Boise State

[IrishLax]

Seems like they are going to be in the driver's seat to make the NC after today's events. I don't see any way the NC isn't Oregon + Boise or Boise + best SEC. There is no way OSU makes it back in the discussion over a one loss SEC team after that performance tonight.

It also appears the only teams that can keep them out right now are probably Oklahoma and Auburn... and maybe an LSU or Missouri or Michigan State if they were to go on a crazy run.

This bothers me for so many reasons... but mostly because had Boise State never beaten Oklahoma on that trick play they never would be given the pre-season credit they now get each year by default. The fact is they beat a crappy VT team that plays in a crappy ACC and a middling PAC10 team... and the rest of their schedule is basically FCS caliber. How does 2 mediocre wins and 10 joke games get you in the national championship discussion? They couldn't survive our first 6 games undefeated much less an SEC schedule and everyone knows it... yet mathematically they are in such a good position if the teams around them keep losing in the BCS formula.

I wonder if they win the NC if that will finally get a playoff in college football.

 

[jason_h537]

1. NO PLAYOFFF

2. i still see them being left out if oits between Boise and a 1 loss Bama, Oregon, or OSU

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

1. NO PLAYOFFF

2. i still see them being left out if oits between Boise and a 1 loss Bama, Oregon, or OSU

Are you against the playoff system or do you just believe that it will never happen?

 

[phork]

I said it before, I will say it again. I'd put that team on the field with anyone in the country. I realize its just SanJoseSt, but they are currently holding that team to under 100 total yards of offense.

They have more big games than just the Oklahoma game to stick under their hat. Beating a #17 Oregon team in Eugene. Crushing a #21 FresnoSt the same year (61-10). Crushing OregonSt and Utah in 2006 to go along with the Oklahoma bowl win. Beat Oregon last year, and beat TCU in the bowl game.

They are more than worthy imo. If they get blown out in the game then they drop out of relevance. However, if they hang in the game or even beat down the other team I am sure there will be plenty of excuses why.

 

[GreatGolson]

idk i mean honestly we still have a shot...ok who im kidding, see you at the Champs Sports Bowl everybody

 

[GoingGreen]

I guarentee Boise State will lose the National Championship game if they go (which they don't deserve to).

 

[jason_h537]

Are you against the playoff system or do you just believe that it will never happen?

against playoff system.

OSU and Bama losses mean nothing if both end up in the playoffs

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

against playoff system.

OSU and Bama losses mean nothing if both end up in the playoffs

Why would you be against a system that would pair up the best teams in the country and let them battle it out on the feild instead of leaving it up to the opinion of the so called "experts". I think that a bowl oriented playoff system would stop all of the debates about teams like TCU and BS. Win and you are the champion. How can that be a bad thing.

 

[jason_h537]

Why would you be against a system that would pair up the best teams in the country and let them battle it out on the feild instead of leaving it up to the opinion of the so called "experts". I think that a bowl oriented playoff system would stop all of the debates about teams like TCU and BS. Win and you are the champion. How can that be a bad thing.

Because the season is the playoff system, everuy game's matter. This isn't the NFL, its amateur athletics. Granted there are much better options than the BCS but i love watching college because EVERY game matters.

 

[Irish Man3]

Michigan State has a real shot at running the table. They are favored in the rest of their games with the exception of maybe Iowa. They don't play Ohio State.

Oregon has a long way to go and the Pac 10 is very hot and cold. IMO its to early to clear them into the National Championship.

I think Boise State will play whatever team wins the SEC west or Oregon if they stay undefeated. LSU and Auburn both have chances to run the table in the west.

If Boise wins out then they will be in the NC. Voters had them in the top 5 in the preseason for a reason. They want a change at the top from the traditionalists.

 

[Junkhead]

We haven't beaten a ranked team in 4 years. Boise has a handful of times in that time span.

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

Because the season is the playoff system, everuy game's matter. This isn't the NFL, its amateur athletics. Granted there are much better options than the BCS but i love watching college because EVERY game matters.

That is a fair arguement, but I have to disagree. The games still matter when there is a playoff. ****, every college sport has a playoff except D1 football. Plus, teams blow a game and the season is over. All I have to say is 1993 made me want a playoff system. This way the BEST team wins the NC.

