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Editor’s Note:
Peter Bergen is CNN’s national security analyst, a vice president at New America and a professor of practice at Arizona State University. Bergen has reported from Afghanistan since 1993. His new book is, “The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden.” The views expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion on CNN.

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President Joe Biden claimed in his speech to the nation on Monday that he was bound by the Trump administration’s agreement with the Taliban to withdraw all US troops from Afghanistan. However, there are multiple flaws with this argument.
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First, the Taliban never observed the terms of that agreement, including that they would break ties with al-Qaeda. According to a UN report released earlier this year, they didn’t.

Second, the agreement said that the Taliban would enter genuine peace negotiations with the Afghan government. That didn’t happen either.

Third, the US-Taliban agreement was negotiated without any input from the Afghan government – which, after all, was the elected government of the country. Conveniently for the Taliban, they don’t believe in elections.

So, the Biden administration felt bound to an agreement made by the previous administration with an insurgent group that had excluded the actual government of Afghanistan.

But not long prior, the Trump administration jettisoned the 2015 Iranian nuclear agreement, which was negotiated by the Obama administration with a sovereign state and with some of the United States’ closest allies, the British, French, and Germans. That agreement was actually being adhered to by the Iranians, according to the American intelligence community.

That didn’t stop Trump from abandoning the Iranian nuclear agreement in 2018, which he often described as a terrible deal, even though it was actually working.

Now, the Biden administration is saying it had to adhere to Trump’s genuinely terrible deal with the Taliban, even though it wasn’t working at all.

What the administration has done in Afghanistan doesn’t make much sense. Biden could have easily said the Taliban had reneged on their agreement with the United States so he could continue to keep a relatively small US military force in Afghanistan to advise and assist the Afghan Army and to support the Afghan Air Force to thwart Taliban advances.

But Biden also believes in the merits of leaving Afghanistan regardless of Trump’s agreement with the Taliban. He argues that the US can’t be mired in endless wars, even though the American presence in Afghanistan had shrunk to only 2,500 troops – particularly few for a force of 1.3 million active-duty US service personnel. That small force helped to sustain the Afghan military physically and psychologically, not least with close air support.

Now, the Biden administration unilaterally has pulled the plug on the US troop presence in Afghanistan, which cratered morale among the Afghan military and population. It also precipitated thousands of Western-allied soldiers to head for the exits, as well as the many thousands of contractors in Afghanistan that were, among other things, keeping the Afghan Air Force aloft.

And now the white flags of the Taliban flutter all over Afghanistan. It did not need to be this way.
 

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Americans left behind in enemy territory, Biden dribbles on the teleprompter, then heads back to vacation. Embarrassing is an understatement.
 

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Pelosi’s scolding Taliban for their brutality even as her leader green-lights atrocities

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August 16, 2021 6:03pm

A clueless Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Taliban extremists that "the whole world is watching."


If you’re wondering how the situation in Afghanistan could’ve spun so horrifically out of control, and so quickly, consider how Democrats now running the country think.

On Saturday, just as the Taliban were set to take over the country, Speaker Nancy Pelosi actually commended President Joe Biden for “the actions he has taken” there. At the same time, she expressed concern about “reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.”

Hello? It’s Biden’s “actions” that are enabling the Taliban to carry out such brutality in the first place.

Pelosi warned the extremists “the world is watching.” Does she actually believe thugs who persecute women — deny them education, enslave them in marriages against their will, take away their freedoms and banish them from much of public life — give one fig about what the world thinks?

The speaker called on “the US, the international community and the Afghan government” to do everything possible “to protect women and girls” from the Taliban’s “inhumane treatment.”

That’s precisely what these groups were doing prior to Biden’s rushed pullout. Now there is no more Afghan government — except for the Taliban.

Pelosi further demanded “any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table.” What planet is she on? Why does she think the Taliban care what Pelosi has to say?

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki voiced similar delusions last week: “The Taliban also has to make an assessment about what they want their role to be in the international community.” She was thoroughly (and deservedly) mocked: These fundamentalist goons decided long ago they’re perfectly content to be global villains; if 20 years of fighting an international coalition didn’t move the needle, clearly no amount of finger-wagging ever could.

