Biden Presidency

[GoIrish41]

Serious question: When Viktor Bout goes back to dealing arms to some very bad people - which he almost certainly will do - causing countless deaths, how will the Biden administration justify loosing him on the world again?

Serious question …. What is the value in being an American citizen? Biden brought back an American citizen by the only means available to him. Should he have just said no, leave her there? Again, what is the valuable of being an American if the government turns their back on you when you are being persecuted, because you aren’t happy about the terms. If she was my daughter, I’d want the president to move mountains to bring her home. Has it even occurred to you that she was detained because of her celebrity specifically to get Bout released. Putin has been trying to gain his release for more than a decade.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Biden brought an American citizen home, but at what price? Tell Victor's past and almost certain future victims' families that Griner's freedom is worth more than their loved one's life. And Griner wasn't persecuted. She knowingly broke another country's valid law and was prosecuted for it. The price paid to free her from consequences she brought upon herself will likely be very, very high. I'm just wondering how Biden will justify it.

 

[GoIrish41]

Biden brought an American citizen home, but at what price? Tell Victor's past and almost certain future victims' families that Griner's freedom is worth more than their loved one's life. And Griner wasn't persecuted. She knowingly broke another country's valid law and was prosecuted for it. The price paid to free her from consequences she brought upon herself will likely be very, very high. I'm just wondering how Biden will justify it.

So, being an American means nothing if you don’t think she’s worth the trade that was made to get her back. Thanks.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I’m assuming you thought it was fair, just, and reasonable trade?

 

[Bishop2b5]

So Biden is also negotiating for the release of thousands of other US citizens who are in foreign jails for relatively minor crimes? What's the value of THEIR citizenship? No, he paid a VERY high price for one particular citizen because she's a celebrity. All the rest aren't famous enough, I guess.

 

[ab2cmiller]

There is a reason that Putin had sought his release for more than a decade only to be consistently rebuffed. You don’t give up the Merchant of Death for just any American. An American spy, sure. A women’s professional basketball player, give me a break. Putin has to be mocking Biden as we speak.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So, being an American means nothing if you don’t think she’s worth the trade that was made to get her back. Thanks.

Being an American doesn't mean a get out of jail free card when you've broken another country's valid law. It sure shouldn't mean having one of the world's worst people released to bail you out of a hole you dug yourself into. She wasn't framed. She wasn't falsely accused of spying. She wasn't jailed for religious or political differences. She was jailed for violating another country's drug laws. She should have served her time. At best been eventually swapped for a similar low-level prisoner, but NOT for a major international terrorist arms dealer.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So, being an American means nothing if you don’t think she’s worth the trade that was made to get her back. Thanks.

It's not that I disagree with you. It's that you just can't come to grips with reality.

Allow me, a guy seemingly 25-30 years younger than you, help you a bit. Imagine if someone told you USC traded Caleb Williams to ND for Justin Walters. That's what Biden just did, but on a much more dangerous scale.

 

[irish2104]

Biden brought an American citizen home, but at what price? Tell Victor's past and almost certain future victims' families that Griner's freedom is worth more than their loved one's life. And Griner wasn't persecuted. She knowingly broke another country's valid law and was prosecuted for it. The price paid to free her from consequences she brought upon herself will likely be very, very high. I'm just wondering how Biden will justify it.

That is what ifs tho… the real world in based on facts…. And I mean people are acting like this guy is some super genius.. he was in prison for like 18 years… i highly doubt they would let him go if they believed he was able to engage in the same conduct he did 20 years ago… I mean there weren’t even smart phones back then

 

[dublinirish]

There is a reason that Putin had sought his release for more than a decade only to be consistently rebuffed. You don’t give up the Merchant of Death for just any American. An American spy, sure. A women’s professional basketball player, give me a break. Putin has to be mocking Biden as we speak.

Trump gave up Butina for nothing lol and then let the Taliban guy and 500 of his kin go free also


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[tommyIRISH23]

That is what ifs tho… the real world in based on facts…. And I mean people are acting like this guy is some super genius.. he was in prison for like 18 years… i highly doubt they would let him go if they believed he was able to engage in the same conduct he did 20 years ago… I mean there weren’t even smart phones back then

Sorry. I am not sure if this is a sarcastic post. I apologize if it is. But this is the logic you use following the assertion that “the real world is based on facts”? I really, really hope this is a sarcastic post and it just went right over my head lol.

