Biden Presidency

[sixstar]

I believe that the GOP has become increasingly fascist

Isn't odd how only Democrats call the GOP fascist? Why don't you ever hear independents say that?

Oh, right, because it's a baseless party line claim made in bad faith as an attempt to discredit the GOP and portray Democrats as the beacon of freedom.

And the sad thing is that the news and left media has actually programmed Democrats citizens to believe it. Democrats will cry that GOP tried to ruin our democracy with Jan 6 while ignoring election interference and justifying burning cities and defacing monuments. They will say that GOP favors elites while sucking on the teets of Clinton cronyism and big tech. They'll justify government level removal of human rights over vaccines without ever evaluating the data that showed from the outset the the vaccines would never stop transmission. They will silence opposition rather than engage in merit based debate. They willingly yield personal freedoms to big government and ignore the corruption throughout DC. Yet they will ignore all this because they actually believe calling a GOP fascist is a valid argument.

Here's a truth: the GOP isn't fascist or racist, and Democratic leaders and media just tell you that as a way to try to discredit them. And if you continue to actually believe that GOP aligns with fascism, then you are choosing to live in a fantasy land with fake villains so you can feel like a hero aligned with the party that tells you they are the beacons of humanity.

Just some general advice for people on both sides of the fence: maybe see if independents share your views before believing these accusations are anything more than political propaganda.

 

[GoIrish41]

Isn't odd how only Democrats call the GOP fascist? Why don't you ever hear independents say that?

Oh, right, because it's a baseless party line claim made in bad faith as an attempt to discredit the GOP and portray Democrats as the beacon of freedom.

And the sad thing is that the news and left media has actually programmed Democrats citizens to believe it. Democrats will cry that GOP tried to ruin our democracy with Jan 6 while ignoring election interference and justifying burning cities and defacing monuments. They will say that GOP favors elites while sucking on the teets of Clinton cronyism and big tech. They'll justify government level removal of human rights over vaccines without ever evaluating the data that showed from the outset the the vaccines would never stop transmission. They will silence opposition rather than engage in merit based debate. They willingly yield personal freedoms to big government and ignore the corruption throughout DC. Yet they will ignore all this because they actually believe calling a GOP fascist is a valid argument.

Here's a truth: the GOP isn't fascist or racist, and Democratic leaders and media just tell you that as a way to try to discredit them. And if you continue to actually believe that GOP aligns with fascism, then you are choosing to live in a fantasy land with fake villains so you can feel like a hero aligned with the party that tells you they are the beacons of humanity.

Just some general advice for people on both sides of the fence: maybe see if independents share your views before believing these accusations are anything more than political propaganda.

It is odd, especially since it’s not true. All us libtards like Liz Chaney, Adam Kinzinger, former GOP mouthpieces like Bill Krystal, the entirety of the Lincoln Project, Bernie Sanders (I), former RNC Chairman Michael Steele, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, about half of all his own staffers who testified to the Jan 6 committee, … should I keep going to drive the point home about how ridiculous your argument is or will those suffice?

 

[sixstar]

Did you just use politicians attempting to distance themselves from Trump so they can get reelected as an argument?

Yeah, I thought that's what you did.

Take the red pill and realize that politicians only care about themselves. Acknowledging this truth will help you see that 90% of politicians manufacture their stances to get them reelected. Ooh, Trump and fascism, so hot right now.

Go talk to independent citizens. Stop believing everything you see on the news and on the hill.

 

[GoIrish41]

Did you just use politicians attempting to distance themselves from Trump so they can get reelected as an argument?

Yeah, I thought that's what you did.

Take the red pill and realize that politicians only care about themselves. Acknowledging this truth will help you see that 90% of politicians manufacture their stances to get them reelected. Ooh, Trump and fascism, so hot right now.

Go talk to independent citizens. Stop believing everything you see on the news and on the hill.

Yeah. That’s why I chose Liz Cheney — because it was just a stunt to get re-elected. Get a clue. Adam Kinzinger didn’t run. Bernie Sanders is an independent. Nobody in the Lincoln Project was running for office, Larry Hogan just completed his second term as Governor in Maryland and cannot run for a third term. Nobody who testefied ran for office (because they refused to comply with a congressional investigation). You are not only wrong in general you are wrong specifically. Don’t be a dipshit. Stop believing nothing you hear because you refuse to listen.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Stay classy.