Yes, President Donald Trump also tried to negotiate with the Taliban and set a deadline for withdrawing troops by May 2021. Yet Trump knew they couldn’t be trusted; he set conditions and issued warnings. No one knows how he would’ve handled Afghanistan had he won reelection, but Dems are putting out tough-sounding statements even as they’re withdrawing troops unconditionally. How effective is that?

Biden’s withdrawal gives a green light to Taliban atrocities. It’s beyond hypocritical for Democrats to scold them for it at the same time.
 

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Americans left behind in enemy territory, Biden dribbles on the teleprompter, then heads back to vacation. Embarrassing is an understatement.

I can't imagine this being any worse. I don't get why we didn't get our people out before handing over billions in arms to the Taliban. I don't get why we left dangerous prisoners to be freed by the Taliban. I don't get why Biden fled to Camp David during a pivotal week of his Presidency. Our friends in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Ukraine must have zero confidence in us. China and Russia are laughing.
 

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I'm not old enough to remember Jimmy Carter but I'm hearing a lot of people say that Biden is reminding them of him.
 

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Double Down, Joseph Biden.

Now intiate, beginning 9/1/2021 a withdrawal of 1,000 US troops per month from Korea.

I say this with heartfelt thanks to the ROKS, who accompanied us on several missions in that jungle in South East Asia some 53 summers ago.

But, damn, it's been NEARLY 61 years since Chesty Puller led men at the Chosin Reservoir.

If not now, when do we withdraw?
If not you, who?

BE courageous Joe.

Do the right thing.

AND, ONCE AGAIN, thanks to my ROK brothers.
 

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I'm not old enough to remember Jimmy Carter but I'm hearing a lot of people say that Biden is reminding them of him.

I'm not sure why. Carter is a humanitarian. He wouldn't have left all those people high and dry.

I also find it ironic that Schumer and Pelosi were pounding their chest every other day when Orange Man was in office, but we're hearing crickets from them right now.
 

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I can't imagine this being any worse. I don't get why we didn't get our people out before handing over billions in arms to the Taliban. I don't get why we left dangerous prisoners to be freed by the Taliban. I don't get why Biden fled to Camp David during a pivotal week of his Presidency. Our friends in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Ukraine must have zero confidence in us. China and Russia are laughing.

Cuba says "hi" too. Or did you leave them out b/c Biden clearly already flipped them the bird?

It was well established for anyone with half a brain that Biden hasn't been right on any foreign policy for 50 years. Osama Bin Ladin would still be alive if it were up to Joe (maybe Trump would have gotten him). Go figure a career legislator doesn't know how to play executive.
 

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Cuba says "hi" too. Or did you leave them out b/c Biden clearly already flipped them the bird?

It was well established for anyone with half a brain that Biden hasn't been right on any foreign policy for 50 years. Osama Bin Ladin would still be alive if it were up to Joe (maybe Trump would have gotten him). Go figure a career legislator doesn't know how to play executive.

I miss the days where we would have went out on the water and brought those floating Studebaker's in to help those good people of Cuba get away from the oppressive communist regime.At a minimum, helped the resistance and restored the internet. You're right. Cuba too.
 

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Cuba says "hi" too. Or did you leave them out b/c Biden clearly already flipped them the bird?

It was well established for anyone with half a brain that Biden hasn't been right on any foreign policy for 50 years. Osama Bin Ladin would still be alive if it were up to Joe (maybe Trump would have gotten him). Go figure a career legislator doesn't know how to play executive.

During his campaign Uncle Joe touted his vast foreign policy experience. :wave:
 

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To be fair to our leftist friends who voted for Joe and thought he was the answer, who could've possibly seen any of this coming? I mean Joe's career as a Senator and VP were an unbroken string of legislative and leadership successes full of world-changing accomplishments and bills. Plus, on the campaign trail last year, he always seemed so brilliant and sharp... just full of great ideas and all the right ways to implement them and solve all our problems. No way to have seen any of his current domestic and foreign disasters coming. Nope. It's a real head scratcher to understand how it happened.
 

