'24 TX S Oliver Miles (Texas Tech Verbal)

[Luckylucci]

The problem with DL recruiting isn’t the recruiting itself but the narrative that ND was going to take 6 or 7 guys.

Some times folks can’t separate ND would take 6 from ND needs to take 6. Numbers and wants are two very different things as far as structuring a depth chart.

NT is covered, you only recruit a guy that is better than what you have. Makes for a small list. Edge is covered. You only recruit a guy if he’s better than what you have. Again, makes for a small list.

There is not a numbers problem like there is at S. And, Spring made it even more apparent the bedwetting in the winter was premature.

 

[NDFAN2008]

That’s why ND needs better recruits.
I think O’Leary can develop them.
Tae Johnson, Miles & Ziglar have a lot of potential to develop.

The problem with DL recruiting isn’t the recruiting itself but the narrative that ND was going to take 6 or 7 guys.

Some times folks can’t separate ND would take 6 from ND needs to take 6. Numbers and wants are two very different things as far as structuring a depth chart.

NT is covered, you only recruit a guy that is better than what you have. Makes for a small list. Edge is covered. You only recruit a guy if he’s better than what you have. Again, makes for a small list.

There is not a numbers problem like there is at S. And, Spring made it even more apparent the bedwetting in the winter was premature.

I believe quite a few guys on DL will have their Covid years to take after this year just depends if they take it or not need most to take it

 

[Crazy Balki]

The problem with DL recruiting isn’t the recruiting itself but the narrative that ND was going to take 6 or 7 guys.

Some times folks can’t separate ND would take 6 from ND needs to take 6. Numbers and wants are two very different things as far as structuring a depth chart.

NT is covered, you only recruit a guy that is better than what you have. Makes for a small list. Edge is covered. You only recruit a guy if he’s better than what you have. Again, makes for a small list.

There is not a numbers problem like there is at S. And, Spring made it even more apparent the bedwetting in the winter was premature.

You're not wrong.

I wouldn't say I'm bedwetting about the DL recruiting situation, but I am questioning why we'd settle on such a low number, when last year's class was also pretty low at 4 or 5 (depending on what happens with Zinter).

4 is a number I'd go with if you landed 6-7 last year, but ND hasn't done that.

2021: Rubio, Onye, Kia
2022: Ford, Hinish, Gobaira, Burnham
2023: Vernon, Traore, Mukam, Houstan

ND has taken 3-4 guys in the last 3 classes. Those aren't good numbers, which is why I'm perplexed that ND would decide to stick with another low-number class, barring a Rushing or Scott wants to get on board. You don't want to just take bodies for the sake of bodies, but there should be more than just 4 realistic gets per year.

 

[INLaw]

Think we will see increasing used of multiple and three down fronts. Think that is part of it

 

[NDFAN2008]

You're not wrong.

I wouldn't say I'm bedwetting about the DL recruiting situation, but I am questioning why we'd settle on such a low number, when last year's class was also pretty low at 4 or 5 (depending on what happens with Zinter).

4 is a number I'd go with if you landed 6-7 last year, but ND hasn't done that.

2021: Rubio, Onye, Kia
2022: Ford, Hinish, Gobaira, Burnham
2023: Vernon, Traore, Mukam, Houstan

ND has taken 3-4 guys in the last 3 classes. Those aren't good numbers, which is why I'm perplexed that ND would decide to stick with another low-number class, barring a Rushing or Scott wants to get on board. You don't want to just take bodies for the sake of bodies, but there should be more than just 4 realistic gets per year.

I can see Rezac growing into a Vyper eventually but he would need to put on 40-50 lbs

 

[Crazy Balki]

I can see Rezac growing into a Vyper eventually but he would need to put on 40-50 lbs

I suppose, but Rezac needs to grow into LB size before him moving to Vyper is a possibility.

Also, Vyper seems to be good right now with Thomas and Mullins. ND needs, IMO, at least 1 more guy who can play SDE, because Young is probably going to outgrow end.

But it's all projections at this point, and frankly, ND could be trying to go bigger at end and go with more 3-down fronts. So guys like Young, Traore and Mukam, who we thought were going to move inside to 3T, could end up just being bigger ends like what Georgia does. Georgia's End position is generally manned buy guys in the 280-310 range.

 

[NDdomer2]

My current worries re: DL this season isn't numbers or quality, it's who can be a difference maker.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Think we will see increasing used of multiple and three down fronts. Think that is part of it

Looking at it, I agree.

I think ND took guys like Mukam, Traore and Vernon, because ND needs size at both big end and 3T. All three of them can play either spot in a 3-man front defense. We're used to having a 4-2-5 style front, where the big end is probably around 250-270. But in a 3-3-5/3-4, the big end is probably closer to 270-300. So while Mukam, Traore and Bryce Young may have been slated to bump inside after their growth spurt, Freeman may have them stay at end and that's just the profile moving forward.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Not to disrupt the ongoing discussion about everything but Miles, but I wanted to make an observation about...Miles?

This is obviously a great athlete evidenced by his football, basketball and track highlights. He's being tasked with playing QB, defense and kick return specialist for his high school because he's probably the best athlete in his school by a long shot. Obviously not a college QB, but he's playing there out of necessity for his high school program. Kirk Ferentz has made a living recruiting guys like this at Iowa. With the obvious need for safeties, his kick return abilities also intrigue me because if you can make up for things you lack within the margins, special teams is the place to do that. If Brian Mason taught us anything...

The Vanderbilt and Stanford interest speaks for itself. Texas Tech has done a great job early on in Joey McGuire's tenure because he coached high school ball in Texas and knows that circuit. He'll gladly go about and scoop up the dudes who can ball that Sark and Jimbo passed over because he knows the lay of the land. Having academic opportunities like Miles has minus the big P5 offers is a great leg up for ND, but you have to keep an eye on Tech with any prospects from Texas right now. McGuire is quietly going about his business without a lot of pomp and circumstance.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Mccain isn't even considering us I'm not sure why his name has been thrown around

 

[notredomer23]

Mccain isn't even considering us I'm not sure why his name has been thrown around

He's literally OVing to ND next weekend.

 

[IAIrish]

He's literally OVing to ND next weekend.

If he doesn't commit to o$u first

 

[Luckylucci]

In that article Loy also says that Miles to ND is no slam dunk with Texas Tech lurking.

So, next up is Ziglar. It’ll be a full two weeks from his OV to Mencke Jr’s. That strategy looks more and more bizaree as the days go by. I guess we’ll see.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

In that article Loy also says that Miles to ND is no slam dunk with Texas Tech lurking.

So, next up is Ziglar. It’ll be a full two weeks from his OV to Mencke Jr’s. That strategy looks more and more bizaree as the days go by. I guess we’ll see.

This probably seems crazy to ND fans on this board and others, but again, McGuire came up through the high school coaching ranks in Texas and worked at Baylor for both Rhule and Aranda. He went 8-5 last season, his first, and while that might not seem like anything special keep in mind that Texas Tech beat Houston and Texas to start the season last year and finished on a four game winning streak. They have a solid staff that knows how to recruit kids like Miles.

 

[zelezo vlk]

This probably seems crazy to ND fans on this board and others, but again, McGuire came up through the high school coaching ranks in Texas and worked at Baylor for both Rhule and Aranda. He went 8-5 last season, his first, and while that might not seem like anything special keep in mind that Texas Tech beat Houston and Texas to start the season last year and finished on a four game winning streak. They have a solid staff that knows how to recruit kids like Miles.

I would hope that we aren't dumb enough to know that for Texas kids and Texas high schools, having great relationships and connections make it easier to stay in-state even if it's for SCENIC Lubbock, Texas.

 

[EvilleIrish]

So now we are losing kids to Texas Tech? At what point do we become concerned about Freeman the recruiter?

 

[lcaps20]

So now we are losing kids to Texas Tech? At what point do we become concerned about Freeman the recruiter?

The same time we become concerned about EvilleIrish, the poster.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I would hope that we aren't dumb enough to know that for Texas kids and Texas high schools, having great relationships and connections make it easier to stay in-state even if it's for SCENIC Lubbock, Texas.

Hope in one hand and piss in the other. Let me know the results.

 

[Reaper97]

In that article Loy also says that Miles to ND is no slam dunk with Texas Tech lurking.

So, next up is Ziglar. It’ll be a full two weeks from his OV to Mencke Jr’s. That strategy looks more and more bizaree as the days go by. I guess we’ll see.

Ryan Roberts is back today from maternity vacation with his newborn, & has said the Safety recruiting situation is very strange and once it’s all over he will try to go over it, but he seems perplexed by it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Hope in one hand and piss in the other. Let me know the results.

I just pissed on everyone’s hope. Shoot sorry fellas


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[NDFAN2008]

Ryan Roberts is back today from maternity vacation with his newborn, & has said the Safety recruiting situation is very strange and once it’s all over he will try to go over it, but he seems perplexed by it.

Yeah strange for sure. They landed 0 guys in 2022, They landed 2 guys last class Minich and Schuler, and then the walk on who had offers from some decent schools who I think will actually be a good player for us. So that's 3 guys. Then Urlacher and Tae Johnson most likely so thats 5 guys in 3 classes.

Ohio State will have 9 scholarship safeties on their roster this year. We will have 7.
We lose Harper after this year, I believe DJ Brown could get a 6th year, Watts will have 1 year left after this year. Henderson will have 1 year same with Carter. Plus Schular and Minich. So you will have 5-6 guys who can come back after this year. So you should take most likley 4 guys in 2024 class. Like I said before Hobbs and Moore both can get moved or 1 move to safety. You should return every after this year at CB minus Hart so we have plenty of depth chart and the staff could always utilize the transfer portal at safety again.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[Luckylucci]

This probably seems crazy to ND fans on this board and others, but again, McGuire came up through the high school coaching ranks in Texas and worked at Baylor for both Rhule and Aranda. He went 8-5 last season, his first, and while that might not seem like anything special keep in mind that Texas Tech beat Houston and Texas to start the season last year and finished on a four game winning streak. They have a solid staff that knows how to recruit kids like Miles.

Doesn't seem crazy at all but to Zelezo's point, what's crazy would be this catching the staff by surprise or unprepared.

 

[stpeteirish]

Yeah strange for sure. They landed 0 guys in 2022, They landed 2 guys last class Minich and Schuler, and then the walk on who had offers from some decent schools who I think will actually be a good player for us. So that's 3 guys. Then Urlacher and Tae Johnson most likely so thats 5 guys in 3 classes.

Ohio State will have 9 scholarship safeties on their roster this year. We will have 7.
We lose Harper after this year, I believe DJ Brown could get a 6th year, Watts will have 1 year left after this year. Henderson will have 1 year same with Carter. Plus Schular and Minich. So you will have 5-6 guys who can come back after this year. So you should take most likley 4 guys in 2024 class. Like I said before Hobbs and Moore both can get moved or 1 move to safety. You should return every after this year at CB minus Hart so we have plenty of depth chart and the staff could always utilize the transfer portal at safety again.

This already is DJ Brown’s sixth year

 

[StPaul_Irish]

This already is DJ Brown’s tenth year

There ya go

 

[NDFAN2008]

This already is DJ Brown’s sixth year

Wrong see below

 

[fightingirish26]

Wrong see below
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2018 - DNP

This is his sixth year.

 

[NDFAN2008]

2018 - DNP

This is his sixth year.

Okay makes sense sorry

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Doesn't seem crazy at all but to Zelezo's point, what's crazy would be this catching the staff by surprise or unprepared.

Agreed, but I feel like today there are even more moving parts that have to be managed with recruiting, especially when you consider how Notre Dame conducts their business in that silo. I don't think it'll be a huge shock to anyone's system that Miles is looking at Texas Tech seriously. El Campo is 8 hours from Lubbock.

Tech has nine verbal commits and they're all from Texas. I think they have the luxury of playing the transfer market for more significantly but when they recruit they're targeting Texas three stars.

 

[SaltyND24]

So now we are losing kids to Texas Tech? At what point do we become concerned about Freeman the recruiter?

Given his success in the triple jump, it isn't the craziest thing for him to be seriously considering Texas Tech...