B1G Discussion Thread

[dublinirish]

Nick Saban:

“I think that the SEC was the SEC because of the culture in the South. There wasn’t professional football in the South for a long time, and everybody related to the colleges. Well, now that doesn’t matter,” Saban added. “I mean, kids grew up wanting to go to LSU, Alabama and Georgia. Got the money now. They don’t mind going to Ohio State. They don’t mind going to other places.

“So, that geographic advantage that the Southeast Conference may be changing a little bit now, with the different culture, with NIL and the money involved in decision-making. I think that’s created a bit of an edge for the Big Ten.”

Southern culture? If he means "fuck the rules" culture, sure, that helped, but it was simple demographics, Nick, not primarily culture. They had the local talent all along. First they had to integrate their universities and football teams, then they had to learn to win.

I don't think anybody ever "minded" going to Northern powers.

Does the Big Ten have the NIL advantage over the SEC? I'd be surprised. The Big Ten has plenty of mediocre to bad programs who likely spend relatively little. There was a brief moment in time when my Spartans had a couple sports crazy billionaire alums supporting the teams, but the NBA put an end to that. Now they're among the poors, too. It seems Nick thinks the modern Big Ten is eighteen Oregons.

Saban is a clown if he thinks kids were choosing to SEC schools purely because of their amazing cultures and not bags of cash

 

[ab2cmiller]

Saban is a clown if he thinks kids were choosing to SEC schools purely because of their amazing cultures and not bags of cash

If the money is the same, most kids who grow up in SEC country would prefer to play in the SEC. That shouldn't be a shocking statement.

 

[SWirishfan]

My disdain for Penn State is at Michigan levels now.

*Checks Box* Jiggafini is a "No" for accepting the B10 invite to join

 

[SWirishfan]

Saban is a clown if he thinks kids were choosing to SEC schools purely because of their amazing cultures and not bags of cash

What is he going to say - I wasn't the Greatest CFB Coach Ever, just the greatest enabler of CFB money laundering?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wasn't there a time when the culture of the SEC meant that Bubba Smith had to go to Michigan State?

Saban needs to face facts that shit all went above board and the SEC lost their advantage. Such is life. Rather than adapt, he called it quits. I can't say for a second I blame him.

I'm all for a power shift in any other direction at this point. I got sick of hearing about the SEC's dominance when it was basically centered around four programs and one Cam Newton season.

 

[SportsingHard]

Wasn't there a time when the culture of the SEC meant that Bubba Smith had to go to Michigan State?

Saban needs to face facts that shit all went above board and the SEC lost their advantage. Such is life. Rather than adapt, he called it quits. I can't say for a second I blame him.

I'm all for a power shift in any other direction at this point. I got sick of hearing about the SEC's dominance when it was basically centered around four programs and one Cam Newton season.

Yes, but Bubba was Texan, so SWC culture was more relevant, and MSU was the first Northern school to pursue Black players en masse, more than a decade before Bubba, so it was really an American culture issue at one point.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Yes, but Bubba was Texan, so SWC culture was more relevant, and MSU was the first Northern school to pursue Black players en masse, more than a decade before Bubba, so it was really an American culture issue at one point.

SEC culture this century was they got wise to what Florida State, Miami and USC were doing. Once those power houses of cards fell, Meyer's Florida, Saban's Alabama, LSU and UGA filled the void. It's been documented, then and now, what was going on in Gainesville under Meyer.

I just find it fascinating that post Covid, with NIL and the Portal, the last two champions have shifted north. Saban's last championship and unbeaten season just happened to be 2020. UGA briefly filled his void and even they are not as dominant as they were in 21 and 22.

Pro sports isn't really a big thing in the southeast, I'll give him that, but it would seem to all of us here that those big dogs in the SEC were running bag men from the Bayou to the Swamp. Dabo snuck a couple in there and Auburn had their moments. Feels like Saban wants to talk about how the game needs fixed a lot now that he's no longer in it.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Nick Saban:

“I think that the SEC was the SEC because of the culture in the South. There wasn’t professional football in the South for a long time, and everybody related to the colleges. Well, now that doesn’t matter,” Saban added. “I mean, kids grew up wanting to go to LSU, Alabama and Georgia. Got the money now. They don’t mind going to Ohio State. They don’t mind going to other places.

“So, that geographic advantage that the Southeast Conference may be changing a little bit now, with the different culture, with NIL and the money involved in decision-making. I think that’s created a bit of an edge for the Big Ten.”

