Breaking: Boston Marathon Explosion

[irishpat183]

Where in that article, with all due respect, does it say that US forces arrested them?

Who knows?

And, Rhode, I'll take anything over MSNBC and CNN (who led with the arrest story).

 

[irishpat183]

Sorry Pat, This sounds like Islam baiting.

I think it is kind of ironic, because we are on a pretty clear path that this is a domestic thing. There is always a chance that some foreign group could be involved; but most of those foreign groups that would have loved to do this are not even operating with their own dicks in their hands do to the ATF, FBI, And Grahambo.

The bomb placement wasn't the way terrorists groups operate.

Hydrogen peroxide wasn't used for the bombs.

Jihadist groups are silent about the attack.

This isn't the kind of attack that would appeal to a jhadist group.

Nothing about the bomb sophistication sounds like a foreign inspiration, it appears way too sophisticated.

And what is your source? Just curious.

Seems you're an expert on the subject. Are you ex-military?

I'm not being a smart ***, BTW

 

[DSully1995]

And what is your source? Just curious.

Seems you're an expert on the subject. Are you ex-military?

I'm not being a smart ***, BTW

my phd prof said same thing, leaning toward right wing extremist

 

[Kak7304]

Sorry Pat, This sounds like Islam baiting.

I think it is kind of ironic, because we are on a pretty clear path that this is a domestic thing. There is always a chance that some foreign group could be involved; but most of those foreign groups that would have loved to do this are not even operating with their own dicks in their hands do to the ATF, FBI, And Grahambo.

The bomb placement wasn't the way terrorists groups operate.

Hydrogen peroxide wasn't used for the bombs.

Jihadist groups are silent about the attack.

This isn't the kind of attack that would appeal to a jhadist group.

Nothing about the bomb sophistication sounds like a foreign inspiration, it appears way too sophisticated.

Most terrorist groups like to take credit when they pull off an attack and while some supported the attack, none have claimed responsibility. Definitely seems to be domestic at this point.

 

[irishpat183]

my phd prof said same thing, leaning toward right wing extremist

Could be. Could be a left wing extremist like Bill Ayers, no?

I'm sure your Prof is familiar with him as well.

 

[irishpat183]

Bog- where are you getting all your info?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bog- where are you getting all your info?

Friends.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Friends.

 

[irishpat183]

Friends.

Ahhhh...then it's settled. You obviously have the edge over everyone else on inside info..lol.


Everyone knows an expert...

 

[Rhode Irish]

With all due respect, you should seriously reevaluate where you get your news. The idea that the US could arrest someone in Afghanistan, never mind Pakistan, as part of an investigation into this incident is absurd, and no real news organization would publish that quote with such an extreme lack of analysis.

On a completely unrelated note, the way the people of Boston have responded has made me even more proud to be wearing the flag on my right shoulder out here in Afghanistan.

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[irishpat183]

Check this out...while I think guys like Alex Jones are blowhard idiots, there are some compelling photos on here. At least raises some questions..

» Boston Bombing Culprits Identified? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[GreenSox04]

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Sports rule.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Ahhhh...then it's settled. You obviously have the edge over everyone else on inside info..lol.


Everyone knows an expert...

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Here is something interesting to read:
http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/157779_1.pdf

 

[irishpat183]

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http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/157779_1.pdf

Lol...bogs, you crack me up.

 

[RuntheBall]

One thing I think is safe to assume: It was more than a one person attack. I read that these pressure cooker bombs weigh as much as 30 lbs. It is unlikely for one person to carry both at a time while being able to navigate through the crowds. Also, they could not watch over both bags before the detonation. They would have had to place one bag, retrieve another from their "safe" spot, and then place it, before sending a signal to detonate both. It sounds to me like there were at least two people planting the bombs. (Maybe others have different views).
To me the attacks were obviously well planned and premeditated. But they were not as devastating as they could have been (Did anything malfunction as far as we know?). In particular, I haven't heard anything about the 2nd bomb (further from the finish line). All of the casualties I have heard about (and pictures) have been from the finish line, probably because more cameras/people were there. I am just curious because it doesn't seem like a professional attack- the perpetrators obviously knew what they were doing, but I don't think they are "full-time" terrorists. So, I am more inclined to think it was a domestic attack, but who knows. I'm dumb and may have (probably) misanalysed many things.

