Another Shooting

[Irish#1]

Fuck off this person wasn’t a criminal. They had access and made a decision.

They became a criminal when they pulled the trigger.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They became a criminal when they pulled the trigger.

Yea they did. They were NOT ONE BEFORE.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It’s the fucking guns

 

[Irish#1]

Yea they did. They were NOT ONE BEFORE.

So what's your point? Most of these school shooting were carried out by someone with no previous record.

The minute they started thinking about doing this, it probably became conspiracy. This would make it a crime and therefore make them a criminal before the act.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So what's your point? Most of these school shooting were carried out by someone with no previous record.

The minute they started thinking about doing this, it probably became conspiracy. This would make it a crime and therefore make them a criminal before the act.

What’s your point? Thoughts are crimes now? Is someone a criminal if they think about doing something? Do you actually have to think about doing it before you do it? No. The end all is they had access to guns and acted on whatever was their motivation or impulse. That is when they became a criminal. Even then our justice system allows purported criminals to stand trial for their reported crimes and they aren’t a criminal until convicted. Active shooters are generally killed before they can avail themselves of this part of the judicial system (Like the Charleston shooter did) which I have zero problems with them being killed to stop them from killing anyone else.

 

[drayer54]

It’s the fucking guns

Ohh ok! A comedian talking about drag queens. Great job, guess everything is OK now.

Guns are a tool used by criminals. The right to self-defense is a fundamental right, and that goes with the proper equipment to do so. Self-defense in the era of Defund the Police, failure to prosecute, bail relief, school discipline reform, and more is essential. The cities aren't safe, and neither is the border. People NEED self-defense plus, it is a fundamental right.

When authoritarian nanny staters want to attack the right to keep and bear arms, there is no debate on their stupid ideas to weaken the political opposition, bankrupt gun companies, and alienate normal people who own a gun.

It's not the guns. Left-wing authoritarians who want to attack my freedom are a bigger threat to me than any gun. So no, fuck gun control and the assholes who think they can use simple bans to end this problem.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ohh ok! A comedian talking about drag queens. Great job, guess everything is OK now.

Guns are a tool used by criminals. The right to self-defense is a fundamental right, and that goes with the proper equipment to do so. Self-defense in the era of Defund the Police, failure to prosecute, bail relief, school discipline reform, and more is essential. The cities aren't safe, and neither is the border. People NEED self-defense plus, it is a fundamental right.

When authoritarian nanny staters want to attack the right to keep and bear arms, there is no debate on their stupid ideas to weaken the political opposition, bankrupt gun companies, and alienate normal people who own a gun.

It's not the guns. Left-wing authoritarians who want to attack my freedom are a bigger threat to me than any gun. So no, fuck gun control and the assholes who think they can use simple bans to end this problem.

It’s the fucking guns. How many children have to die?

I saw something yesterday that said Sandy Hook was the exact moment we lost the gun regulation battle because that was the moment where we as a country tolerated kids being killed in schools.

Your right to own guns is less important than a kid’s right to life and coming home from school. Sorry not sorry. I own guns so am I stil a leftist activist?

 

[Irish#1]

What’s your point? Thoughts are crimes now? Is someone a criminal if they think about doing something? Do you actually have to think about doing it before you do it? No. The end all is they had access to guns and acted on whatever was their motivation or impulse. That is when they became a criminal. Even then our justice system allows purported criminals to stand trial for their reported crimes and they aren’t a criminal until convicted. Active shooters are generally killed before they can avail themselves of this part of the judicial system (Like the Charleston shooter did) which I have zero problems with them being killed to stop them from killing anyone else.

Well they have charged criminals with conspiracy after they discover proof they were planning their crime, so there is that. It's also important to remember that you don't have to have a record to be a criminal. The person that steals a car, breaks into a home, etc. and never gets caught is still a criminal.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Well they have charged criminals with conspiracy after they discover proof they were planning their crime, so there is that. It's also important to remember that you don't have to have a record to be a criminal. The person that steals a car, breaks into a home, etc. and never gets caught is still a criminal.

So bad people doing bad things? Being a criminal doesn’t = you are going to one day kill a bunch of kids with large capacity guns. In any event we have no evidence this shooter has been a criminal before this event so you are just a priori demonizing this person. We don’t know what their motivation or impulse was yet. I believe there was a manifesto but writing a manifesto doesn’t mean they are a bad person by default. Many reasons could cause a person to snap. In this instance it might likely be a result of the long term turmoil of their gender dysphoria and not having a positive environment (if the the unconfirmed rumor is true).

