Blue and Gold Game 2018

[kenthehobo]

I've been slaving away moving all day. No one got hurt? Sounds like Wimbush looked good?

Daelin left with a stinger but don't think it's serious. I thought Wimbush looked a lot better than last spring game

 

[Luckylucci]

Daelin left with a stinger but don't think it's serious. I thought Wimbush looked a lot better than last spring game

I’ll back this. It’s a spring game so he can’t be sacked or run. Which is huge. But delivered the ball much better today.

 

[calvegas04]

I've been slaving away moving all day. No one got hurt? Sounds like Wimbush looked good?

Book looked good

 

[Luckylucci]

Book looked good

This is an agenda clearly. Nobody thought he looked better than Wimbush.

 

[Irish YJ]

Overall it was as expected except for a few things. My untrained and poor eyesight saw the following.....

QB play is improved but still hard to grade when they are wearing red. Wimbush looked more comfortable but still a few head scratchers. Book threw some good balls but also held on a bit too long a few plays.

WR/TE was better than I expected. Loved seeing Claypool and Boykin fighting for the balls. Young is going to be good. Mack looked improved and our young TEs are big boys and capapble.

OL was a mixed bag. Saw some great stuff, but also saw them shit the bed during a few of Book's series. We'll be fine as the group gels I think.

DL looked pretty decent. Loving Tillery at DT. Pretty vanilla but happy to see some pressure/sacks from the guys.

LB - Tranquill looking the part. Impressed with Bauer. Bilal did a decent job. Did Coney play?

DBs - Liked what I saw overall. Had a lot of PBUs, but not sure how many were good DB plays, and how many were poor passes. Will likely watch the game again sometime this week. Gilman looked tough. Watkins looked great except for a few plays. Pride and Vaughn looked good. Saw Griffith a few times and he looked strong in limited snaps (not sure how many he got).

Anyone have the full stat list?

 

[Luckylucci]

Keep in mind, Book was playing with the second unit OL

 

[Irish YJ]

This is an agenda clearly. Nobody thought he looked better than Wimbush.

I think Book looked AS GOOD as Wimbush. Book's throws, IMO, looked prettier or smoother. But I don't really care about pretty. Book took 5+ sacks. How does the OL/QB pairings work. Did the same OL play for both QBs? If Both QBs had the same OL and WRs/TEs, I think they looked even (close to the same yards, %, etc..). Wimbush had one more TDs, but also an INT. Book took 5+ sacks and I don't remember Wimbush getting more than one. If Book had second string, or more second string, I'd have to give him the nod. It did seem like like the OL held better for BW.

Would love to see the QBR.

 

[Irish YJ]

Keep in mind, Book was playing with the second unit OL

That answers my Q. If that is the case, I have to give the nod to Book. Did he have second unit WRs/TEs too? Did he get second string D too? Thought I saw first string D sacking Book??

 

[Irish YJ]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nd/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2017-18/misc_non_event/18Blue-GoldStats.pdf

game stats from und

 

[Luckylucci]

I think Book looked AS GOOD as Wimbush. Book's throws, IMO, looked prettier or smoother. But I don't really care about pretty. Book took 5+ sacks. How does the OL/QB pairings work. Did the same OL play for both QBs? If Both QBs had the same OL and WRs/TEs, I think they looked even (close to the same yards, %, etc..). Wimbush had one more TDs, but also an INT. Book took 5+ sacks and I don't remember Wimbush getting more than one. If Book had second string, or more second string, I'd have to give him the nod. It did seem like like the OL held better for BW.

Would love to see the QBR.

I’m not going to sit here and say I definitively feel one way or another. I truly think Book can be a game winner. However, when I watched the game, Wimbush made throws that Book can’t, and he has the use of his legs that he couldn’t today.