Also mods, if this is the wrong place; feel free to delete/ edit.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Check this out...while I think guys like Alex Jones are blowhard idiots, there are some compelling photos on here. At least raises some questions..

» Boston Bombing Culprits Identified? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

I've looked at those pictures previously. At first glance I thought it was really interesting.

Then I thought..."Hmm. I wonder if I had a bunch of similar pictures and drew red lines and little comments on the same people at different angles in different pictures, if it would look suspect to someone else."

Honestly, and maybe they are on to something, but it just looks like a bunch of pictures with lines drawn on them and they have backpacks on. I'm sure there is more to it, but it wasn't written in the articles.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lol...bogs, you crack me up.

So glad to be of service!

Did you read the article. Guess what the Spring of '79 was all about?

 

[NDPhilly]

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That was truly breathtaking. No words on the jumbotron or anything.

 

[BurningRiver]

One thing I think is safe to assume: It was more than a one person attack. I read that these pressure cooker bombs weigh as much as 30 lbs. It is unlikely for one person to carry both at a time while being able to navigate through the crowds. Also, they could not watch over both bags before the detonation. They would have had to place one bag, retrieve another from their "safe" spot, and then place it, before sending a signal to detonate both. It sounds to me like there were at least two people planting the bombs. (Maybe others have different views).
To me the attacks were obviously well planned and premeditated. But they were not as devastating as they could have been (Did anything malfunction as far as we know?). In particular, I haven't heard anything about the 2nd bomb (further from the finish line). All of the casualties I have heard about (and pictures) have been from the finish line, probably because more cameras/people were there. I am just curious because it doesn't seem like a professional attack- the perpetrators obviously knew what they were doing, but I don't think they are "full-time" terrorists. So, I am more inclined to think it was a domestic attack, but who knows. I'm dumb and may have (probably) misanalysed many things.

Also mods, if this is the wrong place; feel free to delete/ edit.

I can't stop watching your signature

 

[notredomer23]

I've looked at those pictures previously. At first glance I thought it was really interesting.

Then I thought..."Hmm. I wonder if I had a bunch of similar pictures and drew red lines and little comments on the same people at different angles in different pictures, if it would look suspect to someone else."

Honestly, and maybe they are on to something, but it just looks like a bunch of pictures with lines drawn on them and they have backpacks on. I'm sure there is more to it, but it wasn't written in the articles.

If you had a backback, your a suspect, according to those photos.

 

[RuntheBall]

I can't stop watching your signature

Ahhh, I forgot I had that up (I have sigs turned off).

 

[irishpat183]

I've looked at those pictures previously. At first glance I thought it was really interesting.

Then I thought..."Hmm. I wonder if I had a bunch of similar pictures and drew red lines and little comments on the same people at different angles in different pictures, if it would look suspect to someone else."

Honestly, and maybe they are on to something, but it just looks like a bunch of pictures with lines drawn on them and they have backpacks on. I'm sure there is more to it, but it wasn't written in the articles.

Of course, until proven otherwise, they're just picture with lines on them. But what makes these any less credible than something on Fox or CNN? I mean, some of the stuff they point out is compelling (like the guy looking the opposite direction as the rest of the crowd).

At this point, this is what I'm getting. Yeah, a buncha conspiracy wackos, but these photos at the very least are interesting.

 

[irishpat183]

If you had a backback, your a suspect, according to those photos.

Good one.

Being as it's the same 4 guys in all the photos.

 

[RuntheBall]

Of course, until proven otherwise, they're just picture with lines on them. But what makes these any less credible than something on Fox or CNN? I mean, some of the stuff they point out is compelling (like the guy looking the opposite direction as the rest of the crowd).