 

[GoIrish41]

It's not that I disagree with you. It's that you just can't come to grips with reality.

Allow me, a guy seemingly 25-30 years younger than you, help you a bit. Imagine if someone told you USC traded Caleb Williams to ND for Justin Walters. That's what Biden just did, but on a much more dangerous scale.

Except, that’s not how college football works. Teams don’t trade players to other teams. In the pros, bad trades are made all the time. Remember when Ditka traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams or the Eagles didn’t try harder to keep Reggie White (who wanted to stay) instead of allowing him to sign with Green Bay? Those trade offs really happened.

Now imagine if Putin decided to hold an American citizen hostage just because she was famous and how it would make America look weak and when they just let it happen. That’s the reality. I wonder what you’d say if Biden announced we had a chance to bring home an American serving 10 years in a labor camp and decided she wasn’t worth bringing home. I think we both know the answer … When you grow up one of these days you may realize that a shitty deal is better sometimes than no deal in the real world. I’d say the same thing if you were traded for Dr. Death, and I think you are a disingenuous, Ill-mannered douche bag. But you are a citizen and that means something.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Except, that’s not how college football works. Teams don’t trade players to other teams. In the pros, bad trades are made all the time. Remember when Ditka traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams or the Eagles didn’t try harder to keep Reggie White (who wanted to stay) instead of allowing him to sign with Green Bay? Those trades really happened.

Now imagine if Putin decided to hold an American citizen hostage just because she was famous and how it would make America look weak and when they just let it happen. That’s the reality. I wonder what you’d say if Biden announced we had a chance to bring home an American serving 10 years in a labor camp and decided she wasn’t worth bringing home. I think we both know the answer … When you grow up one of these days you may realize that a shitty deal is better than no deal in the real world. I’d say the same thing if you were traded for Dr. Death, and I think you are a disingenuous, Ill-mannered douche bag. But you are a citizen and that means something.

Again 41, so Biden's working just as hard to bring home all the other American citizens who are in foreign jails for relatively minor crimes? You know, the ones who aren't celebrities? How much is their citizenship worth? What sort of deal is he making for them?

 

[GoIrish41]

Again 41, so Biden's working just as hard to bring home all the other American citizens who are in foreign jails for relatively minor crimes? You know, the ones who aren't celebrities? How much is their citizenship worth? What sort of deal is he making for them?

I don’t have any reason to believe he isn’t working just as hard to bring the others home. Do you? If so, let’s hear it instead of insinuating.

As I said, citizenship should at a minimum mean your country isn’t going to let you languish is a foreign prison camp when they have a chance to bring you home. I’ve heard of no opportunities to bring anyone else back at the moment. Indeed, there have been reports that other Americans were sought in the trade and rejected by Putin. Are you suggesting she should have been left there because the Russians wouldn’t let them all go? I’m having trouble understanding what you think Biden should have done — bring one home or none? Those were his choices — period.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I don’t have any reason to believe he isn’t working just as hard to bring the others home. Do you? Let’s hear it then instead of insinuating. As I said, citizenship should at a minimum mean your country isn’t going to let you languish is a foreign prison camp when they have a chance to bring you home. I’ve heard of no opportunities to bring anyone else back at the moment. Indeed, there have been reports that other Americans were sought in the trade and rejected by Putin. Are you suggesting she should have been left there because the Russians wouldn’t let them all go? I’m having trouble understanding what you think Biden should have done — bring one home or none? Those were his choices — period.

No reason to believe he isn't? Seriously? Then where are they? Show me the results. Show me the non-celebrity ones who have come home. Show me any evidence that he IS working to bring any of them home. Don't play naive and coy. We all know why Griner's release was secured while countless others are forgotten by all but their families: she's a celebrity and this played well in the press.

I'm suggesting that we had no business making any exceptional attempts to bring her home. She committed a crime in a foreign country. She wasn't framed, she wasn't falsely accused of spying, she wasn't the victim of religious or ethnic persecution. She committed a crime and got sentenced for it. Trading a dangerous terrorist arms dealer for her was a self-serving PR stunt. We both know he didn't and won't make nearly the same effort to secure other similarly incarcerated US citizens... nor should he if they're guilty of actual crimes. He shouldn't have for Griner either. He sure as hell shouldn't have at the price of sending Bout back to Russia.

