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Great day for the Taliban and Jimmy Carter.
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Great day for the Taliban and Jimmy Carter.
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Luckily, though we live in civilization.
The land of law and order. rule of law.
Respect for the Blue, especially the Capital Police.
These Taliban THUGS with their gratutious violence could not get away with this in the US!
.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/photos-trump-supporters-storm-capitol/617577/
Taliban savages!!
The land of law and order. rule of law.
Respect for the Blue, especially the Capital Police.
These Taliban THUGS with their gratutious violence could not get away with this in the US!
.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/photos-trump-supporters-storm-capitol/617577/
Taliban savages!!
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Article from back in April
Harris says she had key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal decision
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/harris-afghanistan-biden-withdrawal-decision-484581
Harris says she had key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal decision
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/harris-afghanistan-biden-withdrawal-decision-484581
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Uhhhh comparing any group of Americans to the Taliban right now isn't the move, Chief. Lol.
Since you mention the Capital Police though, I will be honest with ya, I dont think anyone has ever had a special respect for them. I'm guessing the average bear on the street historically has not even heard of them.
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Passionate bad asses, playing at home usually beat up on the
weak, foreign supported.
It's what our REAL PATRIOTS did to King George, his tea and cornwallis.
You can't back the wrong horse.
Thieu and Ky? Really, Uncle Ho was beloved, and for my own vote, if some GI had gone up into Saigon and popped those two, I would have recommended them for the CMH, UCMJ be damned.
Iran. the Shah was a dickhead. How'd that workout. Natives beat up a foreign puppet just like in 'Merica
Take Castro over Bautista and lay the points.
Contras? really? Could they even get a back door cover against the sandinistas?
Ashraf GhanI? Really. could he be any more Paul Bremer with a fez or whatever that thing is on his head.
Home games, home teams.
And the more motivated team usually wins...
Ghani had as much ability to motivate men as Fat Cholly Weiss or Norfv Turner..
weak, foreign supported.
It's what our REAL PATRIOTS did to King George, his tea and cornwallis.
You can't back the wrong horse.
Thieu and Ky? Really, Uncle Ho was beloved, and for my own vote, if some GI had gone up into Saigon and popped those two, I would have recommended them for the CMH, UCMJ be damned.
Iran. the Shah was a dickhead. How'd that workout. Natives beat up a foreign puppet just like in 'Merica
Take Castro over Bautista and lay the points.
Contras? really? Could they even get a back door cover against the sandinistas?
Ashraf GhanI? Really. could he be any more Paul Bremer with a fez or whatever that thing is on his head.
Home games, home teams.
And the more motivated team usually wins...
Ghani had as much ability to motivate men as Fat Cholly Weiss or Norfv Turner..
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https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f
At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America’s longest war. Ordinary Americans tended to forget about it, and it received measurably less oversight from Congress than the Vietnam War did. But its death toll is in the many tens of thousands. And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off.
As the Taliban in a lightning offensive recapture much of the country before the United States’ Aug. 31 deadline for ending its combat role, and the U.S. speeds up American and Afghan evacuations, here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers.
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Much of the data below is from Linda Bilmes of Harvard University’s Kennedy School and from the Brown University Costs of War project. Because the United States between 2003 and 2011 fought the Afghanistan and Iraq wars simultaneously, and many American troops served tours in both wars, some figures as noted cover both post-9/11 U.S. wars.
THE LONGEST WAR:
Percentage of U.S. population born since the 2001 attacks plotted by al-Qaida leaders who were sheltering in Afghanistan: Roughly one out of every four.
THE HUMAN COST:
American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
U.S. contractors: 3,846.
Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.
Afghan civilians: 47,245.
Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
Aid workers: 444.
Journalists: 72.
AFGHANISTAN AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS OF U.S. OCCUPATION:
Percentage drop in infant mortality rate since U.S., Afghan and other allied forces overthrew the Taliban government, which had sought to restrict women and girls to the home: About 50.
Percentage of Afghan teenage girls able to read today: 37.
OVERSIGHT BY CONGRESS:
Date Congress authorized U.S. forces to go after culprits in Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: Sept. 18, 2001.
Number of times U.S. lawmakers have voted to declare war in Afghanistan: 0.
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Number of times lawmakers on Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee addressed costs of Vietnam War, during that conflict: 42
Number of times lawmakers in same subcommittee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars, through mid-summer 2021: 5.
Number of times lawmakers on Senate Finance Committee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars since Sept. 11, 2001, through mid-summer 2021: 1.
PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH:
Amount President Harry Truman temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Korean War: 92%.
Amount President Lyndon Johnson temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Vietnam War: 77%.
Amount President George W. Bush cut tax rates for the wealthiest, rather than raise them, at outset of Afghanistan and Iraq wars: At least 8%.
Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.
Estimated interest costs by 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.
THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON’T:
Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: more than $2 trillion.
Period those costs will peak: after 2048.
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At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America’s longest war. Ordinary Americans tended to forget about it, and it received measurably less oversight from Congress than the Vietnam War did. But its death toll is in the many tens of thousands. And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off.
As the Taliban in a lightning offensive recapture much of the country before the United States’ Aug. 31 deadline for ending its combat role, and the U.S. speeds up American and Afghan evacuations, here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers.
ADVERTISEMENT
Much of the data below is from Linda Bilmes of Harvard University’s Kennedy School and from the Brown University Costs of War project. Because the United States between 2003 and 2011 fought the Afghanistan and Iraq wars simultaneously, and many American troops served tours in both wars, some figures as noted cover both post-9/11 U.S. wars.
THE LONGEST WAR:
Percentage of U.S. population born since the 2001 attacks plotted by al-Qaida leaders who were sheltering in Afghanistan: Roughly one out of every four.
THE HUMAN COST:
American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
U.S. contractors: 3,846.
Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.
Afghan civilians: 47,245.
Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
Aid workers: 444.
Journalists: 72.
AFGHANISTAN AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS OF U.S. OCCUPATION:
Percentage drop in infant mortality rate since U.S., Afghan and other allied forces overthrew the Taliban government, which had sought to restrict women and girls to the home: About 50.
Percentage of Afghan teenage girls able to read today: 37.
OVERSIGHT BY CONGRESS:
Date Congress authorized U.S. forces to go after culprits in Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: Sept. 18, 2001.
Number of times U.S. lawmakers have voted to declare war in Afghanistan: 0.
ADVERTISEMENT
Number of times lawmakers on Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee addressed costs of Vietnam War, during that conflict: 42
Number of times lawmakers in same subcommittee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars, through mid-summer 2021: 5.
Number of times lawmakers on Senate Finance Committee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars since Sept. 11, 2001, through mid-summer 2021: 1.
PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH:
Amount President Harry Truman temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Korean War: 92%.
Amount President Lyndon Johnson temporarily raised top tax rates to pay for Vietnam War: 77%.
Amount President George W. Bush cut tax rates for the wealthiest, rather than raise them, at outset of Afghanistan and Iraq wars: At least 8%.
Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.
Estimated interest costs by 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.
THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON’T:
Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: more than $2 trillion.
Period those costs will peak: after 2048.
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Headline from CNN.com
Notice that it's the Pentagon spokesman talking about this and not Psaki? It wasn't but a month or so that Joe was thumping his chest that he was the only president, not Trump, Obama, Bush that could pull this off. Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
Notice that it's the Pentagon spokesman talking about this and not Psaki? It wasn't but a month or so that Joe was thumping his chest that he was the only president, not Trump, Obama, Bush that could pull this off. Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
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Somewhere out there Tony Blair is laughing at how so no one is mentioning what a clusterfuck of a job he did.
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Somewhere out there Tony Blair is laughing at how so no one is mentioning what a clusterfuck of a job he did.
Liberals trying to spin this pile of crap from Biden to Trump is really just pathetic. Biden has humiliated our country and made the world a more dangerous place.
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Oh, no, it's a team effort for sure - GW/Barry/Donny/Joe/Tony/NATO etc. Can go even further back.
Killing brown people in the desert is a Western past time.
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This was a huge unforced error. The attacks on Americans that will result from this will also fall on Biden. The plan was Biden's and it is terrible. They misread the situation and thought the Taliban wouldn't advance like they did and the Taliban caught us with our pants down. Now we have the Biden State Department pleading with terrorists to allow us to get our people out. Biden has been an absolute disaster.
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Somewhere out there Tony Blair is laughing at how so no one is mentioning what a clusterfuck of a job he did.
There's plenty of blame to go around, but the bottom line is this is Joe's problem, not Trump's, Obama's or Bushes. Joe knows exactly what took place before he took the oath. Rather than plan this thing out where lives wouldn't be put in immediate danger, we didn't need to send 6,000 troops sent back in and we leave millions of dollars of technology/equipment, Joe was looking for a quick boost to his presidency. Probably to compensate for the black eye he's gotten in wake of COVID-19.