 

[jason_h537]

That is a fair arguement, but I have to disagree. The games still matter when there is a playoff. ****, every college sport has a playoff except D1 football. Plus, teams blow a game and the season is over. All I have to say is 1993 made me want a playoff system. This way the BEST team wins the NC.

Ok but College Basketball has a regular season that no one cares about. College Baseball has a regular season that no one cares about. Very few people watch any other college sport. Yeah it sucks when your the team that gets left out in the ranking system but thats also the beauty of college football. Why would i care about OSU Wisconson if OSU will make the playoffs anyway? Or lets say MSU wins out and they go to the playoffs over OSU, OSU fans will be pissed because they didn't play each other this year. solution expand the playoffs. Now we have a watered down system like the NBA/ March Madness where everyone gets in

 

[IrishinSyria]

Because the season is the playoff system, everuy game's matter. This isn't the NFL, its amateur athletics. Granted there are much better options than the BCS but i love watching college because EVERY game matters.

If you convert the current BCS games into playoff games, not much changes. If you do anything more than that, then I agree with you that a playoff would be terrible.

AS for Boise, they are the real deal. I'm with phork on this one, every time I've watched that team play they look like a QUALITY football team. They crush mid-level and even good opponents. It's not their fault VT is down this year (down, but coming back up).

It seems to me like the only knock on Boise State is that they don't play a lot of teams that are traditionally very good.

Michigan State v Oregon is the only non-Boise NC game I could justify this year, unless Auburn goes undefeated in a very weak SEC.

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

Ok but College Basketball has a regular season that no one cares about. College Baseball has a regular season that no one cares about. Very few people watch any other college sport. Yeah it sucks when your the team that gets left out in the ranking system but thats also the beauty of college football. Why would i care about OSU Wisconson if OSU will make the playoffs anyway? Or lets say MSU wins out and they go to the playoffs over OSU, OSU fans will be pissed because they didn't play each other this year. solution expand the playoffs. Now we have a watered down system like the NBA/ March Madness where everyone gets in

Obviously you will never make everyone happy, but the top ten teams in the country are usually the best teams out there. Let them beat each other up in a playoff. I love college football for what it is also, and your arguement about the other sports is dead on, but it is hard for anyone to argue that their team got screwed with a playoff. There will not be many 2-3 loss teams in the top ten. I don't think it will ever happen, only due to MONEY. This is the ultimate college football arguement and we are obviously on different sides. Nice debate though. Reps to you.

 

[Rocket89]

Because the season is the playoff system, everuy game's matter. This isn't the NFL, its amateur athletics. Granted there are much better options than the BCS but i love watching college because EVERY game matters.

I have no doubt that a playoff would lessen the excitement for some games.

But, it would also add to some of the regular season games.

For example, Ohio State.

Right now, probably out of the national title picture barring some major collapses by other teams. But with a playoff system, you could make the argument that the Buckeyes remaining games are more important now because they would want to get into the final 8 tournament.

The same could be said for tons of teams right now: Stanford, FSU, Iowa....even Texas' remaining games would mean more right now.

Plus, a college football playoff would be the best sporting event in the history of sports sooo...

 

[edgesofsanity]

I think Boise State will play whatever team wins the SEC west or Oregon if they stay undefeated. LSU and Auburn both have chances to run the table in the west.

If Boise wins out then they will be in the NC. Voters had them in the top 5 in the preseason for a reason. They want a change at the top from the traditionalists.

I hope so. Personally, I'm just tired of all the whinging over BSU. Let them finish out their schedule and hopefully make the BCS championship. If they win, great - they belonged all along, and they (and perhaps the Mtn West) will be recognized as a legitimate rising power.

But if they lose and get stomped like I think they will, hopefully we'll all recognize them as another middle of the run pack who takes advantage of an easier schedule to get up for a few big games each year. And they'll sink back to middle rankings until there's a crazy BCS year with no undefeateds or they move into the Pac16. And maybe, finally, then we can cease with the BSU fellatio.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I guarentee Boise State will lose the National Championship game if they go (which they don't deserve to).

What team in the country would be guaranteed to beat Boise State right now? Michigan State? LSU???? I'll be putting my vBucks on Boise regardless of opponent, Bowl, or line. Every time people say they can't, they can. And until they lose, that's the bottom line.