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To be fair to our leftist friends who voted for Joe and thought he was the answer, who could've possibly seen any of this coming? I mean Joe's career as a Senator and VP were an unbroken string of legislative and leadership successes full of world-changing accomplishments and bills. Plus, on the campaign trail last year, he always seemed so brilliant and sharp... just full of great ideas and all the right ways to implement them and solve all our problems. No way to have seen any of his current domestic and foreign disasters coming. Nope. It's a real head scratcher to understand how it happened.

the leftists (not liberals), who have never been accused of being the sharpest tools in the shed, were a 1 issue voter base that can be summed up with 2 words: Anti-Trump.

absolutely nothing else mattered, period.

make no mistake, nothing has changed with any of them. they can still be reduced to the same 2 words: Anti-Trump.
 

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Left right is binary nonsense..

Let Afghan boys-and girls fight for Afghan freedom.

And support no more dickheads, not the Shah, not Fulgenciio Batista and not that Nancy boy from Johns Hopkins who worked for the World Bank, Ashraf Ghani.

You think the Talis feared Ghani????????. They knew he was a pansy and would wilt like one.

Meanwhile, the US assists in the offing of guys like Mohammed Mossadegh, Nkrumah and the wondrous but assassinated Patrice Lumumba

and, one more time, the US CIA Should have beheaded Theiu and Ky in Vietnam rather than supported them

Media shills and people of questionable morality keep fomenting

this left right/ pink blue BS.

That my friends is Unamerican Actitivy

Let Afghan boys fight for Afghan Freedom

That's an American answer.
 

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the leftists (not liberals), who have never been accused of being the sharpest tools in the shed, were a 1 issue voter base that can be summed up with 2 words: Anti-Trump.

absolutely nothing else mattered, period.

make no mistake, nothing has changed with any of them. they can still be reduced to the same 2 words: Anti-Trump.

That’s why the lesson learned is that we can’t let candidates hide and not answer questions. He was given a huge pass by the media.
 
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Left right is binary nonsense..

Let Afghan boys-and girls fight for Afghan freedom.

Let Afghan boys fight for Afghan Freedom

That's an American answer.

For the most part I agree. Let them take care of themselves. The issue is the cluster f@ck that is happening now. The September 1 deadline was nothing more than a symbolic date to gain points in the polls. The date has no significant value to the military, economy, etc.. This should have been a slow and quiet withdrawal to give the Afghan government and army time to better prepare.

Read somewhere that we only had about 2,500 soldiers left over there? Things were pretty stable with such a small force.
 

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For the most part I agree. Let them take care of themselves. The issue is the cluster f@ck that is happening now. The September 1 deadline was nothing more than a symbolic date to gain points in the polls. The date has no significant value to the military, economy, etc.. This should have been a slow and quiet withdrawal to give the Afghan government and army time to better prepare.

Read somewhere that we only had about 2,500 soldiers left over there? Things were pretty stable with such a small force.

US was supporting logistics and air support -- we had only 2,500 troops there (as you mention) and haven't had an American military casualty in almost 18 months. The Afghans were fighting for themselves to the tune of 60,000+ military casualties. I know isolationism is en vogue these days, but the decision to withdraw IMO was the wrong one. Sustained military presence in international hot spots preserves American interests, prevents the proliferation of terrorist groups, and ultimately helps stop another 9/11 from happening. In leaving, we essentially handed an entire country and billions in military equipment over to a terrorist group.

Even if you feel withdrawal is preferable, the way that Biden handled this is both incompetent and morally unconscionable. We just got up and left, with no consideration to the thousands of Afghani women and children that will die, not to mention the thousands of Americans that are still trapped there. The guy is a foreign policy moron and really shouldn't be trusted to lead this country. We all knew this, but this mistake just further solidifies it. I know orange man bad, but what did we get in the 2020 election? He's made almost every aspect of American life worse.
 
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Left right is binary nonsense..

Let Afghan boys-and girls fight for Afghan freedom.

And support no more dickheads, not the Shah, not Fulgenciio Batista and not that Nancy boy from Johns Hopkins who worked for the World Bank, Ashraf Ghani.

You think the Talis feared Ghani????????. They knew he was a pansy and would wilt like one.

Meanwhile, the US assists in the offing of guys like Mohammed Mossadegh, Nkrumah and the wondrous but assassinated Patrice Lumumba

and, one more time, the US CIA Should have beheaded Theiu and Ky in Vietnam rather than supported them

Media shills and people of questionable morality keep fomenting

this left right/ pink blue BS.

That my friends is Unamerican Actitivy

Let Afghan boys fight for Afghan Freedom

That's an American answer.