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Wait, 30% approve of it or don't care?!?
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Even so, 70% don't like what's going on. I'm curious to the reason the 23% approve. Is it simply because we're getting out and they don't care what the ramifications are? Our friends that sit on the left side of the fence, what's your thoughts?
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I have no doubt that plenty of people are glad we're out and whatever happens happens. You'd think by now we'd have learned how this goes because it happens every damn time we leave.
Might be a good idea to not start these wars anymore, but folks have yachts to pay for.
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I suspect the 30% that approve like the simple no endless wars slogans, but the reality is that we were providing security and preventing the Taliban from having a country. We kept young women from being sex slaves, cooperative Afghan civilians from being murdered, women from being subject to Taliban treatment of women, and prevented the nasty humanitarian nightmare we have now. We also reduced the likelihood of attacks stemming from a terrorist state in Afghanistan and had a strategic location for a base in Bagram. We also had thousands of dangerous prisoners locked up there. Not now.
This exit has been deeply flawed. Trump wanted out but at least took the advice from the people who know stuff. Biden ignored them and displayed his ignorance in front of the world in July. Now good people in Afghanistan are getting their homes raided, murdered, and are willing to cling to an airplane for a chance at escaping the Taliban. This is not Saigon, it's far worse. Thousands and thousands of people need evacuating and help is hard to find. Now we have reports of fire fighting at the airport.
We'll see Biden shift and hide from responsibility and play the stupid blame game as Gen Milley tells congress that our terror threat is increasing. I should flag this post for the sad day we say I told you so and Biden's negligence lands us an attack or another war back in Afghanistan. Partisan blue teamers will tout the lines and blame Trump, but the media has even been asking questions this week tougher than ice cream, so there is that. Good week for Psaki to go AWOL.
China is mocking Biden on Taiwan and the rest of the Middle East just flipped Biden the bird. We are a laughing stock under this weak President.
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Doesn't matter. It's Biden's problem and he's going to have to handle it. Blame really doesn't matter.
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Sending in thousands of soldiers to secure the airport seems like a logical first step to at least minimize the casualties, but they appear logistically challenged to get the people out. They weren't prepared. hope his speech addresses the veterans of Afghanistan and promotes mental health/suicide prevention as many veterans are struggling with this.
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So saddened by this mess.
Close to 160 Canadian soldiers killed, many more U.S. soldiers killed.
Pisses me off. The world stands back and judges the withdrawal but won't participate in the policing/political/military exercises that Afghanistan required for democracy. Perhaps democracy was never the end game. I don't know anymore.
I feel horrible for any Afghani that opposed the Taliban and that will be left behind.
We all failed miserably. I am saddened by the mass exodus at the Kabul airport. Not blaming Biden or the U.S. There is plenty of blame to go around. It seems pretty easy to be virtuous when you don't have any skin in the game.
I can only imagine that things in Afghanistan and increased radicalism is going to get much worse globally.
Cheers and Go Irish!!
Close to 160 Canadian soldiers killed, many more U.S. soldiers killed.
Pisses me off. The world stands back and judges the withdrawal but won't participate in the policing/political/military exercises that Afghanistan required for democracy. Perhaps democracy was never the end game. I don't know anymore.
I feel horrible for any Afghani that opposed the Taliban and that will be left behind.
We all failed miserably. I am saddened by the mass exodus at the Kabul airport. Not blaming Biden or the U.S. There is plenty of blame to go around. It seems pretty easy to be virtuous when you don't have any skin in the game.
I can only imagine that things in Afghanistan and increased radicalism is going to get much worse globally.
Cheers and Go Irish!!
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I think the handle broke. When one side wants to blame and blame, they set themselves up for blame when it's their turn. Turn about fair play. As I mentioned before, I have no problem with getting out, but this should have been planned out for a slow and quiet withdrawal over the course of a year or so.
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My ten-year-old still blames the umpire when he strikes out. My President still blames a straw man when he botches military operations. The whole speech was based on a lie and false premise. It wasn't nation-building or leave. It looked like he still doesn't know what the hell is going on. "Our diplomatic presence is now consolidated at the airport." was the only honest and sad moment of an otherwise deceptive speech. At least people might wake up to the idea that a POTUS candidate not taking questions or addressing his stance on issues is dangerous.