 

[GATTACA!]

1) no thanks to a gun registry. It's not your business or the governments as to what guns I have. Further, we got 400 million in circulation. You want the police or national guard going door to door searching homes looking for guns? That will go great!

2) pretty sure the background check is a federal deal.

3) sounds a whole lot like infringement. Not sure why you want someone to wait multiple weeks to own a hunting rifle (a low volume weapon) while making a would-be hand gun owner wait only a week? Arbitrary and capricious.

4) we have rules on gun ownership already.

1- Unconstitutional Chinese "esque" nanny state bullshit. NO
2- Unconstitutional Chinese "esque" nanny state bullshit. NO
3- Unconstitutional Chinese "esque" nanny state, tiered rights bullshit. NO
4- Unconstitutional Chinese "esque" nanny state bullshit. NO and where is your license to speak? Such anti-freedom rhetoric should require a license...

So when people talk about how you guys care more about yourselves and your guns than the lives of little kids and you all act all indignant, this is exactly what they’re talking about.

Absolutely zero desire to work towards anything resembling a solution to little kids being used as target practice.

 

[GowerND11]

School shootings will never end, not until they're fortified and they're no longer easy targets. It should be impossible for someone to enter a school with a gun, and there should be plenty of deterrents like armed guard(s) on the premises.

So you want our schools to look like prisons? Please, do not conflate this with me saying, "you want our schools to be prisons." I am saying, your solution to school shootings is to make them LOOK like prisons...

I mean we're talking about the US FUCKING A, the supposed greatest nation on Earth to ever exist, and people want our children to be walking past armed guards to learn how to read, write, add, subtract, and interact in positive ways??? This sounds like a school in Somalia.

 

[Free Manera]

This is meant to be a legit nonpartisan question - has anyone ever seen statistics on how often guns make a difference in self defense situations? Like you would think places like Texas have less armed robberies and murders per capita because so many people carry.

Obviously something has to change, but I don't know where I fall on that topic yet. There is a mental health aspect, there is a gun availability aspect, and a hundred others. But I'm to the point where I want something drastic done because one kid killed in a school is too many.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is meant to be a legit nonpartisan question - has anyone ever seen statistics on how often guns make a difference in self defense situations? Like you would think places like Texas have less armed robberies and murders per capita because so many people carry.

Obviously something has to change, but I don't know where I fall on that topic yet. There is a mental health aspect, there is a gun availability aspect, and a hundred others. But I'm to the point where I want something drastic done because one kid killed in a school is too many.

There are plenty. I don’t have time to pull them but there plenty. It was just published that te states with lax to no gun restrictions have murder rates percapita above the livers blue states. Fact. Add in the fact that literally EVERY other modern industrialized country on the planet has more restrictive gun access laws, they are less religious, have the same or worse video games, their buildings have accessible unlocked side doors, non bulletproof backpacks, non armored white boards in classrooms and non armed teachers and security guards, and drag shows, ….. and their mass shootings in schools are literally zero. So in this country it’s the fucking guns and easy access to them enabled by tiny dick low e politicians who make shit tons of money from lobbyists. Period. The tiny dick low e people break their backs bending over for the money and will make up whatever shit they can to protect their fuck buddies. That’s why whenever they open their twat mouths it’s thoughts and prayers and whatever reason du jour they can sell

Yo those saying it’s criminals doing it that just isn’t true. Being a bad person or a previous criminal doesn’t mean you will pickup a gun and decide to to ona spree. These people have a profile we know very well and most are in need of mental health help or just snap on a impulse and lose it. At that point the access and availability to get high capacity easily accessible armaments is the issue.

 

[NorthDakota]

So when people talk about how you guys care more about yourselves and your guns than the lives of little kids and you all act all indignant, this is exactly what they’re talking about.

Absolutely zero desire to work towards anything resembling a solution to little kids being used as target practice.

The colonists fought a war over this and put it on paper that the government cannot infringe on it. You bear the burden of convincing enough people.

But even if you were successful at convincing people... there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, do you honestly believe people are gonna register those?

You haven't explained either why I should be able to buy a handgun (something used exclusively for target practice or shooting people) on a shorter timeline than my Mosin Nagant bolt action?

