ACC discussion thread

[DillonHall]

He said back in March that Notre Dame and Georgia Tech to the B1G has legs.

I'd rather take Clemson, but Georgia Tech might be my second choice

 

[Huntr]

I didn't see these posts and I guess posted in the wrong thread when I got home from work, but this is basically what I heard this afteroon


Someone is leaking something, question is whether it's for leverage or if it's legit. Regardless, the timing of that Jim Phillips post makes a lot of sense if someone just dropped an anvil on him.

So, here's a thing I didn't realize

CFP committee members

Carla Williams, UVA A.D., hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Dale]

The entire concept of the committe system makes zero sense. People with financial interests in the outcome decide the teams. Imagine explaining that to someone who had never heard of college football. People allege shadiness with the last few spots in March Madness (ex UNC getting in while Bubba was chair) but in the end there are so many teams and less money at stake. Football is millions more on the line and dozens less teams to assign that value to so every decision is a 8 figure decision being made.

 

[NDWarrior]

The SEC has committed to playing 10 P4 games. The B1G will either follow suit or see their SOS sink in comparison.

That means the PSU, Ole Miss, IUs of the world are all currently seeking future non-conference partners.

NDs issue is getting games in October - November.

Yeah, but if ND can negotiate a deal similar to the one w/ the ACC, it has to be a foregone conclusion that some of these games will be later in the season, just like we've played Miami, FSU, Clemson or any ACC team under the 5-team rotation in late Oct or early Nov plenty of times.

It's on the one off OOC home and home series that we get stuck playing them in late August or September.

 

[New Englander]

Seems like there’s two real paths forward:

1. Accept ND only gets in as an undefeated or 1-loss team. Schedule a couple tough games to make the schedule respectable, but don’t go overboard. This is fine, but long-term probably makes the NBC contract / independence a tough sell with too many meaningless games.

2. Be very strategic about finding leverage and going for it. Enter 3-game/year contracts with each of the B1G, Big 12, and SEC? Create a game on championship weekend where ND plays the highest ranked B1G/Big 12 team not in a CCG? Rework the financial incentives so that everyone in the committee isn’t aligned against ND?

I don’t know the answer, but I think there needs to be a balance between playing exciting games to maintain brand power and acknowledging the reality that we’re not winning any arguments behind closed doors in the committee without leverage.

 

[SWirishfan]

So....sorry not sorry

Sue for anti-disparagement, name the ACC, the ACCN, and individuals in addition to the conference in the suit. Include the lowly social media manager and the ACCN line up schedule too:
1. Our encouger les autres
2. They will cut deals and provide testimony in order to be released from the suit

Sure, ACC will likely cover those expenses, but more lawyers equals a dramatically escalated cost, accelerating its economic demise.

Burn them to the ground.

 

[peadeam]

So does anyone have any insight on what the AD’s PC is about today? Seems kinda odd to hold a PC to bitch about the playoffs

 

[drayer54]

So does anyone have any insight on what the AD’s PC is about today? Seems kinda odd to hold a PC to bitch about the playoffs

I’m hoping for some BIG news. Like 6 weeks a year BIG news.

 

[Irish#1]

I honestly have just lived my ND fan life with the assumption that ND will stay IND for as long as they possibly can. With that said, given how gigantic the B1G and SEC are and how much leverage they seem to have, is there a window of opportunity for ND that could close? I understand ND is a giant brand and they'd take us in willingly, but hypothetically, is there a point where the ND leaves the ACC and the B1G and SEC say no thanks? If they wanted to screw ND, that's exactly what they'd do. I don't see it happening. Just spitballing. Overconfidence can be a killer. Trying to cover all basis here for better understanding of the landscape.

I think any conference would willingly take ND at anytime. It's nothing but a plus regardless of when it would happen. Great leverage for the conference when negotiating new TV contracts.