 

[GoIrish41]

No reason to believe he isn't? Seriously? Then where are they? Show me the results. Show me the non-celebrity ones who have come home. Show me any evidence that he IS working to bring any of them home. Don't play naive and coy. We all know why Griner's release was secured while countless others are forgotten by all but their families: she's a celebrity and this played well in the press.

I'm suggesting that we had no business making any exceptional attempts to bring her home. She committed a crime in a foreign country. She wasn't framed, she wasn't falsely accused of spying, she wasn't the victim of religious or ethnic persecution. She committed a crime and got sentenced for it. Trading a dangerous terrorist arms dealer for her was a self-serving PR stunt. We both know he didn't and won't make nearly the same effort to secure other similarly incarcerated US citizens... nor should he if they're guilty of actual crimes. He shouldn't have for Griner either. He sure as hell shouldn't have at the price of sending Bout back to Russia.

Since we’re not being coy, why don’t you just come out and say what’s really bothering you. She’s a black, lesbian, pot smoker who doesn’t fit your definition of an American, which IS the point of your last handful of posts. But instead of just admitting it so we can have the real conversation, everyone is expected to dance around your transparent bigotry out of politeness. I’m not playing that game anymore.

If you don’t have the courage to admit how you really feel, maybe you should either stop replying to me or better yet just stfu altogether.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Since we’re not being coy, why don’t you just come out and say what’s really bothering you. She’s a black, lesbian, pot smoker who doesn’t fit your definition of an American, which IS the point of your last handful of posts. But instead of just admitting it so we can have the real conversation, everyone is expected to dance around your transparent bigotry out of politeness. I’m not playing that game anymore.

Don't make the mistake of putting words in my mouth or trying to reinterpret what I say. I said exactly what I meant, no more, no less. I don't care about your erroneous insinuations, and it's a poor attempt to bail yourself out of the losing side of an argument.

I'm all for our government using its power to bring home any American citizen wrongfully incarcerated or held. Griner wasn't. She, working and playing in Russia for years, knew their drug laws and knowingly broke them. She got arrested and convicted. Anyone else of any race, orientation, political persuasion, religion, or whatever else who knowingly breaks a foreign country's reasonable and valid laws should serve their sentence. If I go to Russia and shoplift or assault someone or get caught with drugs, I should pay the price, and despite your reluctance to admit it, Biden won't trade any terrorists to secure my release because I'm not a celebrity and there would be no PR victory for him to tout.

Now, answer my question. Why should Griner's citizenship be worth more than any other US citizens? Show me any evidence this admin is working just as hard to bring any other citizens in similar situations home. I'm not suggesting he should. If they committed a crime, then he should let them pay for it. I'm complaining that he exchanged a terrorist for her, gave special treatment to her because she's a celebrity, and because it was a PR win at least in some circles... all of which he hasn't now will do for non-celebrity citizens.

 

[TorontoGold]

Don't make the mistake of putting words in my mouth or trying to reinterpret what I say. I said exactly what I meant, no more, no less. I don't care about your erroneous insinuations, and it's a poor attempt to bail yourself out of the losing side of an argument.

I'm all for our government using its power to bring home any American citizen wrongfully incarcerated or held. Griner wasn't. She, working and playing in Russia for years, knew their drug laws and knowingly broke them. She got arrested and convicted. Anyone else of any race, orientation, political persuasion, religion, or whatever else who knowingly breaks a foreign country's reasonable and valid laws should serve their sentence. If I go to Russia and shoplift or assault someone or get caught with drugs, I should pay the price, and despite your reluctance to admit it, Biden won't trade any terrorists to secure my release because I'm not a celebrity and there would be no PR victory for him to tout.

Now, answer my question. Why should Griner's citizenship be worth more than any other US citizens? Show me any evidence this admin is working just as hard to bring any other citizens in similar situations home. I'm not suggesting he should. If they committed a crime, then he should let them pay for it. I'm complaining that he exchanged a terrorist for her, gave special treatment to her because she's a celebrity, and because it was a PR win at least in some circles... all of which he hasn't now will do for non-celebrity citizens.

Just to be clear - you don't actually believe she got fair treatment from the Russian government, and that they have reasonable laws? Russia is not a beacon for justice lmao.

I'll leave the whether the deal was fair or not to Lax or Whiskey as they've likely got a better grip on this stuff.

 

[GoIrish41]

Don't make the mistake of putting words in my mouth or trying to reinterpret what I say. I said exactly what I meant, no more, no less. I don't care about your erroneous insinuations, and it's a poor attempt to bail yourself out of the losing side of an argument.

I'm all for our government using its power to bring home any American citizen wrongfully incarcerated or held. Griner wasn't. She, working and playing in Russia for years, knew their drug laws and knowingly broke them. She got arrested and convicted. Anyone else of any race, orientation, political persuasion, religion, or whatever else who knowingly breaks a foreign country's reasonable and valid laws should serve their sentence. If I go to Russia and shoplift or assault someone or get caught with drugs, I should pay the price, and despite your reluctance to admit it, Biden won't trade any terrorists to secure my release because I'm not a celebrity and there would be no PR victory for him to tout.

Now, answer my question. Why should Griner's citizenship be worth more than any other US citizens? Show me any evidence this admin is working just as hard to bring any other citizens in similar situations home. I'm not suggesting he should. If they committed a crime, then he should let them pay for it. I'm complaining that he exchanged a terrorist for her, gave special treatment to her because she's a celebrity, and because it was a PR win at least in some circles... all of which he hasn't now will do for non-celebrity citizens.

We both know I’m not making a mistake.

 

[GoIrish41]

Trump gave up Butina for nothing lol and then let the Taliban guy and 500 of his kin go free also


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Remember when Bishop raised hell about that? … Me neither.

 

[Bishop2b5]

We both know I’m not making a mistake.

Strawman argument: a logical fallacy that involves exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument or position in order to make it easier to refute.

This is EXACTLY what you're attempting to do. You know it. I know it. Everyone reading this thread knows it. Your attempt to spin, attack my motive, and misrepresent my argument are the very definition of a strawman argument.

Biden made a poor deal, giving up a known terrorist arms dealer for a celebrity who committed a crime in a foreign country, all because she is a celebrity and it plays to his base. Again, why won't you answer the question about why her citizenship entitles her to special consideration when the Biden admin makes no such efforts for other citizens? YOU are the one who asked what is the value of being an American citizen in your first reply to me. OK, tell us. What's the value of being an American citizen in the eyes of the Biden admin if you're NOT a celebrity? Apparently not all that much.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Remember when Bishop raised hell about that? … Me neither.

If you'd like to have a discussion about that in the Trump thread, then by all means we will. However, it's irrelevant to this conversation and an attempt by you to deflect and dodge some uncomfortable issues for you in the current discussion. Don't change the subject. Don't dodge and spin. Don't intentionally misinterpret my arguments. If you can't refute me or support your own position, say so, but don't keep pulling this intellectually dishonest BS. You used to be above that nonsense, 41.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Just to be clear - you don't actually believe she got fair treatment from the Russian government, and that they have reasonable laws? Russia is not a beacon for justice lmao.

I'll leave the whether the deal was fair or not to Lax or Whiskey as they've likely got a better grip on this stuff.

No, Russia is certainly no beacon of justice and I believe her sentence was harsher than necessary. However, outlawing any and all recreational drugs is not unreasonable (many countries do so, including us until recently) and her being arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for violating those laws weren't a miscarriage of justice. I just believe the sentence was excessive. As for the deal, I think it was 100% terrible and misguided. We traded a known terrorist and arms dealer for a celebrity, and her celebrity and the PR it involved are the ONLY reason we made such an effort to secure her release.

 

[GoIrish41]

If you'd like to have a discussion about that in the Trump thread, then by all means we will. However, it's irrelevant to this conversation and an attempt by you to deflect and dodge some uncomfortable issues for you in the current discussion. Don't change the subject. Don't dodge and spin. Don't intentionally misinterpret my arguments. If you can't refute me or support your own position, say so, but don't keep pulling this intellectually dishonest BS. You used to be above that nonsense, 41.

Are you a different character in that thread than you are in this one? We’ve talked about dozens and dozens of topics over several years and I’ve politely listened to all your arguments and have concluded that you are full of shit and purposely avoid the point of the posts YOU engage and act as if your opinion is the only valid one.

Think of my responses as a reflector with a picture burned in my head of 10,000 responses that all seem to fall in line with policies you have public always defended ad nauseam and actions I find treasonous and directly detrimental to my country. Which is not to say anything of your consistent support for policies I find reprehensible, inhuman, cold, racist and vile. And you wonder why I pick your arguments apart with previous arguments you’ve made over years? … Or characterize your justifications to the slightest bit of morality or constitutional scrutiny? Really? I guess I’m just petty like that.

You fail to acknowledge provable things that we all watched unfold on television and made excuses for it without fail. If you want the skeleton key to crack my logic, here it is.

I believe that the GOP has become increasingly fascist and that backwards-thinking goober apologists like you are the reason why. And as you are posting coming from the citadel of racism it’s all a little much for a simpleton like myself to take without telling you to fuck off.

But on the good side you as unfailingly polite as a southern bell even when you rationalize evil. Guys like yourself are the last plunk of rationality that spilled over the brim that has made a lifelong optimist a pessimist about the future of this country. So, good job, I guess. I am done arguing in good faith with people who refuse to return the favor. And I have no time for anyone who supports the execution of a coup against our government or defends anyone who defends that bullshit.

You’ve exposed yourself to me in a way that is good enough for me not to want to talk with you about, anything really. Its the way your own words demonstrate the way you approach solutions to human problems and fail to recognize the ones that folks who don’t look like you have had to deal with since the founding of this country.

I know you won’t say it, but it pisses you off each and every time one of them gets something you don’t from the government because, fairness. Fuck the bind “they” were put in, suck it up and honor my heritage no matter if the part I’m proudest about was their roll in fighting a war that sought to preserve that institution. Its old timey values like that are the ones we should follow — not anything new or different. You are the I’ll pat you on the head and tell you why you’re wrong guy who is uncomfortable with what his policy choices says about his character. Straw man argument? Piss off.

It we can’t discuss how perfectly my impressions of you line up with your responses across multiple threads we have nothing to talk about.

If you wonder why, im being so blunt it’s because I’m sick of reading your bullshit justifications for all the things any decent human being would feel ashamed about and even hinting that you are above it all, which is always in the air when you wander into a conversation. And, to expose your hypocrisy— that your are far too biased to have an honest discussion and since that is the case you are not worthy of an honest discussion.

Knowing that is what I think, you can imagine how annoyed I get when some asshole who isn’t even a fan of my team comes on a message board for my team that I’ve been posting on for well over a decade and responds to every post I make with “you are illogical, or dishonest, or biased (Mr. Kettle).” Cool. I’m an idiot. So fuck off and stop responding. Can I be any clearer than that?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Except, that’s not how college football works. Teams don’t trade players to other teams. In the pros, bad trades are made all the time. Remember when Ditka traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams or the Eagles didn’t try harder to keep Reggie White (who wanted to stay) instead of allowing him to sign with Green Bay? Those trade offs really happened.

Now imagine if Putin decided to hold an American citizen hostage just because she was famous and how it would make America look weak and when they just let it happen. That’s the reality. I wonder what you’d say if Biden announced we had a chance to bring home an American serving 10 years in a labor camp and decided she wasn’t worth bringing home. I think we both know the answer … When you grow up one of these days you may realize that a shitty deal is better sometimes than no deal in the real world. I’d say the same thing if you were traded for Dr. Death, and I think you are a disingenuous, Ill-mannered douche bag. But you are a citizen and that means something.

It was an analogy, one which you still failed to grasp. It was alluding to the value of the persons being traded.

I wonder what you'd say if Trump sent a convicted arms dealer back to RUSSIA for a basketball player. Ya know, all that Trump/ Russia collusion stuff haha.

A stranger's opinion of me carries no weight whatsoever.

Sometimes no deal is better than freeing Dr. Death. Biden got punked here, and Putin is laughing. And if you got arrested for bringing drugs into Russia, I wouldn't trade you for Dr. Death lol. Sorry not sorry. You made your own bed there, as did Griner.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Biden definitely got punked. Putin knew Biden was desperate for a deal and thus Putin had all the leverage.

Just to be clear, even if Whalen was the one traded instead of Griner, Biden still shouldn’t have done this deal (unless Whalen really was a spy).

No deal would’ve been better than a one for one trade for the Merchant of Death.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Are you a different character in that thread than you are in this one? We’ve talked about dozens and dozens of topics over several years and I’ve politely listened to all your arguments and have concluded that you are full of shit and purposely avoid the point of the posts YOU engage and act as if your opinion is the only valid one.