Don't forget tolerant!

 

[sixstar]

Yeah. That’s why I chose Liz Cheney — because it was just a stunt to get re-elected. Get a clue. Adam Kinzinger didn’t run. Bernie Sanders is an independent. Nobody in the Lincoln Project was running for office, Larry Hogan just completed his second term as Governor in Maryland and cannot run for a third term. Nobody who testefied ran for office (because they refused to comply with a congressional investigation). You are not only wrong in general you are wrong specifically. Don’t be a dipshit. Stop believing nothing you hear because you refuse to listen.

Liz Cheney just wanted to get elected since she wasn't already in an elected position, but sure, feel free to nitpick semantics. Point still stands, doesn't it?

Kinzinger is anti-Trump. He hasn't called the GOP fascist. Stop conflating the two.

Bernie Sanders is a self-professed democratic socialist who ran on a Democratic ticket. He's not an independent.

Lincoln Project, lol: During the 2020 presidential election, Lincoln Project aimed to prevent the re-election of Donald Trump and defeat all Republicans in close races running for re-election in the United States Senate - their words, not mine. How can an organization claim independence if they fully attempt to prevent Republican Senators without exception?

Larry Hogan is anti-Trump; he doesn't call GOP is fascist. He said this a few months ago:

“It’s that kind of divisive rhetoric on both sides that’s really bad for America. I’ve been talking about the toxic politics and if Republicans are calling Democrats socialists and communists and we have the president of the United States calling Republicans fascist, I don’t think it adds to the overall discussion,” he said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

You obviously hate Trump. Fine - that's your choice. I don't want him as President either.

But you conflate Trump with GOP, and your mental gymnastics to constantly combine the two are willfully disingenuous.

 

[Irish#1]

GOP is no closer to being Facists, than the Dems are Communists.

 

[GoIrish41]

Liz Cheney just wanted to get elected since she wasn't already in an elected position, but sure, feel free to nitpick semantics. Point still stands, doesn't it?

Kinzinger is anti-Trump. He hasn't called the GOP fascist. Stop conflating the two.

Bernie Sanders is a self-professed democratic socialist who ran on a Democratic ticket. He's not an independent.

Lincoln Project, lol: During the 2020 presidential election, Lincoln Project aimed to prevent the re-election of Donald Trump and defeat all Republicans in close races running for re-election in the United States Senate - their words, not mine. How can an organization claim independence if they fully attempt to prevent Republican Senators without exception?

Larry Hogan is anti-Trump; he doesn't call GOP is fascist. He said this a few months ago:


You obviously hate Trump. Fine - that's your choice. I don't want him as President either.

But you conflate Trump with GOP, and your mental gymnastics to constantly combine the two are willfully disingenuous.

No. The point does not still stand. How on earth could it? Nothing you said is accurate. Nobody I mentioned was running for office except Liz so they didn’t try to separate from Trump to get elected as you said. Liz certainly didn’t. She sacrificed her political career to ensure Trump was brought to justice. That Larry Hogan is anti-Trump doesn’t help make your point that his actions were only to get re-elected. There is no mental gymnastics from me. I’m standing still watching you try to make a point while you are twisting yourself into a pretzel to try to maintain your original point, which was just plain wrong. The GOP IS Trump along with all those who didn’t have the integrity to call him out on his bullshit lie that he won the election and supported the use of force to bring it about. According to Quinnapiac, a majority of Americans (55 percent) think Donald Trump has had a mainly negative impact on the Republican Party, while 37 percent think he has had a mainly positive impact. Republicans 70 - 24 percent think Trump has had a mainly positive impact on their party.

Here’s Webster’s definition of fascism … philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. That sounds very much like the GOP these past 6 years. And, he’s the leading candidate for the party to win the nomination in 24.

So, you’ll have to tell me what I’m missing about the Republican Party — like even pretending to have an agenda is too much trouble. Just fear monger and incite hatred. Hallmarks of fascism.

 

[GoIrish41]

GOP is no closer to being Facists, than the Dems are Communists.

Yeah. It couldn’t be more obvious if the Oath Keepers and and Proud Boys (who were in direct contact with Trump’s co-conspirators) wore brown on their big day instead of carrying the flags of the loser confederacy and wearing Auchwiyz sweats as they called every black cop who they encountered a nigger before attacking them. Then looking to “hang Mike Pence” and “put a bullet in Nancy’s head”. That’s saying nothing about the going to her house to crack her husband over the head with a hammer. None of that is fascist? Get a grip.

 

[GoIrish41]

It was an analogy, one which you still failed to grasp. It was alluding to the value of the persons being traded.

I wonder what you'd say if Trump sent a convicted arms dealer back to RUSSIA for a basketball player. Ya know, all that Trump/ Russia collusion stuff haha.

A stranger's opinion of me carries no weight whatsoever.

Sometimes no deal is better than freeing Dr. Death. Biden got punked here, and Putin is laughing. And if you got arrested for bringing drugs into Russia, I wouldn't trade you for Dr. Death lol. Sorry not sorry. You made your own bed there, as did Griner.

It was a shitty analogy.

 

[TorontoGold]

GOP is no closer to being Facists, than the Dems are Communists.

The Facists (or white nationalists) loved the GOP the past 6 or so years, Communists wouldn't be caught dead supporting the Dems. Dems are traditionally much further Right than most "Liberal" parties. Hell, progressives barely support the Dems.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah. It couldn’t be more obvious if the Oath Keepers and and Proud Boys (who were in direct contact with Trump’s co-conspirators) wore brown on their big day instead of carrying the flags of the loser confederacy and wearing Auchwiyz sweats as they called every black cop who they encountered a nigger before attacking them. Then looking to “hang Mike Pence” and “put a bullet in Nancy’s head”. That’s saying nothing about the going to her house to crack her husband over the head with a hammer. None of that is fascist? Get a grip.

If you really think the majority that identify as Republicans agree with the actions of the Proud Boys then come take a look at this bridge I have.

 

[Irish#1]

The Facists (or white nationalists) loved the GOP the past 6 or so years, Communists wouldn't be caught dead supporting the Dems. Dems are traditionally much further Right than most "Liberal" parties. Hell, progressives barely support the Dems.

Just because the Facists loved the GOP doesn’t mean the GOP loves them. Dems keep taking step’s further left every day. Guess where that leads?

 

[GoIrish41]

If you really think the majority that identify as Republicans agree with the actions of the Proud Boys then come take a look at this bridge I have.

They believe the guy who sent them to the Capitol was positive for their party. A coup isn’t a show stopper for them. I don’t know what to tell ya, bro. Supporting the guy who planned a coup means they are cool with what he did. It is impossible for me to believe you don’t get that.

 

[GoIrish41]

Just because the Facists loved the GOP doesn’t mean the GOP loves them. Dems keep taking step’s further left every day. Guess where that leads?

Yes it does because they are so void of character that they refuse to openly condemn them for fear they’ll lose their seats (which they would have if they dare cross Trump, the biggest fascist of them all). That’s why a barely sentient lump of scrapple got 48 percent of the vote in Georgia. They need the votes! The GOP wouldn’t have even won the house without giving these traitors a pass because they all obviously put party over country. Power is far more important than character in that shit party.

 

[TorontoGold]

Just because the Facists loved the GOP doesn’t mean the GOP loves them. Dems keep taking step’s further left every day. Guess where that leads?

If the facists believe you align with them it doesn't matter what I say, the most knowledgeable people on current day fascism are actual facists. The Dems couldn't even push any substantial progressive policy when they controlled all three chambers, they are beholden to many of the same corporate overlords that the GOP is. FFS Kamala Harris is a former DA who locked up pot smokers, but yes Dems are inching closer to communism lmao, and crime bill Joe is Stalin incarnate.

 

[GoIrish41]

Just because the Facists loved the GOP doesn’t mean the GOP loves them. Dems keep taking step’s further left every day. Guess where that leads?

Winning more elections?

 

[Irish#1]

They believe the guy who sent them to the Capitol was positive for their party. A coup isn’t a show stopper for them. I don’t know what to tell ya, bro. Supporting the guy who planned a coup means they are cool with what he did. It is impossible for me to believe you don’t get that.

Go back and read what I wrote. No where did I say the Proud Boys didn’t like Trump or didn’t associate with him. Here’s what I wrote
Irish#1 said:
If you really think the majority that identify as Republicans agree with the actions of the Proud Boys then come take a look at this bridge I have.

Let me say it more plainly. The majority of Republicans don’t associate with the Proud Boys or the action of January 6. If you believe the majority do agree with the Proud Boys then it’s obvious you have a very narrow view of things.

 

[Irish#1]

If the facists believe you align with them it doesn't matter what I say, the most knowledgeable people on current day fascism are actual facists. The Dems couldn't even push any substantial progressive policy when they controlled all three chambers, they are beholden to many of the same corporate overlords that the GOP is. FFS Kamala Harris is a former DA who locked up pot smokers, but yes Dems are inching closer to communism lmao, and crime bill Joe is Stalin incarnate.

Republicans are Facists. Got it. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Irish#1]

Winning more elections?

I don’t know. Looks like this last was one split.

 

[TorontoGold]

Republicans are Facists. Got it. Thanks for clarifying that.

Where did I say that? Re-read my post.

 

[GoIrish41]

Go back and read what I wrote. No where did I say the Proud Boys didn’t like Trump or didn’t associate with him. Here’s what I wrote
Irish#1 said:
If you really think the majority that identify as Republicans agree with the actions of the Proud Boys then come take a look at this bridge I have.

Let me say it more plainly. The majority of Republicans don’t associate with the Proud Boys or the action of January 6. If you believe the majority do agree with the Proud Boys then it’s obvious you have a very narrow view of things.

I believed the majority of Republicans are highly likely to re-nominate the guy who send the proud boy’s to execute a coup — thereby suggesting that they do, at least by extension. “associate with Proud boys and support the actions of January 6.” If a coup isn’t show-stopper, then that looks a lot like support to me, especially when over 70% of the party say Trump had a positive affect in the party.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don’t know. Looks like this last was one split.

Sure. My hair is still wet from that promised red wave that, let’s face it, should have come as the current administration was dealing with inflation as the mid-terms approached. I don’t think there is anyone who doesn’t believe that the GOP didn’t seriously shit the bed in 22.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

It was a shitty analogy.

Because you can't understand the wide gap in trade value between a basketball player and a convicted arms dealer?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

They believe the guy who sent them to the Capitol was positive for their party. A coup isn’t a show stopper for them. I don’t know what to tell ya, bro. Supporting the guy who planned a coup means they are cool with what he did. It is impossible for me to believe you don’t get that.

Can you follow along here? 80 million people voted for Trump. A few hundred stormed the capitol. They were arrested and charged as they should have been. None of these people have or will run for public office, and your original point was that the GOP has fascist candidates. lol talk about getting a grip.

On the real fascism side:

Who took the lockdowns to the extreme? The left.

Who looted and burned shit down in the streets? The left.

Who told us the "vaccines" would prevent you from getting Covid? The left.

Who tried to MANDATE taking the vaccine? The left.

Who colluded with big tech to censor conservatives? The left.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Can you follow along here? 80 million people voted for Trump. A few hundred stormed the capitol. They were arrested and charged as they should have been. None of these people have or will run for public office, and your original point was that the GOP has fascist candidates. lol talk about getting a grip.

On the real fascism side:

Who took the lockdowns to the extreme? The left.

Who looted and burned shit down in the streets? The left.

Who told us the "vaccines" would prevent you from getting Covid? The left.

Who tried to MANDATE taking the vaccine? The left.

Who colluded with big tech to censor conservatives? The left.

The vast majority of those who scream "FASCISTS!" at everyone they disagree with or are losing an argument to have no actual idea what fascism really is. It's just the cool buzzword they heard on MSNBC or CNN or on social media, or a shortcut to dismissing something they can't refute with ideas.

 

[GoIrish41]

Can you follow along here? 80 million people voted for Trump. A few hundred stormed the capitol. They were arrested and charged as they should have been. None of these people have or will run for public office, and your original point was that the GOP has fascist candidates. lol talk about getting a grip.

On the real fascism side:

Who took the lockdowns to the extreme? The left.

Who looted and burned shit down in the streets? The left.

Who told us the "vaccines" would prevent you from getting Covid? The left.