 

[IrishTusker]

The entire concept of the committe system makes zero sense. People with financial interests in the outcome decide the teams. Imagine explaining that to someone who had never heard of college football. People allege shadiness with the last few spots in March Madness (ex UNC getting in while Bubba was chair) but in the end there are so many teams and less money at stake. Football is millions more on the line and dozens less teams to assign that value to so every decision is a 8 figure decision being made.

Correct. This is open, unapologetic corruption.

Bevacqua mentioned the 10:30 ET start at Stanford. Who made that decision? That was extremely bizarre.

 

[stpeteirish]

So....sorry not sorry

Sue for anti-disparagement, name the ACC, the ACCN, and individuals in addition to the conference in the suit. Include the lowly social media manager and the ACCN line up schedule too:
1. Our encouger les autres
2. They will cut deals and provide testimony in order to be released from the suit

Sure, ACC will likely cover those expenses, but more lawyers equals a dramatically escalated cost, accelerating its economic demise.

Burn them to the ground.

And they recently settled a lawsuit from Clemson and FSU about TV money. They definitely don’t want another lawsuit especially one where it’s about disparaging the member that helped them settle the last lawsuit.

 

[stpeteirish]

So does anyone have any insight on what the AD’s PC is about today? Seems kinda odd to hold a PC to bitch about the playoffs

Yeah we’ve gotten a tremendous amount of media coverage lately so a rehash doesn’t really make sense. Hopefully he actually tells us what he’s doing to avoid it from happening again (and again).

 

[Rasputin]

Guaranteed that ESPN and Jim Phillips will be intently watching today's press conference.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Most outsiders just don't get why the ACC's actions were so upsetting.

Seeing lots of posts stating aggravation/indignation that ND's showing their entitlement expecting the ACC to campaign on their behalf.

Posts along the line, of course the ACC was going to campaign on behalf of Miami and not ND because they aren't a member in football blah blah blah.

As Pete stated, of course we would expect the ACC to campaign on behalf of Miami. The problem was their entire campaign was targeting ND, who is a member in all other sports and has business relationship in football. What they did to ND was appallingly over the top on the ACC Network as well as on their social media account.

 

[Bane]

Most outsiders just don't get why the ACC's actions were so upsetting.

Seeing lots of posts stating aggravation/indignation that ND's showing their entitlement expecting the ACC to campaign on their behalf.

Posts along the line, of course the ACC was going to campaign on behalf of Miami and not ND because they aren't a member in football blah blah blah.

As Pete stated, of course we would expect the ACC to campaign on behalf of Miami. The problem was their entire campaign was targeting ND, who is a member in all other sports and has business relationship in football. What they did to ND was appallingly over the top on the ACC Network as well as on their social media account.

I think what a lot of non-ND fans miss is that we're not just a "partner" of the ACC for football, we're a full member in 20+ other sports and add a ton of value to the conference even only playing them 5x a year in football. Miami and Pitt both sold out "their" (the NFL stadiums they play in) stadiums out because of us. Pitt got their first sell out in 3 years and got Gameday for the first time in 20 years (last time was also an ND game).

I also never expected the ACC to advocate for us, and I didn't care they were advocating for Miami per se, but how they went about it rubbed me, Irish fans, and the team/administration the wrong way because:

-we were singled out and the ACC collapsed the decision into a black and white binary choice between us and them. They were doing this even when there were 7 teams between us and Miami in the initial ranking.

-they played the Miami/ND game on a loop for like 96 hours

-their little snarky, passive aggressive social media posts targeted specifically at us and only us

-Miami was the only team they ever fought for. In the initial rankings GT was undefeated iirc and leading the conference and was ranked down in the mid to high teens and the ACC never fought for them. You could say, "well if they won out they were guaranteed a spot in," but you would think an alleged P4 conference would be upset their conference leader was being vastly underranked by the committee, but nary a peep from them.

-and yes, we're not full football members, we are members in 20+ other sports and a close partner in football, to some degree our success helps them. Us getting into the playoffs with Miami helps the ACC because when we go to their little shitbox stadiums it generates more interest for them because we're coming off of another playoff appearance.