Think of my responses as a reflector with a picture burned in my head of 10,000 responses that all seem to fall in line with policies you have public always defended ad nauseam and actions I find treasonous and directly detrimental to my country. Which is not to say anything of your consistent support for policies I find reprehensible, inhuman, cold, racist and vile. And you wonder why I pick your arguments apart with previous arguments you’ve made over years? … Or characterize your justifications to the slightest bit of morality or constitutional scrutiny? Really? I guess I’m just petty like that.

You fail to acknowledge provable things that we all watched unfold on television and made excuses for it without fail. If you want the skeleton key to crack my logic, here it is.

I believe that the GOP has become increasingly fascist and that backwards-thinking goober apologists like you are the reason why. And as you are posting coming from the citadel of racism it’s all a little much for a simpleton like myself to take without telling you to fuck off.

But on the good side you as unfailingly polite as a southern bell even when you rationalize evil. Guys like yourself are the last plunk of rationality that spilled over the brim that has made a lifelong optimist a pessimist about the future of this country. So, good job, I guess. I am done arguing in good faith with people who refuse to return the favor. And I have no time for anyone who supports the execution of a coup against our government or defends anyone who defends that bullshit.

You’ve exposed yourself to me in a way that is good enough for me not to want to talk with you about, anything really. Its the way your own words demonstrate the way you approach solutions to human problems and fail to recognize the ones that folks who don’t look like you have had to deal with since the founding of this country.

I know you won’t say it, but it pisses you off each and every time one of them gets something you don’t from the government because, fairness. Fuck the bind “they” were put in, suck it up and honor my heritage no matter if the part I’m proudest about was their roll in fighting a war that sought to preserve that institution. Its old timey values like that are the ones we should follow — not anything new or different. You are the I’ll pat you on the head and tell you why you’re wrong guy who is uncomfortable with what his policy choices says about his character. Straw man argument? Piss off.

It we can’t discuss how perfectly my impressions of you line up with your responses across multiple threads we have nothing to talk about.

If you wonder why, im being so blunt it’s because I’m sick of reading your bullshit justifications for all the things any decent human being would feel ashamed about and even hinting that you are above it all, which is always in the air when you wander into a conversation. And, to expose your hypocrisy— that your are far too biased to have an honest discussion and since that is the case you are not worthy of an honest discussion.

Knowing that is what I think, you can imagine how annoyed I get when some asshole who isn’t even a fan of my team comes on a message board for my team that I’ve been posting on for well over a decade and responds to every post I make with “you are illogical, or dishonest, or biased (Mr. Kettle).” Cool. I’m an idiot. So fuck off and stop responding. Can I be any clearer than that?

This post begs the question...how's your hangover this morning? Good grief. I suggest Liquid IV, Tylenol, and a bagel sandwich.

 

[Irish#1]

Except, that’s not how college football works. Teams don’t trade players to other teams. In the pros, bad trades are made all the time. Remember when Ditka traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams or the Eagles didn’t try harder to keep Reggie White (who wanted to stay) instead of allowing him to sign with Green Bay? Those trade offs really happened.

Now imagine if Putin decided to hold an American citizen hostage just because she was famous and how it would make America look weak and when they just let it happen. That’s the reality. I wonder what you’d say if Biden announced we had a chance to bring home an American serving 10 years in a labor camp and decided she wasn’t worth bringing home. I think we both know the answer … When you grow up one of these days you may realize that a shitty deal is better sometimes than no deal in the real world. I’d say the same thing if you were traded for Dr. Death, and I think you are a disingenuous, Ill-mannered douche bag. But you are a citizen and that means something.

Stay classy.

 

[Irish#1]

Since we’re not being coy, why don’t you just come out and say what’s really bothering you. She’s a black, lesbian, pot smoker who doesn’t fit your definition of an American, which IS the point of your last handful of posts. But instead of just admitting it so we can have the real conversation, everyone is expected to dance around your transparent bigotry out of politeness. I’m not playing that game anymore.

If you don’t have the courage to admit how you really feel, maybe you should either stop replying to me or better yet just stfu altogether.

SMH

 

[Irish#1]

Let’s say Russia plays games with their laws which I imagine they do and Griner was sentenced to, too harsh of a sentence. Putin knows exactly how Biden clicks and knew he could get the exchange he wanted. Biden got played big time.