At this point, this is what I'm getting. Yeah, a buncha conspiracy wackos, but these photos at the very least are interesting.

A picture of a guy looking in the opposite direction in a picture means nothing. If you can show me he consistently was not watching the race/ was ignoring the race for extended periods of time maybe there is something. But one still frame with one guy not looking? Maybe a friend is walking over to him, maybe there is a hot female no one else is looking at, who knows, but for one frame it means nothing. (Also in some photos people they identify as "suspects" are watching the race...)

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Of course, until proven otherwise, they're just picture with lines on them. But what makes these any less credible than something on Fox or CNN? I mean, some of the stuff they point out is compelling (like the guy looking the opposite direction as the rest of the crowd).

At this point, this is what I'm getting. Yeah, a buncha conspiracy wackos, but these photos at the very least are interesting.

Oh for sure. I'm not comparing this to CNN or Fox. That wasn't even what I was getting at. I mean hell, this is worth more of a read for me than anything that the big news org's have put out. I'm just saying that as of now, they aren't really all that corroborating (except for that gif of the guy running away from the bomb, which was suspect to me).

I'm fine following the Boston Globe, Boston Police Department, and other SI guys on twitter. They have been putting out more than enough info. CNN and Fox have done nothing to provide substance to what has happened.

 

[irishpat183]

A picture of a guy looking in the opposite direction in a picture means nothing. If you can show me he consistently was not watching the race/ was ignoring the race for extended periods of time maybe there is something. But one still frame with one guy not looking? Maybe a friend is walking over to him, maybe there is a hot female no one else is looking at, who knows, but for one frame it means nothing. (Also in some photos people they identify as "suspects" are watching the race...)

Ok. Fair enough. But are ANY photos going to show someone consistently looking another direction?

Means nothing? So when authorities are looking at photos with seemingly out of place things and behavior, they should just brush it off because the guy may have had a friend or hot chick coming at him? I think they're looking at EVERYTHING at this point.

The only thing I'd say is that it could be security guys...other than that, it could be the guys that did it. I mean, what tells you it wasn't them?

 

[RuntheBall]

Ok. Fair enough. But are ANY photos going to show someone consistently looking another direction?

Means nothing? So when authorities are looking at photos with seemingly out of place things and behavior, they should just brush it off because the guy may have had a friend or hot chick coming at him? I think they're looking at EVERYTHING at this point.

The only thing I'd say is that it could be security guys...other than that, it could be the guys that did it. I mean, what tells you it wasn't them?

Nothing tells me it wasn't them; but I wouldn't label them as "suspects" purely based on where they are looking. That's all I'm saying. Not that the FBI shouldn't or couldn't use this to help them, just that, in and of itself, is almost useless besides the fact that it gives them someone else to look more closely in other photos/ videos.

I'm sure the FBI has much better video/ photos than have been released to us though. They have cell phone records, etc. To my understanding, it is easy to amplify cell phone calls and hear background noise (not sure if they can in a very noisy environment). Maybe the can overhear something, or better yet have the trigger signal recorded. To me the triggering of the bomb gives the most clues and the best chance to find the person.

 

[irishpat183]

^ I agree there. The cell records will be key.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I think we all need to all take a step back from hypothesizing about the attack. Precedent does not preclude the possibility of unforeseen (obviously) terror tactics. Asymmetric warfare (as terrorists view and practice it) is adaptive.

If the media has reinforced (by way of error) any theme of late, it's that getting all the right information is of paramount importance.

There's a lot of people that are really good at what they do working around the clock to give all of us the answers to our questions, but they will never come as fast as we want them.

Patience and prayers seems to be the best course of action.

Edit: I think the axiom, "don't make decisions when your angry" could easily be extended to, "don't make judgements when we don't know all the facts".

 

[BeauBenken]

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I cried a bit.

You don't have to love who runs this country, and you don't have to love all the other people in it, but we all love this nation because of what it stands for. God Bless America - Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave.