'24 CA LB Kyngstonn Viliamu-Asa (Notre Dame Signee)

[INLaw]

Ketchup only acceptable for the dipping if french fries and grilled cheese ♥️ ♥️ ♥️

 

[BobbyMac]

I made eye contact with him the entire time.

If I ever see you at Heston Bar or Skip's in New Buffalo, I'll beat you amongst the head & brow w/ a 5 gal drum of horseradish sauce.

 

[Rambler09]

...What is this thread?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

If I ever see you at Heston Bar or Skip's in New Buffalo, I'll beat you amongst the head & brow w/ a 5 gal drum of horseradish sauce.

If it’s Skips, let me at least finish my onion rings. They are wonderful there.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

...What is this thread?

I felt like ketchup was a better discussion topic than what the dipshit was ranting about.

Apologies all. Sam Heisman throws in 6 days.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Dang, I missed all the fuckery. I never get to watch a live ban. I hate my job!

 

[CoachB]

We really think Kiser is at the combine?

We really think Kiser is at the combine?

Kiser is actually projected to go in the first round of more than one 2024 NFL mock draft. He is way, way better than some give him credit for. It is really amazing some of the takes of football fans. No offense to them, but the only explanation is they don't really know football. It's fine, 90% of people that watch games only watch the ball. I get it. All an ILB needs to do to be elite is to be great at reading their keys, reacting quickly to that read, being able to shed blocks at a high level, being a good tackler, and being able to run well enough in coverage. If LB's can do these things well, they can be elite. They don't have to be super flashy, they just have to DO THEIR JOB. Jack and JD are very, very good at almost all of those necessary skills. If there is one LB I have some concerns about, ironically, it is Marist. To my non-expert eye, it doesn't look like he reads great, and he isn't very good at shedding blocks. Hopefully that changes or someone passes him up that does better.

Remember, coaches want to win. They are going to play guys that give them the best chance to do so. And they sure know a heck of a lot more than us. They have countless hours of practice film they are evalutating to see who the best guy is. For any of us to say we have a better idea than the coaches is lunacy, IMO.

 

[CoachB]

In addition to the quote I posted above, post #1063:

"He 100% WILL test like and better than many SEC LB's who get burn in the NFL".

I Don't think he'll go to the combine. If he does I don't think he'll test "better than SEC LBs who play in the NFL".

I also think one of/all of Sneed, Bowen, or Ausberry will be better in 2024. Sue me to all hell.

If one of those LB's are better than Kiser in 2024, we will have struck gold. More than one NFL scout has Jack in their top 5 LBs of this coming class. I have seen one of the charts with my own eyes.

 

[Irish#1]

Kiser is actually projected to go in the first round of more than one 2024 NFL mock draft. He is way, way better than some give him credit for. It is really amazing some of the takes of football fans. No offense to them, but the only explanation is they don't really know football. It's fine, 90% of people that watch games only watch the ball. I get it. All an ILB needs to do to be elite is to be great at reading their keys, reacting quickly to that read, being able to shed blocks at a high level, being a good tackler, and being able to run well enough in coverage. If LB's can do these things well, they can be elite. They don't have to be super flashy, they just have to DO THEIR JOB. Jack and JD are very, very good at almost all of those necessary skills. If there is one LB I have some concerns about, ironically, it is Marist. To my non-expert eye, it doesn't look like he reads great, and he isn't very good at shedding blocks. Hopefully that changes or someone passes him up that does better.

Remember, coaches want to win. They are going to play guys that give them the best chance to do so. And they sure know a heck of a lot more than us. They have countless hours of practice film they are evaluating to see who the best guy is. For any of us to say we have a better idea than the coaches is lunacy, IMO.

Excellent post.

 

[stlnd01]

Funny, first sentence of this recruiting review from 2018. "Kiser is a great athlete."

Film Don't Lie: Jack Kiser

Kiser is a great athlete that has the potential to greatly exceed his ranking at the next level

irishsportsdaily.com

 

[ab2cmiller]

Kiser is actually projected to go in the first round of more than one 2024 NFL mock draft. He is way, way better than some give him credit for. It is really amazing some of the takes of football fans. No offense to them, but the only explanation is they don't really know football. It's fine, 90% of people that watch games only watch the ball. I get it. All an ILB needs to do to be elite is to be great at reading their keys, reacting quickly to that read, being able to shed blocks at a high level, being a good tackler, and being able to run well enough in coverage. If LB's can do these things well, they can be elite. They don't have to be super flashy, they just have to DO THEIR JOB. Jack and JD are very, very good at almost all of those necessary skills. If there is one LB I have some concerns about, ironically, it is Marist. To my non-expert eye, it doesn't look like he reads great, and he isn't very good at shedding blocks. Hopefully that changes or someone passes him up that does better.