Wimbush had some very impressive throws today. Where I think Book had a lot of good throws. But nothing where i thought, those are rare throws. Compared to Wimbush’s

 

[Irish YJ]

I’m not going to sit here and say I definitively feel one way or another. I truly think Book can be a game winner. However, when I watched the game, Wimbush made throws that Book can’t, and he has the use of his legs that he couldn’t today.

Wimbush had some very impressive throws today. Where I think Book had a lot of good throws. But nothing where i thought, those are rare throws. Compared to Wimbush’s

To me, Wimbush has better arm strength and wheels.... but Book has better form and throws a smoother ball. He just makes it look easier to me. I'm going to watch the game again, but the balls you might be calling rare, might be the same throws I thought were lucky.

I still think BW has more overall tools to help us win in most circumstances, but the LSU game has not faded from my mind at all. I just don't think there is a huge gap between them now. If the same holds true, I wonder how long/short BK's hook will be if BW isn't looking good.

 

[IrishBoognish]

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[woolybug25]

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but what impressed me as well was the shape they were all in already. Tranquil looks like he’s 250 pounds of brick shithouse. All the TE’s are mountains of men, and all the skill players looked fast.

My biggest worry was the lack of WR’s, but after watching this game, I think we have two very good options with Claypool and Boykin. Not to mention a deep roster of talented guys behind them as well. I try not to take too much from a spring game, but I was pleased by the performance. We certainly look like a team that could be very good. Fingers crossed.

 

[tko]

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but what impressed me as well was the shape they were all in already. Tranquil looks like he’s 250 pounds of brick shithouse. All the TE’s are mountains of men, and all the skill players looked fast.

My biggest worry was the lack of WR’s, but after watching this game, I think we have two very good options with Claypool and Boykin. Not to mention a deep roster of talented guys behind them as well. I try not to take too much from a spring game, but I was pleased by the performance. We certainly look like a team that could be very good. Fingers crossed.

Guy needs a neck roll to complete the package, my Lord.

 

[calvegas04]

To me, Wimbush has better arm strength and wheels.... but Book has better form and throws a smoother ball. He just makes it look easier to me. I'm going to watch the game again, but the balls you might be calling rare, might be the same throws I thought were lucky.

I still think BW has more overall tools to help us win in most circumstances, but the LSU game has not faded from my mind at all. I just don't think there is a huge gap between them now. If the same holds true, I wonder how long/short BK's hook will be if BW isn't looking good.

Do you think Book would have won the game vs georgia? They stopped our running all game and all we could do is pass.

 

[NDIrish88]

So was anyone else concerned how book and wimbush had so many passing yards? Our DBs looked out matched against the passing attack

 

[snoopdog]

So was anyone else concerned how book and wimbush had so many passing yards? Our DBs looked out matched against the passing attack

It was offence against defence all game.

The offence threw 65 times. That many yards is expected.

Roughly 60% completions show that the dbs were solid

 

[Irish YJ]

Do you think Book would have won the game vs georgia? They stopped our running all game and all we could do is pass.

BW's legs didn't gain anything either (16 carries, for 1 yard), so perhaps Book might have given us a better chance. BW didn't have any INTs but he did fumble 3 times. Could Book have had the same production (50%, ~200 yrds), and less turnovers?

If so, it might have been enough to win the game. That fumble in UGA territory late in the 3rd likely negated at least 3pts for the Irish (had a great drive going). At the same time, UGA was close to FG range as they ran the clock out up by 1 in the 4th (they were in ND territory because of another BW fumble).

It was a tight game through 4Qs,..... but who knows.

 

[Irish YJ]

So was anyone else concerned how book and wimbush had so many passing yards? Our DBs looked out matched against the passing attack

cut the yardage in half for the real picture, add a sprinkle of vanilla D, and a dash of 50/50 balls the WRs came down with, and the DBs aren't so bad. Several PBUs

 

[dshans]

So, did we win?

The pundits are still in back-and-forth mode.