Who tried to MANDATE taking the vaccine? The left.

Who colluded with big tech to censor conservatives? The left.

Let’s use your logic ….

Who tried to make stupid stance on liberty because their cult leader let his big mouth put him in a political bind? The right, and million people died because dumbasses on the right refused to follow national public health policy.

Who murdered people in a grocery store and a church because they were black? Or Jews in synagogue because they were Jewish. The right.

Who took children from their parents and out them in internment camps? The right.

Who has worked tirelessly to undermine the media as fake news as a catch-all for believing any lie, no matter how fucking ridiculous and nonsensical? The right.

Who advocated Christian nationalism despite the constitutional separation of church and state. The right.

Who planned a coup from the highest office in our government to overturn the results of a legitimate election? The right.

Who has lost the popular vote for the presidency 5 out of six times and still whines like entitled bitches when they don’t “win@ the electoral college. The right.

Whose elected leaders have advocated violence and pissed their pants every time a suggestion is made that it’s outrageous that there are more guns than people in this country. The right.

Who turned into fan boys when a teen derelict shot people in the street during a peaceful protest? The right.

Who coddled dictators and stole secret documents. The right.

Who is the biggest hypocrite on IE? Leppy and his band of fascist apologists on the right.

Everything Trump got away with was because the right was too fucking cowardly and obtuse to hold him in check, and now you are stuck with a party riddled with the cancer of fascism. If 70% of your party believes Trump was good for the party, 70% of your party supports a fascist … by any definition. 70% of 80 million voters is 56 million fascists.

The party is who their leader is. Your party’s leader is a fucking fascist. And if you support him or that party I’m gonna go ahead and lump you all together like you do the left … so eat a bag of dicks you fascist piece of shit.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Someone needs to take a break.

 

[GoIrish41]

Because you can't understand the wide gap in trade value between a basketball player and a convicted arms dealer?

And you can’t understand that there isn’t supposed to be a wide gap in trade value between one human being and another, one citizen and another, no matter who they are. It’s literally the point of citizenship.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Let’s use your logic ….

Who tried to make stupid stance on liberty because their cult leader let his big mouth put him in a political bind? The right, and million people died because dumbasses on the right refused to follow national public health policy.

Who murdered people in a grocery store and a church because they were black? Or Jews in synagogue because they were Jewish. The right.

Who took children from their parents and out them in internment camps? The right.

Who has worked tirelessly to undermine the media as fake news as a catch-all for believing any lie, no matter how fucking ridiculous and nonsensical? The right.

Who advocated Christian nationalism despite the constitutional separation of church and state. The right.

Who planned a coup from the highest office in our government to overturn the results of a legitimate election? Thee right.

Who has lost the popular vote for the presidency 5 out of six times and still whines like entitled bitches when they don’t “win@ the electoral college. The right.

Whose elected leaders have advocated violence and ousted their pants every time a suggestion is made that it’s outrageous that there are more guns than people in this country. The right.

Who turned into fan boys when a teen derelict shot people in the street during a peaceful protest? The right.

Who coddled dictators and stole secret documents. The right.

Who is the biggest hypocrite on IE? Leppy and his.m band of fascist apologists on the right.

Everything Trump got away with was because the right was too fucking cowardly and obtuse to hold him in check, and now you are stuck with a party riddled with the cancer of fascism. If 70% of your party believes Trump was good for the party, 70% of your party supports a fascist … by any definition. 70% of 80 million voters is 56 million fascists.

The party is who their leader is. Your party’s leader is a fucking fascist. And if you support him or that party I’m gonna go ahead and lump you all together like you do the left … so eat a bag of dicks you fascist piece of shit.

You're trending in a dark direction. You and I have always been respectful towards one another and despite our political differences, I've always thought well of you. As a friend, take some advice. In recent months you've changed very noticeably, and not for the better. Your posts have become angry, rambling, full of logical, grammatical, and spelling errors (signs of undue frustration and being overwrought) and are bordering on becoming little more than bitter rants. A couple of months ago you crossed the line with some vulgar insults to someone here and had to take some time off. Dial it back. Come back to engaging in reasonable discourse with the rest of us. We can disagree without you losing your cool, ranting, making it personal, and posting nonsense.