 

[Rocket89]

What team in the country would be guaranteed to beat Boise State right now? Michigan State? LSU???? I'll be putting my vBucks on Boise regardless of opponent, Bowl, or line. Every time people say they can't, they can. And until they lose, that's the bottom line.

I agree, Boise State is the real deal right now. I think they could win it all. Even the best teams get tripped up once in a while and Boise keeps CRUSHING teams.

 

[jason_h537]

What team in the country would be guaranteed to beat Boise State right now? Michigan State? LSU???? I'll be putting my vBucks on Boise regardless of opponent, Bowl, or line. Every time people say they can't, they can. And until they lose, that's the bottom line.

Boise St is a great team and what bothers me is the lack of respect they get. I do find it hard to think they deserve to be in the NC game if lets say you have an undefatead Oregon and a 1 loss reigning NC Alabama. They deserve a shot of course, but they need help. I would take them over LSU or MSU but i still think against the very elite they would be beat

 

[GoingGreen]

What team in the country would be guaranteed to beat Boise State right now? Michigan State? LSU???? I'll be putting my vBucks on Boise regardless of opponent, Bowl, or line. Every time people say they can't, they can. And until they lose, that's the bottom line.

I don't think it'd be guaranteed, but I would take the following teams over Boise:

Ohio State, Oregon, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Auburn, Alabama, LSU (would eek out a win somehow), South Carolina, Utah, Arkansas, Michigan State, Stanford, Iowa, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Missouri.

 

[GoingGreen]

I agree, Boise State is the real deal right now. I think they could win it all. Even the best teams get tripped up once in a while and Boise keeps CRUSHING teams.

That's becuase the best teams play SEC, Big Ten and Pac-10 schedules. Boise State gets to play New Mexico State, Utah State, LA Tech, Idaho, San Jose State, etc.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The 2-4 1-AA McNeese State Cowboys played LSU very close for 3 quarters today. The SEC is overrated beyond belief and it is clearly a down year for the conference.

 

[GoingGreen]

The 2-4 1-AA McNeese State Cowboys played LSU very close for 3 quarters today. The SEC is overrated beyond belief and it is clearly a down year for the conference.

Yet it is a conference that Boise State would struggle to win 9 games in.

 

[Rocket89]

I don't think it'd be guaranteed, but I would take the following teams over Boise:

Ohio State, Oregon, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Auburn, Alabama, LSU (would eek out a win somehow), South Carolina, Utah, Arkansas, Michigan State, Stanford, Iowa, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Missouri.

I'd have Boise favored against all but maybe four of those teams.

Arizona?? Missouri??

 

[Junkhead]

Yet it is a conference that Boise State would struggle to win 9 games in.

I hate the SEC, but any team winning 9 there is pretty good. Maybe Boise is that good, maybe they are not, either way, we won't be seeing them on the field, we have bigger worries.

 

[military_irish]

Yet it is a conference that Boise State would struggle to win 9 games in.

That's exaggerated, the only teams that would give Boise St. a problem would be Auburn and maybe Alabama. LSU is pretty lucky, so I would have to give them a chance.

As the SEC is extremely overrated, Boise is extremely underrated.

I would put my money on them to beat anyone in this country.

Just because they never dissappoint, Hawaii went to a BCS and got blown away, Boise plays BCS competition every year and wins.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yet it is a conference that Boise State would struggle to win 9 games in.

Maybe? I think they'd be the favorites in the SEC east and would have a shot to win the SEC west.

I also think they'd compete with Oregon in the Pac 10, MSU in the Big Ten and would be the easy favorites in any other conference.

Finally, let's be careful about the "they'd be lucky to win 9 in the SEC" argument. If Kelly gets these Irish in the position where they're in the NC discussion, people will be saying those very same words. Won't matter if we roll Michigan and Miami, the SEC attack will be leveled relentlessly. It happens every year, and you'd better believe ND will be the #1 target for that logic.

 

[jason_h537]

I don't think it'd be guaranteed, but I would take the following teams over Boise:

Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama, Stanford.

Fixed it for you

 

[GoingGreen]

I'd have Boise favored against all but maybe four of those teams.

Arizona?? Missouri??

Yeah, they would both beat them. Hey, Missouri's undefeated lets give them a total BS spot in the NC Game! Turns out they've played a better schedule than Boise so I don't see why not!