not exclusive to Christianity. No one is forcing the church to do anything. They don't have to marry same sex couples, they do not have to consent, or even acknowledge same sex couples. This is not a church debate. This is about the civil rights of American citizens.

Why should American citizens rights be limited because of what you believe? Not everyone in this country is Christian. So why are Christian laws being forced upon the population? Its because they hate gays. That's the real reason. Just another example of the bible being used to justify hate. You can either follow the bible to a T, use it as a guide to live a good life, or ignore it. Not all three. Unless you follow the bible to the very word, you have no reason to deny Gay rights, and no one in this chat room follows the bible word for word.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is about the civil rights of American citizens.

Well I have addressed this many times in this thread... aside from that, you can have at your other points to those you threw them at.

cheers

 

[Bogtrotter07]

So now we have some major anti-Semitism and homophobia going on in this thread….. give peace a chance.

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[Bogtrotter07]

And back to my earlier point:

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Also, why is it that nobody gets that the church only sees marriage as between two people. Take a class; the church doesn't do the marrying, neither does the priest. The people do. For that I have a problem with church immediatly spinning and claiming they have authority over who you can choose. Minor point.

 

[Grahambo]

See the problem is most people will pull out the Bible and quote it, but almost never practice it.

When talking about the OT, which creation story are you going to believe the one with multiple gods, or the one with one?

And so it goes . . .

Here's my problem:

I am a Christian and I do not believe in gay marriage. That apparently means I hate gay people which is further from the truth but I digress.

The problem stems from those in support of gay marriage pushing their agenda on me and calling me a "bigot" for not supporting gay marriage but when I try to press my Christian beliefs onto them, I'm the one whose wrong and not accepting.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Wowsers. I've been staying away from this thread because I ended up wasting a ton of time in similar threads earlier in the spring. But thank God Jason is fighting the good fight so I don't have to get dirty in here. Some of you people need to do some serious self reflection and figure out the root of the hate and anger you have inside you. I can't imagine what would drive a sane person to actively oppose two consenting adults having whatever kind of relationship they want to have. It isn't any of anyone's business.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Grahambo, a chara,

I do not believe you hate gay people. And I see you as one of the fairest posters on this site. Maybe you are buying into the franchisors gambit of denying other peoples rights because you are afraid that if you don't you will somehow lose yours, but that won't happen.

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs


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[HoosierIrish]

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[HereComeTheIrish]

Wowsers. I've been staying away from this thread because I ended up wasting a ton of time in similar threads earlier in the spring. But thank God Jason is fighting the good fight so I don't have to get dirty in here. Some of you people need to do some serious self reflection and figure out the root of the hate and anger you have inside you. I can't imagine what would drive a sane person to actively oppose two consenting adults having whatever kind of relationship they want to have. It isn't any of anyone's business.

:awesomewo

 

[Bogtrotter07]

HoosierIrish,

Were you making fun of our attitudes, or lesbians? There is a difference.

 

[Grahambo]

Grahambo, a chara,

I do not believe you hate gay people. And I see you as one of the fairest posters on this site. Maybe you are buying into the franchisors gambit of denying other peoples rights because you are afraid that if you don't you will somehow lose yours, but that won't happen.

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs


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Looking back at saying I do not support gay marriage was the wrong thing to say. I will honestly admit that right now without going back and editing the message. I frankly, do not care if gay people want to get married. If you do, go for it.

It's not even really what bothers me. Do I try to follow the Bible? Yea. Do I fall short? Yea but that's between me and Him. Jesus also taught me to love one another and to care for one another and I intend to do that.

The real issue that bothers me is one side pushing their agenda on the other side (regardless of the issue) and when the role is reversed, it's all about the other side is being hateful, wrong, etc.

Don't push your belief onto someone if you don't want them to push their belief onto you and then go cry about it when they do. (Again, it's a generalization and not intended at one specific issue)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Looking back at saying I do not support gay marriage was the wrong thing to say. I will honestly admit that right now without going back and editing the message. I frankly, do not care if gay people want to get married. If you do, go for it.

It's not even really what bothers me. Do I try to follow the Bible? Yea. Do I fall short? Yea but that's between me and Him.

The real issue that bothers me is one side pushing their agenda on the other side (regardless of the issue) and when the role is reversed, it's all about the other side is being hateful, wrong, etc.

Don't push your belief onto someone if you don't want them to push their belief onto you and then go cry about it when they do. (Again, it's a generalization and not intended at one specific issue)

Good, and I will bet most of the mental pictures you can conjur up on this, were provided by our illustrious media. I was a basically a Viet Nam era vet and beyond. I never had anyone mistreat me. In fact, I can think of a couple of Forest Gump experiences I had with some very laid back individuals. But I get along with almost everybody.

 

[jason_h537]

Looking back at saying I do not support gay marriage was the wrong thing to say. I will honestly admit that right now without going back and editing the message. I frankly, do not care if gay people want to get married. If you do, go for it.

It's not even really what bothers me. Do I try to follow the Bible? Yea. Do I fall short? Yea but that's between me and Him. Jesus also taught me to love one another and to care for one another and I intend to do that.

The real issue that bothers me is one side pushing their agenda on the other side (regardless of the issue) and when the role is reversed, it's all about the other side is being hateful, wrong, etc.

Don't push your belief onto someone if you don't want them to push their belief onto you and then go cry about it when they do. (Again, it's a generalization and not intended at one specific issue)

Maybe this is the problem. There is no agenda. There are no sneaky gays trying to corrupt your children and kill your marriage. They are just good people wanting equality,. That is it. No one forcing you or your church to do anything. All they want is to be recognized as married couple in the eyes of the law and afforded the same rights that any other married couple receives. Where is the agenda? Explain it to me?