Southern culture? If he means "fuck the rules" culture, sure, that helped, but it was simple demographics, Nick, not primarily culture. They had the local talent all along. First they had to integrate their universities and football teams, then they had to learn to win.

I don't think anybody ever "minded" going to Northern powers.

Does the Big Ten have the NIL advantage over the SEC? I'd be surprised. The Big Ten has plenty of mediocre to bad programs who likely spend relatively little. There was a brief moment in time when my Spartans had a couple sports crazy billionaire alums supporting the teams, but the NBA put an end to that. Now they're among the poors, too. It seems Nick thinks the modern Big Ten is eighteen Oregons.

"There wasn't professional football in the South for a long time"
-Nick finally owning up to his Dolphins stint

 

[zelezo vlk]

 

[drayer54]

What if Oregon isn’t that good. That PSU win isn’t looking as impressive now.

 

[MPClinton22]

What if Oregon isn’t that good. That PSU win isn’t looking as impressive now.

And prior to that, they beat absolutely no one with a pulse. And giving a lot of credit for winning a Penn State white-out game is a big mistake - Penn State loses more of those than they win

 

[Irish#1]

I wouldn’t say it’s like teaching a dog to talk, but you have to tip your hat to Cignetti. This year is showing that last year wasn’t a fluke.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Honestly, last year seemed like a paper tiger situation with IU. Coming out and repeating it, with a huge road W in Eugene, that's attention-getting stuff. I do think the jury is still out on Oregon with how PSU has crumbled, but that's not an easy place to play and win by two scores.

Props to Coach Cig, even though his scheduling model is absolutely cowardly.

 

[ab2cmiller]

And prior to that, they beat absolutely no one with a pulse. And giving a lot of credit for winning a Penn State white-out game is a big mistake - Penn State loses more of those than they win

That is patently false.

Going into this year's game they were 13-8 in white out games. Winning their last 6 games in a row and 8 out of the last 9. I have no idea how good Oregon is this year, but acting like winning a white out game is a nothing burger is a bit over the top.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Indiana Football isn't somehow new money? Really?

I might actually be pulling for Ohio State to beat them come December. I will give them full props for going to Oregon and winning, but this is by far and away the best win they've had under Cignetti. Notre Dame and Ohio State rolled him over last year. They both made the championship game and Ohio State hammered Oregon on their way there.

Ohio State is going to be the bar for Cignetti. Certainly was for James Franklin and everyone else.

 

[SportsingHard]

And prior to that, they beat absolutely no one with a pulse. And giving a lot of credit for winning a Penn State white-out game is a big mistake - Penn State loses more of those than they win

Ignoring white out issues and games against then-#3 and now-#3, Oregon's first 4 games included 2 power conference teams + a recent power conference program good enough to face ND in a bowl just a year prior to our NCG. That's a better season-opening slate than many teams, and they outscored those opponents 203-37 while getting CFB's second-longest-tenured coach fired. It's not like Oregon scheduled a bunch of home games vs Northern Illinois, Marshall, etc.

All told, Oregon's SOS ranks 12th according to the most easily accessible up-to-date model, and F+ composite efficiency rankings still have Oregon #2 in the country.

 

[dublinirish]

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[Sea Turtle]

Indiana Football isn't somehow new money? Really?

I might actually be pulling for Ohio State to beat them come December. I will give them full props for going to Oregon and winning, but this is by far and away the best win they've had under Cignetti. Notre Dame and Ohio State rolled him over last year. They both made the championship game and Ohio State hammered Oregon on their way there.

Ohio State is going to be the bar for Cignetti. Certainly was for James Franklin and everyone else.

Indiana Football isn't somehow new money? Really?

I might actually be pulling for Ohio State to beat them come December. I will give them full props for going to Oregon and winning, but this is by far and away the best win they've had under Cignetti. Notre Dame and Ohio State rolled him over last year. They both made the championship game and Ohio State hammered Oregon on their way there.

Ohio State is going to be the bar for Cignetti. Certainly was for James Franklin and everyone else.

If Notre Dame is able to make the Playoff, I think Indiana beats them in a rematch in Bloomington.

 

[Irish2155]

If Notre Dame is able to make the Playoff, I think Indiana beats them in a rematch in Bloomington.

I’d prefer to avoid them. Although, I think ND would win.

 

[Bane]

Props to Coach Cig, even though his scheduling model is absolutely cowardly.