Leaving thousands of Americans behind enemy lines is not the American answer. I pray this situation doesn't turn into another Mogadishu.
 

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US was supporting logistics and air support -- we had only 2,500 troops there (as you mention) and haven't had an American military casualty in almost 18 months. The Afghans were fighting for themselves to the tune of 60,000+ military casualties. I know isolationism is en vogue these days, but the decision to withdraw IMO was the wrong one. Sustained military presence in international hot spots preserves American interests, prevents the proliferation of terrorist groups, and ultimately helps stop another 9/11 from happening. In leaving, we essentially handed an entire country and billions in military equipment over to a terrorist group.

Even if you feel withdrawal is preferably, the way that Biden handled this is both incompetent and morally unconscionable. We just got up and left, with no consideration to the thousands of Afghani women and children that will die, not to mention the thousands of Americans that are still trapped there. The guy is a foreign policy moron and really shouldn't be trusted to lead this country. We all knew this, but this mistake just further solidifies it. I know orange man bad, but what did we get in the 2020 election? He's made almost every aspect of American life worse.

I mean, one of these was easily avoidable - the other easily argued as inevitable from day one. Whether happy or sad to be out of that shithole, it is undeniable the withdrawal is a colossal failure of epic proportions. If you are going to bolt like that, you do it in the winter and quietly.
 

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Leaving thousands of Americans behind enemy lines is not the American answer. I pray this situation doesn't turn into another Mogadishu.

I agree that it is a national disgrace.

And both Foreign Relations committees, and Senate Intelligence should hold thorough, piercing hearings, digging down, with investigative zeal and a thirst for the truth

Let the facts flow,.

Afghanistan is not America's stupidest war adventure, that was Iraq,'

But you can't make a "secular democracy silk purse" out of a "tribal clusterbleep graveyard of empires"

Get the stragglers out, get the interpreters out

and then investigate and FACT FIND like hell won't have it.

Mogadishu? 19 dead, 73 wounded. Sorry, in the American casualty calculus, that is pretty much chump change.


That is war's harsh reality.
 

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I agree that it is a national disgrace.

And both Foreign Relations committees, and Senate Intelligence should hold thorough, piercing hearings, digging down, with investigative zeal and a thirst for the truth

Let the facts flow,.

Afghanistan is not America's stupidest war adventure, that was Iraq,'

But you can't make a "secular democracy silk purse" out of a "tribal clusterbleep graveyard of empires"

Get the stragglers out, get the interpreters out

and then investigate and FACT FIND like hell won't have it.

Mogadishu? 19 dead, 73 wounded. Sorry, in the American casualty calculus, that is pretty much chump change.


That is war's harsh reality.

Yes! Blue ribbon committees galore! Let's point some fingers!

We can't even impeach this dumb ass because then we get stuck with Cackles. As if anything he does is really his decision anyway - the dude is seriously just a scapegoat. I would say empty suit but I am guessing there is some chocolate chocolate chips filling his pants regularly. Absent the obvious problem of Kamala taking over - how does anyone who pounded the drum for Trump's impeachment validate not impeaching this kid sniffing moron?
 

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Yes! Blue ribbon committees galore! Let's point some fingers!

We can't even impeach this dumb ass because then we get stuck with Cackles. As if anything he does is really his decision anyway - the dude is seriously just a scapegoat. I would say empty suit but I am guessing there is some chocolate chocolate chips filling his pants regularly. Absent the obvious problem of Kamala taking over - how does anyone who pounded the drum for Trump's impeachment validate not impeaching this kid sniffing moron?

well, you mostly emote.

and your reading comprehension is at an Alabama level

"Why Lord do I not heed your warning about casting pearls before swine???????)

No doubt in your experience you have encountered "kaizen"

This is a management skill which focuses on
Fixing the problem
not the blame

a distinction too subtle for a wandering generality like yourself.

.you are on my do not respond to list, with some noted others.

Oh, and look this up

"When you confront a problem, spend 95% of the time analyzing the problem and 5% analyzing the solution."

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well, you mostly emote.

and your reading comprehension is at an Alabama level

"Why Lord do I not heed your warning about casting pearls before swine???????)

