BVG Answers The Bell

[loomis41973]

I've always been interested to see what would happen with a triple option attack if you had elite players on both sides of the ball.

For example, if you had Braxton Miller or Denard Robinson or Mike Vick at QB and a Dallas Cowboys OL with Todd Gurley/Leonard Fournette/etc. as a primary runner. And then on the other side of the ball, you have an Alabama defense of a couple years that refuses to give up more than 21 points in a game.

I feel like the potential for explosive plays coupled with the dominant defense would be almost unbeatable in college football... but I also don't think any of those types of players would want to go play for a triple option style team. In the NFL, it clearly would never work because team speed on defense would be too good and it'd be unlikely to have a defense truly good enough to keep opponent's score down because of parity/the draft. Plus the risk of injury to your QB.

Can't be much more stacked than GT. Tons of 4th and 5th year starters for GT. Good scheme, not great. Will never win a NC

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Soo..I guess i'm still cornfused. It hasn't worked in the grand scheme of CFB..if it was proven to win NC's or get players in the NFL, everyone would sign up to play for the triple option. ND's "poor" defense did quite well.

It DID work in the grand scheme of college football. Back in the day everyone ran triple option/single wing/wing T. It did win championships. But times change, the game evolves, defenses adapt, etc. The triple option largely became ineffective at a certain point and offenses changed. Now there are only like 6 schools that run it and they have some success with it because of that fact.

If the NFL had teams running the triple option then players would be falling over themselves to play for Paul Johnson.

ND's defense played extremely well. I don't know who are quoting as saying they were "poor" put they've been quite good and today was a masterpiece for 59 minutes.


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[Kaneyoufeelit]

Can't be much more stacked than GT. Tons of 4th and 5th year starters for GT. Good scheme, not great. Will never win a NC

But Lax's point is they don't have elite talent. They have like 5 4* players on the roster. (Might be exaggerating)


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[Kaneyoufeelit]

BVG Answers The Bell

I've always been interested to see what would happen with a triple option attack if you had elite players on both sides of the ball.

For example, if you had Braxton Miller or Denard Robinson or Mike Vick at QB and a Dallas Cowboys OL with Todd Gurley/Leonard Fournette/etc. as a primary runner. And then on the other side of the ball, you have an Alabama defense of a couple years that refuses to give up more than 21 points in game

I get the point but I think that squad would be unstoppable even if they were running a will muschamp offense


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[loomis41973]

It DID work in the grand scheme of college football. Back in the day everyone ran triple option/single wing/wing T. It did win championships. But times change, the game evolves, defenses adapt, etc. The triple option largely became ineffective at a certain point and offenses changed. Now there are only like 6 schools that run it and they have some success with it because of that fact.

If the NFL had teams running the triple option then players would be falling over themselves to play for Paul Johnson.

ND's defense played extremely well. I don't know who are quoting as saying they were "poor" put they've been quite good and today was a masterpiece for 59 minutes.


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"back in the day" Does not work today....Point stands

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

"back in the day" Does not work today....Point stands

I know. That was entirely my point...


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[FDNYIrish1]

I'm old enough to remember some of the old Big 8 teams like Oklahoma and Nebraska running this in the 80's. They had some nasty teams, before the pro and spread attacks started taking over. It would be pretty cool to see what true elite talent would do with it, as it does seem more suited for the smaller, less athletic teams as a schematic advantage.

 

[kmoose]

Maybe i'm dense......

If the triple option was so hard to stop why isn't everyone running it??? Or at least major portions of it??

What was the last triple option team to win a National Championship?

1988?

 

[IrishLax]

Can't be much more stacked than GT. Tons of 4th and 5th year starters for GT. Good scheme, not great. Will never win a NC

.... you can be much more stacked than GT. Their OL is "meh" at best, certainly not Dallas Cowboys. Their QB is a dwarf with a noodle arm and mediocre athleticism. Their WRs suck. Their backs aren't NFL players.

So again, I really wonder what you could do if you got truly elite talent on both sides of the ball. Would it work in CFB? I'm fairly confident it wouldn't work in the NFL, for the reasons I said.

 

[loomis41973]

.... you can be much more stacked than GT. Their OL is "meh" at best, certainly not Dallas Cowboys. Their QB is a dwarf with a noodle arm and mediocre athleticism. Their WRs suck. Their backs aren't NFL players.

So again, I really wonder what you could do if you got truly elite talent on both sides of the ball. Would it work in CFB? I'm fairly confident it wouldn't work in the NFL, for the reasons I said.

The Cowboys play in the NFL. How much more stacked can you get than 16+ returning starters with 4 to 5 years?

Great and dominating win by ND. Never an easier game to cap in the past 8 years

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

BVG Answers The Bell

Can't be much more stacked than GT. Tons of 4th and 5th year starters for GT.. Good scheme, not great. Will never win a NC

The Cowboys play in the NFL. How much more stacked can you get than 16+ returning starters with 4 to 5 years?

Great and dominating win by ND. Never an easier game to cap in the past 8 years

How about Notre Dame, for one? GT is veteran and tough but they are far from stacked with talent relative to the rest of the top 25.


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[FDNYIrish1]

.... you can be much more stacked than GT. Their OL is "meh" at best, certainly not Dallas Cowboys. Their QB is a dwarf with a noodle arm and mediocre athleticism. Their WRs suck. Their backs aren't NFL players.

So again, I really wonder what you could do if you got truly elite talent on both sides of the ball. Would it work in CFB? I'm fairly confident it wouldn't work in the NFL, for the reasons I said.

I remember watching football with my dad and always asking as a kid, "why don't they do this in the pros?" His answer was always the guys were too big and fast and someone would get killed. I also remember a couple of times actually watching the pros try an option play as a change up and always getting blown up. Lol I know that's no help, but I do remember vividly always being intrigued by the successful option teams. Even though I hate it now.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We put the disguised coverages--the complicated blitzes--the entire NFL scheme on the shelf.

We let our players play college football ---we depended on speed, size, tackling, & discipline---not that much thinking lots of playing.

We have the athletes to play good defense , the question is are we getting the best out of our guys when we move to the more complex NFL scheme. Personally I would like to see more man to man defense , more simplicity and less clever disguises of our coverages and blitzes.

You can't shut down this option that everyone is afraid of with an NFL scheme or without really good players.

I hope BVG learns something from this , our pass coverages even at the end of this game, are often lacking.

Interesting to see if we simplify things.

I would love to see this happen more often. On both sides of the ball.

 

[TDHeysus]

Fantastic job by BVG and Elliott. Especially after all the hype about how much Paul Johnson hates BVG.

Elliot and BVG both did a great job...anyone not giving credit to BVG is a plain ol' hating troll.