He even Googled it since Googling shit is apparently a hobby of his. That's why I don't think he would take a job like Florida. He would Google their schedule and politely decline. PSU on the other hand, he can keep the current scheduling model of 8-9 tomato cans, 1-2 teams with pulse, and 1-2 hard games.

 

[Bane]

Indiana Football isn't somehow new money? Really?

I might actually be pulling for Ohio State to beat them come December. I will give them full props for going to Oregon and winning, but this is by far and away the best win they've had under Cignetti. Notre Dame and Ohio State rolled him over last year. They both made the championship game and Ohio State hammered Oregon on their way there.

Ohio State is going to be the bar for Cignetti. Certainly was for James Franklin and everyone else.

Oh I'll definitely cheer for OSU. No question about it.

 

[Irish2155]

Oh I'll definitely cheer for OSU. No question about it.

Why?

 

[Bane]

Why?

Because I hate Cignetti and OSU winning another bigish game is nothing to me at this point.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Why?

I would because I see more likelihood 2 loss OSU gets ranked ahead of us than a two loss Indiana.

 

[Irish2155]

I would because I see more likelihood 2 loss OSU gets ranked ahead of us than a two loss Indiana.

This I can get behind.

Straight hate on IU and Cig I can’t. Why not give someone little props?

 

[Bane]

This I can get behind.

Straight hate on IU and Cig I can’t. Why not give someone little props?

I don't hate IU, I don't care about them at all. I hate Cig because he's an arrogant prick and a fake tough guy. I don't like or respect his get down whatsoever, that doesn't mean he's a bad coach. I can recognize he took a dead program and gave them life, that doesn't mean I like him. I root against IU in every game this season and will until Cig is in Happy Valley or wherever else next year or beyond.

 

[Bane]

I hate all of these coaches:
Kirby Smart
Curt Cignetti
Ryan Day
Brian Kelly

In Valhalla now:
James Franklin

If Franklin was still active he slot in above BK. So yes, last year's postseason was glorious for me and almost a clean sweep of every coach I hate in the sport.

I dislike more than that, but those are the ones I just loathe.

 

[SportsingHard]

This I can get behind.

Straight hate on IU and Cig I can’t. Why not give someone little props?

I hate all of these coaches:
Kirby Smart
Curt Cignetti
Ryan Day
Brian Kelly

In Valhalla now:
James Franklin

If Franklin was still active he slot in above BK. So yes, last year's postseason was glorious for me and almost a clean sweep of every coach I hate in the sport.

I dislike more than that, but those are the ones I just loathe.

I'm with both of you. I'm generally not a hater, to the point USC hate week is a bit of a drag for me, but if I was going to pick a list of coaches to hate, I'd just go with Bane's selections.

 

[Irish2155]

I don't hate IU, I don't care about them at all. I hate Cig because he's an arrogant prick and a fake tough guy. I don't like or respect his get down whatsoever, that doesn't mean he's a bad coach. I can recognize he took a dead program and gave them life, that doesn't mean I like him. I root against IU in every game this season and will until Cig is in Happy Valley or wherever else next year or beyond.

Fair. To each there own. My college coach (arrogant, fake tough guy, prick) reminds me a lot of Cig. And we we played in 6 CWS in a row finishing 2, 3, and 5 in the country.

You don’t need to appreciate or respect anything. Just pay some respect where due

 

[MPClinton22]

That is patently false.

Going into this year's game they were 13-8 in white out games. Winning their last 6 games in a row and 8 out of the last 9. I have no idea how good Oregon is this year, but acting like winning a white out game is a nothing burger is a bit over the top.

Fair enough on the winning streak prior to this year, and I certainly used a bit of hyperbole in my previous comment - but don't forget, those 6 straight games were against:

9-4 Michigan
6-7 Auburn
10-4 Minnesota (10 wins isn't nothing, but it's still Minnesota)
10-4 Iowa (who finished the year by losing 0-61 in back to back games)
6-7 Washington
SMU

It had become something of a pattern that their white out games came against average to good teams, but not elite. Prior to that, they notoriously lost many of them to top teams - winning 7 of 15, and losing basically every time a top 10 team came to town (with the 1 win against OSU on the blocked FG, which admittedly was an incredible game and a good performance, although that OSU team got blanked in the CFP and lost 31-0 to Clemson)

Not taking anything away from the atmosphere they create and how unique it is in the sport - if it weren't filled with PSU fans, I'd love to experience it some day. I'm just saying, prior to this stretch of average to above average teams that they have feasted on, the white out didn't create any sort of incredible home field advantage for them against top teams.