Remember, coaches want to win. They are going to play guys that give them the best chance to do so. And they sure know a heck of a lot more than us. They have countless hours of practice film they are evalutating to see who the best guy is. For any of us to say we have a better idea than the coaches is lunacy, IMO.

I can buy all of this, except for the first sentence. Can you link me a couple of the NFL mock drafts, because it's hard for me to imagine this is true. I believe Kiser could get drafted. First round seems unbelievable.

 

[stlnd01]

I can buy all of this, except for the first sentence. Can you link me a couple of the NFL mock drafts, because it's hard for me to imagine this is true. I believe Kiser could get drafted. First round seems unbelievable.

This here has him projected somewhere between 2nd and 4th round, with potential to climb if he has a good season.

2024 NFL Draft Prospects: Inside Linebacker – WalterFootball

walterfootball.com

 

[Domina Nostra]

I can buy all of this, except for the first sentence. Can you link me a couple of the NFL mock drafts, because it's hard for me to imagine this is true. I believe Kiser could get drafted. First round seems unbelievable.

First round is completely unrealistic. His ceiling seems to be similar to Tranquil, who was a 4th round pick. So maybe a 3rd round pick if everything came together and he begins exceeding all expectations this year.

Undrafted is much more likely than first round.

 

[CoachB]

I can buy all of this, except for the first sentence. Can you link me a couple of the NFL mock drafts, because it's hard for me to imagine this is true. I believe Kiser could get drafted. First round seems unbelievable.

2024 NFL Mock Draft: Steven Cheah of Barstool Sports | NFL Mock Draft Database

Steven Cheah of Barstool Sports 2024 Round 1 NFL Mock Draft. Full preview and player prospects analysis available.

www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com

They have #27 to the Packers

Not saying he will be a first round pick. He likely won't. But for them to even put it out there shows that he might be a little better than people are giving him credit for.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Kiser is actually projected to go in the first round of more than one 2024 NFL mock draft. He is way, way better than some give him credit for. It is really amazing some of the takes of football fans. No offense to them, but the only explanation is they don't really know football. It's fine, 90% of people that watch games only watch the ball. I get it. All an ILB needs to do to be elite is to be great at reading their keys, reacting quickly to that read, being able to shed blocks at a high level, being a good tackler, and being able to run well enough in coverage. If LB's can do these things well, they can be elite. They don't have to be super flashy, they just have to DO THEIR JOB. Jack and JD are very, very good at almost all of those necessary skills. If there is one LB I have some concerns about, ironically, it is Marist. To my non-expert eye, it doesn't look like he reads great, and he isn't very good at shedding blocks. Hopefully that changes or someone passes him up that does better.

Remember, coaches want to win. They are going to play guys that give them the best chance to do so. And they sure know a heck of a lot more than us. They have countless hours of practice film they are evalutating to see who the best guy is. For any of us to say we have a better idea than the coaches is lunacy, IMO.

No one is saying he's a bad player. But ND COACHES believe he's NOT good enough to play over Marist and JD. He had about half the snaps as JD and marist last year. He got the first round eval right after returning 2 picks for TDs in 2021. There's way more mock drafts that don't even have him listed, because in reality, he's not really on any teams radar as a draft pick. Much better chance he returns to ND or doesn't get drafted than he goes in the first round. He's not going first round, not even close.

 

[ab2cmiller]

2024 NFL Mock Draft: Steven Cheah of Barstool Sports | NFL Mock Draft Database

Steven Cheah of Barstool Sports 2024 Round 1 NFL Mock Draft. Full preview and player prospects analysis available.

www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com

They have #27 to the Packers

Not saying he will be a first round pick. He likely won't. But for them to even put it out there shows that he might be a little better than people are giving him credit for.

After looking at that person's mock draft, I don't know what they are trying to do. I don't know if they truly believe that mock, or they are simply trying to gain attention. 25% of his picks for the 1st round were marked as "Rare" which I'm assuming implies that almost nobody is including them in their 1st round mocks. It's like they are trying to be a contrarian to draw attention to themselves.

Click on Kiser's name and you get the consensus rank. Projected to be Undrafted Free Agent. He may get drafted, but as someone else posted, he has a better chance of going undrafted than going in the first round.

 

[CoachB]

After looking at that person's mock draft, I don't know what they are trying to do. I don't know if they truly believe that mock, or they are simply trying to gain attention. 25% of his picks for the 1st round were marked as "Rare" which I'm assuming implies that almost nobody is including them in their 1st round mocks. It's like they are trying to be a contrarian to draw attention to themselves.