These stupid (and often unconstitutional) proposals always show up in the wake of dead kids. Nothing currently to suggest ANY of your ideas would stop these types of shootings. Hell, you want to require training (proficiency!) to buy an AR lmaooo

 

[Irish#1]

So bad people doing bad things? Being a criminal doesn’t = you are going to one day kill a bunch of kids with large capacity guns. In any event we have no evidence this shooter has been a criminal before this event so you are just a priori demonizing this person. We don’t know what their motivation or impulse was yet. I believe there was a manifesto but writing a manifesto doesn’t mean they are a bad person by default. Many reasons could cause a person to snap. In this instance it might likely be a result of the long term turmoil of their gender dysphoria and not having a positive environment (if the the unconfirmed rumor is true).

No kidding? My point is you don't have to have a record to be a criminal. Demonizing this person? lol

The shooter is the guilty one, not the gun. When someone takes the time to plan and research a killing like this, they would find another way to pull this off if high capacity guns weren't available. Six people dead and it's not the shooters fault. smh

 

[Free Manera]

The colonists fought a war over this and put it on paper that the government cannot infringe on it. You bear the burden of convincing enough people.

But even if you were successful at convincing people... there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, do you honestly believe people are gonna register those?

You haven't explained either why I should be able to buy a handgun (something used exclusively for target practice or shooting people) on a shorter timeline than my Mosin Nagant bolt action?

These stupid (and often unconstitutional) proposals always show up in the wake of dead kids. Nothing currently to suggest ANY of your ideas would stop these types of shootings. Hell, you want to require training (proficiency!) to buy an AR lmaooo

This is another thing I'd like to see stats on because it seems like most of these mass shooters actually do buy the guns legitimately, or they take them from their parents. If they couldn't, would they go out on the streets and try to buy one? Maybe.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is another thing I'd like to see stats on because it seems like most of these mass shooters actually do buy the guns legitimately, or they take them from their parents. If they couldn't, would they go out on the streets and try to buy one? Maybe.

The current laws in most all states allow one to buy any amount of any type of gun easier than it is to vote. So as far as an argument goes this is very weak. Of course they will have lots of choices when guns are so easy to obtain, specifically in states where you don’t even need a license to own or carry in public.

In my state I have two options to buy a gun. I can obtain a Conceal carry license and at that point if it’s on file I can buy whatever I want and leave the store in minutes. The other option is I don’t have the CC license on file and I have to wait maybe an hour while they run my background. So at worst I’ll be out of the store when thin an hour with whatever I want.

Also access at home is another issue needing to address. The profile for these killers are typically disaffected young white males who have access to the arsenals their parents have or they are old enough to go buy them themselves.

We know what the issues are. No one wants to address them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

No kidding? My point is you don't have to have a record to be a criminal. Demonizing this person? lol

The shooter is the guilty one, not the gun. When someone takes the time to plan and research a killing like this, they would find another way to pull this off if high capacity guns weren't available. Six people dead and it's not the shooters fault. smh

Goddamn what is your problem. Of course it’s the shooters fault. The shooter was able to do that for several reasons the most important was is that they had the guns to do it. Planning out a murder spree with a kitchen knife isn’t going to go the way you think bro lmao ask that guy who got his handed to him by the eight girls.

 

[NorthDakota]

The current laws in most all states allow one to buy any amount of any type of gun easier than it is to vote. So as far as an argument goes this is very weak. Of course they will have lots of choices when guns are so easy to obtain, specifically in states where you don’t even need a license to own or carry in public.

I dont submit to a background check to vote. I give them my state ID, that's it.

 

[NorthDakota]

Goddamn what is your problem. Of course it’s the shooters fault. The shooter was able to do that for several reasons the most important was is that they had the guns to do it. Planning out a murder spree with a kitchen knife isn’t going to go the way you think bro lmao ask that guy who got his handed to him by the eight girls.

It must be very depressing to have this viewpoint. You can do things on the fringes, but screeching "ITS THE FUCKING GUNS" isn't gonna accomplish anything legally or practically.

 

[NorthDakota]

This is another thing I'd like to see stats on because it seems like most of these mass shooters actually do buy the guns legitimately, or they take them from their parents. If they couldn't, would they go out on the streets and try to buy one? Maybe.

My theory is the gun control nuts are aware of this. A gun registry does little/anything with regard to a school shooting, yet it comes up in discussion every time. I'm guessing these thing

Gataca wants people to have to buy other guns to purchase an AR-15.. I'm thinking he might be part of the gun lobby.

EDIT: Fixed Gataca's position.