No doubt in your experience you have encountered "kaizen"

This is a management skill which focuses on
Fixing the problem
not the blame

a distinction too subtle for a wandering generality like yourself.

.you are on my do not respond to list, with some noted others.

Oh, and look this up

"When you confront a problem, spend 95% of the time analyzing the problem and 5% analyzing the solution."

.

This is a unnecessary post consisting only of personal attacks and offers nothing to the discussion.

As an aside, a key part of kaizen is a 5-Why's analysis to find the root cause of a problem. In this instance, incompetent leadership is likely to be the result of such an analysis. Fixing problems and placing blame are not independent of each other.
 

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Yes! Blue ribbon committees galore! Let's point some fingers!

We can't even impeach this dumb ass because then we get stuck with Cackles. As if anything he does is really his decision anyway - the dude is seriously just a scapegoat. I would say empty suit but I am guessing there is some chocolate chocolate chips filling his pants regularly. Absent the obvious problem of Kamala taking over - how does anyone who pounded the drum for Trump's impeachment validate not impeaching this kid sniffing moron?

I know how you feel. However, he still has three years left on this trajectory down the tubes. You should abandon hope. Expect things to get worse, because they will. At least you're not an American behind Taliban lines being abandoned by Joe Biden.

Also, didn't have a strong opinion on Blinken before this, but that guy is an absolute moron. Our state dept. is woefully inadequate under the current regime.
 

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I agree that it is a national disgrace.

And both Foreign Relations committees, and Senate Intelligence should hold thorough, piercing hearings, digging down, with investigative zeal and a thirst for the truth

Let the facts flow,.

Afghanistan is not America's stupidest war adventure, that was Iraq,'

But you can't make a "secular democracy silk purse" out of a "tribal clusterbleep graveyard of empires"

Get the stragglers out, get the interpreters out

and then investigate and FACT FIND like hell won't have it.

Mogadishu? 19 dead, 73 wounded. Sorry, in the American casualty calculus, that is pretty much chump change.


That is war's harsh reality.

We're hearing crickets from Pelosi and Schumer. As long as they're driving their respective buses, there will not be any real investigations into this debacle.
 

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well, you mostly emote.

and your reading comprehension is at an Alabama level

"Why Lord do I not heed your warning about casting pearls before swine???????)

No doubt in your experience you have encountered "kaizen"

This is a management skill which focuses on
Fixing the problem
not the blame

a distinction too subtle for a wandering generality like yourself.

.you are on my do not respond to list, with some noted others.

Oh, and look this up

"When you confront a problem, spend 95% of the time analyzing the problem and 5% analyzing the solution."

.

Your prose emits a sense of superiority over us common folks. We have a lady here at my work who tries to communicate in the same manner when she sends an email. She is the laughing stock of the company.
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1428072995747155974?s=20[/TWEET]

I was told this would be a more diverse and inclusive Taliban and that we had politely asked them to not hold our people back from the airport. Who could have known this wouldn't work out well?
 

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This is a unnecessary post consisting only of personal attacks and offers nothing to the discussion.

As an aside, a key part of kaizen is a 5-Why's analysis to find the root cause of a problem. In this instance, incompetent leadership is likely to be the result of such an analysis. Fixing problems and placing blame are not independent of each other.

small minds discuss people
mediocre minds discus events
hungry minds discus ideas../

first, I am a massive acolyte of "Respondeat Superior" in every area of human endeavor.

But I would relish a full analysis of the American Foreign Policy problem, of which Afghanistan is a "mere" subset

I subscribe to kaizen, among many other analytical tools.

But this problem needs enough whys to go back into all US incursions into Afghanistan, directly or indirectly.

.https://kanbanize.com/lean-management/improvement/5-whys-analysis-tool

Agreed, so let's have at it.

But we need enough whys to understand why we were there in the first place
and enough inquiry to delve into the origins and affiliations of al qaeda and its very origins.

Are American fingerprints and money on al qaeda????

Again, the vulgus leaps to lynch a villain.

High emotional satisfaction, which solves nothing and does nothing to prevent a repeat of the same syndrome.

So what and WHY are the ideas that put us in this postiion?
Are we interested in changing them or more interested in repeating them?

Or do we do what the OT knuckleheads.. did and just find a scapegoat?.

That FEELS good but solves nothing. Principles and Values and Execution solve things.
 
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