Click on Kiser's name and you get the consensus rank. Projected to be Undrafted Free Agent. He may get drafted, but as someone else posted, he has a better chance of going undrafted than going in the first round.

I tend to agree with this. Just saying he is a way better athlete than people give him credit for and a very smart player. I would take him a million times out of a million on my team.

 

[AvesEvo]

What I gathered from that list is that ohio st is stacked!

 

[PutuporShutup]

I tend to agree with this. Just saying he is a way better athlete than people give him credit for and a very smart player. I would take him a million times out of a million on my team.

Why hasn't he played more over JD or Marist? When marist was bad last year and JD was solid at best.

I think he's a fine player, but the coaches at ND don't think he's one of their 2 best.

 

[IrishLion]

I’m not gonna take the time to go back and find the links, but someone here shared a way-too-early mock last year I think, and it had Kiser as a late first rounder based on his history of making big plays and scoring defensive touchdowns…

It felt to me like a guy just looked up a stats database and was slotting players in based on touchdowns and TFL’s, which Kiser shows well on. But as we all know watching the ND defense every week, that method is probably giving too much weight to performances against Wiscy and whoever else he had a pick-6 against.

Kiser is fine. The defense won’t take a true/big step forward until someone in the front seven steps up to make havoc plays more consistently, though.

I agree with @Lberry that Kiser probably isn’t making a huge jump at this point, and we probably need to wait for one or two of the young guys to develop to see that.

I do NOT agree with the context of his posts that Kiser is underwhelming or holding the unit back, though.

If anything, Kiser has been invisible far more often than he’s been noticeable, which means he’s generally doing his job, no more or less. That’s different than the wild production swings we’ve seen from JD and Marist, which is another problem entirely to be discussed, independent of any discussion about Kiser.

 

[indianamouse]

So, anyone got news of KVA for this thread?

 

[IAIrish]

Why hasn't he played more over JD or Marist? Why isn't he good enough to be in for nickel and instead we always had a DB playing that role?

I think he's a fine player, but the coaches at ND don't think he's one of their 2 best.

Not trying to regurgitate what's already been discussed on Kiser, but one critical element was that he was taking some high level, extremely challenging classes as he finished up his masters. Guy is a legit student.
Similar to Tranquill, Jack will now major in football for his final season. When you combine that with his experience and talent, it's easy to see why many feel he's primed for a big year.

Naturally, we fans evaluate what happens between the lines, but what transpires outside those lines is a massive factor that is often overlooked.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It might be time to ignore “Ding”Lberry.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

So, anyone got news of KVA for this thread?

I do - he's damn good

 

[stlnd01]

Why hasn't he played more over JD or Marist? When marist was bad last year and JD was solid at best.

I think he's a fine player, but the coaches at ND don't think he's one of their 2 best.

I could be off but my understanding is that last season Kiser played Rover while Marist played Will. Because they felt Kiser was better in coverage and Liufau was a little bigger. But, Rover often comes off the field in nickel packages, so Kiser just didn't play as many snaps. It's not that they started Marist over Kiser so much that they played different positions.

I read somewhere in the last couple of weeks that Kiser has put on 10 pounds or so in the offseason and the plan is to play him more at Will and have someone else (Sneed?) play more at Rover, while Marist is used more often as an edge rusher (so that he can run into tackles instead of guards?)

 

[Me2SouthBend]

It might be time to ignore “Ding”Lberry.

And his twin “Huck” LBerry

 

[Luckylucci]

When Kiser met with the media during Fall camp, he was asked about the transition to ILB/Will. He mentioned that the plan for him, when he was recruited by Lea, was to have the same Rover to ILB/Will transition that Tranquill did before him. It was always the plan. And, had Lea still been DC at ND. I would bet that transition would've happened sooner. In fact, I brought this up back in the 2021 when they couldn't seem to get Bertrand off the field. Freeman was DC at the time and the next season we had another DC change, seemingly prolonging that transition again. Kiser should've been at Will at least a year or two earlier and if he had, I think we're having a different conversation about the player.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He’s still not listed at Will. Still a Rover on the two deep

 

[PutuporShutup]

He’s still not listed at Will. Still a Rover on the two deep

It's a way to get his name listed as a starter. Other than navy we'll probably be playing more 2 lb than 3 lb.

 

[Rocketman84]

Funny, first sentence of this recruiting review from 2018. "Kiser is a great athlete."

Film Don't Lie: Jack Kiser

Kiser is a great athlete that has the potential to greatly exceed his ranking at the next level

irishsportsdaily.com

I mean the guy runs mid 4.6s and as a SR in HS had 160 tackles, 7 ints, 7FF 5FR then on offense threw for 1200yds 18TDs while running for 2200yds and 44TDs....Insane