Check back in December.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but what impressed me as well was the shape they were all in already. Tranquil looks like he’s 250 pounds of brick shithouse. All the TE’s are mountains of men, and all the skill players looked fast.

My biggest worry was the lack of WR’s, but after watching this game, I think we have two very good options with Claypool and Boykin. Not to mention a deep roster of talented guys behind them as well. I try not to take too much from a spring game, but I was pleased by the performance. We certainly look like a team that could be very good. Fingers crossed.

Finke has time to get it together. He could be the 'forgotten' guy sneaking crossing routes under the radar of the defense. I thought he played very well today except for the one drop/mishandle.

 

[Luckylucci]

Book also was very subpar against a bad UNC defense. 17-31 2 INT’s and 1 TD.

 

[Luckylucci]

So we have game experience for both. Statically Book was no that much better from a comp %. So if we give up the big play making for marginally better comp %, is that worth it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Book also was very subpar against a bad UNC defense. 17-31 2 INT’s and 1 TD.

Agree, but it was his first game ever.

So we have game experience for both. Statically Book was no that much better from a comp %. So if we give up the big play making for marginally better comp %, is that worth it.

Book was ~12% higher on completions last year. Small sample size, but still that's a decent difference. What is not in doubt, is that BW is far superior running.

I wish BW was a more polished passer, but it is what it is. I hope he takes the next step this year. I really do as I think his potential is off the charts if he can mature. If he doesn't, I'm delighted we have Book to come in if needed.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have no doubt that entire year of book with have a larger comp%. But you have to take into acccount the running ability of Wimbush. Book had 4tds and 4 INTS, last season. Would that improve, no doubt. But enough to make up for the rushing tds of Wimbush. I don’t think so.

Doesn’t sound like it’s even that close.

 

[Luckylucci]

We agree that we just want the best QB to kick UM’s butt

 

[Irish YJ]

I have no doubt that entire year of book with have a larger comp%. But you have to take into acccount the running ability of Wimbush. Book had 4tds and 4 INTS, last season. Would that improve, no doubt. But enough to make up for the rushing tds of Wimbush. I don’t think so.

Doesn’t sound like it’s even that close.

I think IF Book could toss it like he did vs LSU and continue to improve, he could make up for some of the running by BW, but not all of the pure production. Without a larger sample size, the last thing (LSU) is what's on my mind.

We agree that we just want the best QB to kick UM’s butt

Absolutely. Believe me, I want BW to be that guy. I've been a BW homer since he committed. I just want him to step up the passing side of his game. If he can do that, we have a top 5 team if our D is what we think it might be.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, if he’s a 60% guy and Book is a 65% guy. Who you take?

I take Wimbush, IF he can get that. And that is the conversation being had. If he can get to 60%, Wimbush would’ve been insane last year

Which to me, I give him all opportunities to do so.

 

[snoopdog]

So, if he’s a 60% guy and Book is a 65% guy. Who you take?

I take Wimbush, IF he can get that. And that is the conversation being had. If he can get to 60%, Wimbush would’ve been insane last year

Which to me, I give him all opportunities to do so.

Well..... I would take a consistent 65% with Book, over a wildly inconsistent 60% with BW

BW was great to start the season last year, but fell to sub 50% over the last 4 games.

But a consistent 60% BW is a lock to start.

 

[Irish YJ]

So, if he’s a 60% guy and Book is a 65% guy. Who you take?

I take Wimbush, IF he can get that. And that is the conversation being had. If he can get to 60%, Wimbush would’ve been insane last year

Which to me, I give him all opportunities to do so.

I'd take BW in a heart beat at 60% assuming he's not an INT or fumble machine.

In 2017 I know he was 16 passing TDs vs 6 INTs, and 14 rushing TDs but not sure how many fumbles he had (do ya know?). Took 25 sacks.

I'd love to see him in the 25-30 passing TD range (which is where most of the top 30 QBs are. If he could get there, I'd be OK with losing some rushing TDs.