-and at the end of the day, they were in league with the committee to fuck us. They absolutely worked out some backroom deal to get a technical autobid by putting Miami in at the last minute once their shitty conference could vomit forth a real champion.

So in summary:
Fuck ESPN
Fuck Kirk Herbstreit
Fuck Jim Phillips
Fuck the ACC
Fuck Miami
Fuck Mario Cristobal and his lazy eye and mantits.

 

[Dale]

 

[rtrn2glory]

Not really anything we already didn't know, but good to put it on the record

 

[NDpendent]

I know crazy hypothetical fake conferences are annoying ... but if we were to create a new conference with 12 teams I would love

Two of TCU/Baylor/SMU (regional reasons)
Clemson, Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, Stanford, Pitt, Virginia (As an FU to the ACC and they are the best fits)
Vanderbilt, Northwestern (good fits)

 

[Pete]

Vandy got over $52 million from the SEC tv deal this past Feb. That fake conference you made up wouldn’t come close to that.

 

[Irishokie]

ACC should have AT LEAST alternated the FSU/Bama game with the ND/Mia game to appear “somewhat neutral”

 

[IrishSpartan]

So anyone else catch the thing said by Fortuna about leaked ACC emails? Supposedly ND was CC’d on ACC emails about lobbying against them

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So anyone else catch the thing said by Fortuna about leaked ACC emails? Supposedly ND was CC’d on ACC emails about lobbying against them

I think we're all waiting to here how that'll be used. Is this a scathing piece of evidence that gets presented when it goes to court? Or merely an embarrassing oopsie that revealed some people's true feelings?

 

[TracyGraham]

I think what a lot of non-ND fans miss is that we're not just a "partner" of the ACC for football, we're a full member in 20+ other sports and add a ton of value to the conference even only playing them 5x a year in football. Miami and Pitt both sold out "their" (the NFL stadiums they play in) stadiums out because of us. Pitt got their first sell out in 3 years and got Gameday for the first time in 20 years (last time was also an ND game).

I also never expected the ACC to advocate for us, and I didn't care they were advocating for Miami per se, but how they went about it rubbed me, Irish fans, and the team/administration the wrong way because:

-we were singled out and the ACC collapsed the decision into a black and white binary choice between us and them. They were doing this even when there were 7 teams between us and Miami in the initial ranking.

-they played the Miami/ND game on a loop for like 96 hours

-their little snarky, passive aggressive social media posts targeted specifically at us and only us

-Miami was the only team they ever fought for. In the initial rankings GT was undefeated iirc and leading the conference and was ranked down in the mid to high teens and the ACC never fought for them. You could say, "well if they won out they were guaranteed a spot in," but you would think an alleged P4 conference would be upset their conference leader was being vastly underranked by the committee, but nary a peep from them.

-and yes, we're not full football members, we are members in 20+ other sports and a close partner in football, to some degree our success helps them. Us getting into the playoffs with Miami helps the ACC because when we go to their little shitbox stadiums it generates more interest for them because we're coming off of another playoff appearance.

-and at the end of the day, they were in league with the committee to fuck us. They absolutely worked out some backroom deal to get a technical autobid by putting Miami in at the last minute once their shitty conference could vomit forth a real champion.

So in summary:
Fuck ESPN
Fuck Kirk Herbstreit
Fuck Jim Phillips
Fuck the ACC
Fuck Miami
Fuck Mario Cristobal and his lazy eye and mantits.

Fuck the SEC, ESPN, and ACC as a staff, conference, and as a motherfucking crew. And if you wanna be down with ESPN, SEC, ACC, then Fuck you too!