 

[Armyirish47]

I dont submit to a background check to vote. I give them my state ID, that's it.

Wait for it....

 

[GATTACA!]

But even if you were successful at convincing people... there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, do you honestly believe people are gonna register those?

Give people a tax credits for registering guns they already own.

You haven't explained either why I should be able to buy a handgun (something used exclusively for target practice or shooting people) on a shorter timeline than my Mosin Nagant bolt action?

Caliber of the weapon and range you can kill people from. How many mass shooters have used handguns? Also this was a list I spitballed while taking a shit before bed to illustrate a bunch of ideas that could be implemented other than banning guns. Not an ironclad proposal.

Hell, you want to require training (proficiency!) to buy an AR lmaooo

Nope never said that.

 

[GATTACA!]

My theory is the gun control nuts are aware of this. A gun registry does little/anything with regard to a school shooting, yet it comes up in discussion every time. I'm guessing these thing

Gataca wants people to have mandatory AR 15 training... I'm thinking he might be part of the gun lobby.

Again never said that. What I did say was

You want an AR-15? Sorry but you need to have shown a history of responsible gun ownership.

Meaning you can't walk in off the street and have your first firearms purchase ever be an AR-15.

 

[NorthDakota]

Again never said that. What I did say was



Meaning you can't walk in off the street and have your first firearms purchase ever be an AR-15.

Apologies. Misread/attributed.

So you want to require people to own other guns? The government doesn't know if you or I own a gun. And since a gun registry isn't going to happen, how do you plan on this? Signing an affidavit that I own guns and haven't commit any crimes related to firearms?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf/view

FBI has active shooter profile that matches key facts in Texas elementary school mass killing

The profile of an active shooter suspect matches up over and over again, and FBI profilers already have that information available for local law enforcement hoping to intervene before an

www.waaytv.com

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2021-052422.pdf/view

Mass shootings by shooter’s race U.S. 2025| Statista

Between 1982 and August 2025, 84 out of the 155 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters.

www.statista.com

73% of all school shooters are white males

There are only 5 total school shootings in G7 countries.

 

[Irish#1]

Give people a tax credits for registering guns they already own.

Caliber of the weapon and range you can kill people from. How many mass shooters have used handguns? Also this was a list I spitballed while taking a shit before bed to illustrate a bunch of ideas that could be implemented other than banning guns. Not an ironclad proposal.

Nope never said that.

Do we think banning of assault type weapons would fix the problem? IMO, these people have some issues that are driving them and they will come up with another way to have multiple killings if something like an AR-15 isn't available whether it's using multiple handguns or homemade bombs.

Now more to your point about gun laws, as I've said before I'm in the middle. Other than target practice, what's the purpose of owning an AR-15? I don't see a waiting period as a big deal. There has to be some middle ground, but I don't know what it is.

 

[NorthDakota]

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf/view

FBI has active shooter profile that matches key facts in Texas elementary school mass killing

The profile of an active shooter suspect matches up over and over again, and FBI profilers already have that information available for local law enforcement hoping to intervene before an

www.waaytv.com

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2021-052422.pdf/view

Mass shootings by shooter’s race U.S. 2025| Statista

Between 1982 and August 2025, 84 out of the 155 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters.

www.statista.com

73% of all school shooters are white males

There are only 5 total school shootings in G7 countries.

That says 73 of 141, not 73%. Would be about 50%? That also says mass shootings, not school shootings.

Your own article says "Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole."

White people are the majority group in the US. White folks are by far the most likely to own guns or have them in their house. Men are far more likely than women to own guns. Men are far more inclined to use guns in criminal acts. White males should make up the bulk of school shootings.

 

[NorthDakota]

Do we think banning of assault type weapons would fix the problem? IMO, these people have some issues that are driving them and they will come up with another way to have multiple killings if something like an AR-15 isn't available whether it's using multiple handguns or homemade bombs.

Now more to your point about gun laws, as I've said before I'm in the middle. Other than target practice, what's the purpose of owning an AR-15? I don't see a waiting period as a big deal. There has to be some middle ground, but I don't know what it is.

The most violent school shooting in American history was carried out with handguns. 33 dead, 20+ wounded.

AR-15s have multiple functions. Target shooting, hunting, self-defense, the notorious tyrannical government scenario. Even so, a mini 14 is functionally the same thing I believe. Semi-automatic 5.56 rifle. Yet, people don't generally care about them (I'm guessing for aesthetic reasons).