 

[TracyGraham]

The crazy thing to me is that we built so much cache, power, status, etc. over more than a century. To join a conference would be to just share it with the likes of Rutgers, Northwestern, Purdue, Maryland, Indiana or whoever.
How sad is Penn State or Nebraska? they are or are almost blue bloods that now are just another cog in the Big 10.
If anything we should team up with all the other similar teams as a confederation of independents. Would USC, Nebraska, PSU rather bow down to Michigan and OSU or be semi independent with us? Same with Oklahoma and Texas and other similar teams.They can't be happy sharing with the mediocre teams in their conference and deferring to Bama and Georgia.
I'm sure their current situation is lucrative, but there has to be another way to make it work.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Hot damn. I just read something that I hadn't come across yet: ND is required to share bowl money like any other ACC team with the only exceptions being CFP/Orange bowl. Can someone tell me if this is factual? If so, the maligning and intent to push Miami up and Notre Dame down takes on a slightly different hue. The decision not to play continues to make more sense to me, not less.

 

[Huntr]

Hot damn. I just read something that I hadn't come across yet: ND is required to share bowl money like any other ACC team with the only exceptions being CFP/Orange bowl. Can someone tell me if this is factual? If so, the maligning and intent to push Miami up and Notre Dame down takes on a slightly different hue. The decision not to play continues to make more sense to me, not less.

Yes, the minor bowl slots are actually "ACC (OR ND)" slots, meaning ND is taking up an ACC slot to be there. So, they share that revenue.

 

[irish4ever]

I think what a lot of non-ND fans miss is that we're not just a "partner" of the ACC for football, we're a full member in 20+ other sports and add a ton of value to the conference even only playing them 5x a year in football. Miami and Pitt both sold out "their" (the NFL stadiums they play in) stadiums out because of us. Pitt got their first sell out in 3 years and got Gameday for the first time in 20 years (last time was also an ND game).

I also never expected the ACC to advocate for us, and I didn't care they were advocating for Miami per se, but how they went about it rubbed me, Irish fans, and the team/administration the wrong way because:

-we were singled out and the ACC collapsed the decision into a black and white binary choice between us and them. They were doing this even when there were 7 teams between us and Miami in the initial ranking.

-they played the Miami/ND game on a loop for like 96 hours

-their little snarky, passive aggressive social media posts targeted specifically at us and only us

-Miami was the only team they ever fought for. In the initial rankings GT was undefeated iirc and leading the conference and was ranked down in the mid to high teens and the ACC never fought for them. You could say, "well if they won out they were guaranteed a spot in," but you would think an alleged P4 conference would be upset their conference leader was being vastly underranked by the committee, but nary a peep from them.

-and yes, we're not full football members, we are members in 20+ other sports and a close partner in football, to some degree our success helps them. Us getting into the playoffs with Miami helps the ACC because when we go to their little shitbox stadiums it generates more interest for them because we're coming off of another playoff appearance.

-and at the end of the day, they were in league with the committee to fuck us. They absolutely worked out some backroom deal to get a technical autobid by putting Miami in at the last minute once their shitty conference could vomit forth a real champion.

So in summary:
Fuck ESPN
Fuck Kirk Herbstreit
Fuck Jim Phillips
Fuck the ACC
Fuck Miami
Fuck Mario Cristobal and his lazy eye and mantits.

I totally agree. Nobody involved with ND football (AD, coaches, players, etc.) should ever do a discussion or full interview with ESPN or ABC (ever). Fuck 'em all and just walk away. Also, so that bastard Kirk Curbstreet feels some good 'ol anguish and emotional pain, I hope that all his fuckin' dogs die!!!

 

[LifelongFan]

Herbstriet only started forcing his dying dogs to go everywhere to remake his reputation because he was/is a serial cheater.

 

[IrishLax]

Hot damn. I just read something that I hadn't come across yet: ND is required to share bowl money like any other ACC team with the only exceptions being CFP/Orange bowl. Can someone tell me if this is factual? If so, the maligning and intent to push Miami up and Notre Dame down takes on a slightly different hue. The decision not to play continues to make more sense to me, not less.

Yes, it literally made them millions of dollars to push ND out in favor of Miami.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Herbstriet only started forcing his dying dogs to go everywhere to remake his reputation because he was/is a serial cheater.

I remember hearing rumors about that years ago. Never knew if it was true.