'23 MO CB Christian Gray (Notre Dame Signee)

[stlnd01]

Was he on the injury report earlier in the week (don’t think he was)? If he was and I missed it I’ll apologize for my comment. If he wasn’t this is absolutely a coaching decision due to a player not performing and living up to the standard of effort and being locked in. He was worse usc 25 than usc 24 and I didn’t think that was possible.

Or he aggravated his shoulder late in the week or during warmups and the coaches made a game-time decision not to push it and let the younger guys get some reps against a team with not-especially dangerous WRs. But sure assume the worst and continue to shit on a 20-year-old who has battled for two years for our team.

I was at the game and could see him on the sidelines, dressed but not wearing his helmet, while the defense was on the field, which suggests injury, to me. I was just wondering if it game up on tv or in the postgame presser.

 

[jprue24]

You really don’t think coaches bench players to teach them a lesson even if they’re full time starters and capable of playing ? Especially vs a terrible team!!!

It’s not ideal but it happens. I personally think it’s this …. If you’re not going to give 100% when you’re not 100% then you won’t be able to play unless you’re completely healthy.
Leonard Moore gave 100% on a high ankle sprain then sat the next 3 games as he was really injured. I’m sure gray is banged up, but again, you gotta bring it, he didn’t a lot of plays.

...bro, we don't have to think about what coaches do, we only need to think about what Freeman does. I think about how Gray has time and time again shown high levels of resilience during games. I don't assume resilient players have effort issues and I haven't seen anything to make me think Gray does.

From a leadership perspective, there are almost always better ways than what you're describing. Fucking with someone's head can be a quick way to lose their trust forever.

 

[brick4956]

You really don’t think coaches bench players to teach them a lesson even if they’re full time starters and capable of playing ? Especially vs a terrible team!!!

It’s not ideal but it happens. I personally think it’s this …. If you’re not going to give 100% when you’re not 100% then you won’t be able to play unless you’re completely healthy.
Leonard Moore gave 100% on a high ankle sprain then sat the next 3 games as he was really injured. I’m sure gray is banged up, but again, you gotta bring it, he didn’t a lot of plays.

Oh shut the fuck up what you're just an asshole who spouts bullshit out of your mouth like its the second coming of God do you not understand the concept of an injury 🤡

 

[Old Man Mike]

Gray's good.
Gray's a hard worker.
Gray's good for the Team.

 

[irishff1014]

I’m sure the excuse given will be resting nagging injuries. I’d bet though this is a case where yeah he’s sore but not injured and the staff wants to teach a lesson that his lack of effort many times in the usc game is unacceptable so you will not be playing in the BC game. A game they don’t need him. Maybe the effort was in part due to nagging injuries, but it doesn’t matter, if you’re out there it has to be 100%.

And if it is who cares? When it comes time to play Pitt do you want him to still have nagging injuries or be almost 100%?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him sit against Navy and again I am ok with that. 3 weeks off to heal up. Umm yea I’ll take that.

 

[PutuporShutup]

...bro, we don't have to think about what coaches do, we only need to think about what Freeman does. I think about how Gray has time and time again shown high levels of resilience during games. I don't assume resilient players have effort issues and I haven't seen anything to make me think Gray does.

From a leadership perspective, there are almost always better ways than what you're describing. Fucking with someone's head can be a quick way to lose their trust forever.

What resilience did he have in the usc game? His pick wasn’t a great play like his 24 pick vs usc. His guy was wide open again and most likely just a wet ball terrible throw right to him.

His head is clearly F’d for whatever reason (gets picked on by every good passing offense is my obvious guess). I’m sure he’s banged up, but again, it’s no excuse to be dogging it out there a number of plays.

This is the team, we have terrible db depth, he’s needed to play better against Pitt and hopefully cfp.

They’re trying to get him right I’m sure of that, my opinion is it’s more mental than physical, and they’ll use the physical tag to not have to call him out publicly.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Guys guys he's a former big ten CB he obviously knows what he's talking about. The USC game couldn't have been he was gassed it was all effort and even though he played every snap and they attacked him deep constantly. It's also obvious freeman is punishing him because that is how Marcus does stuff. Put up knows what's happening

 

[jprue24]

What resilience did he have in the usc game? His pick wasn’t a great play like his 24 pick vs usc. His guy was wide open again and most likely just a wet ball terrible throw right to him.

His head is clearly F’d for whatever reason (gets picked on by every good passing offense is my obvious guess). I’m sure he’s banged up, but again, it’s no excuse to be dogging it out there a number of plays.

This is the team, we have terrible db depth, he’s needed to play better against Pitt and hopefully cfp.

They’re trying to get him right I’m sure of that, my opinion is it’s more mental than physical, and they’ll use the physical tag to not have to call him out publicly.

No, your opinion is that he was benched and being taught a lesson because he didn't try.

I’m sure the excuse given will be resting nagging injuries. I’d bet though this is a case where yeah he’s sore but not injured and the staff wants to teach a lesson that his lack of effort many times in the usc game is unacceptable so you will not be playing in the BC game. A game they don’t need him. Maybe the effort was in part due to nagging injuries, but it doesn’t matter, if you’re out there it has to be 100%.

Take that motte & bailey shit somewhere else.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Guys guys he's a former big ten CB he obviously knows what he's talking about. The USC game couldn't have been he was gassed it was all effort and even though he played every snap and they attacked him deep constantly. It's also obvious freeman is punishing him because that is how Marcus does stuff. Put up knows what's happening

Gray made a ton of plays in the USC game. When youre attacked on every play because you have an all world corner on the other side youre going to let up some plays. Christian Gray is the man.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I don't think you understand I was ripping the insane takes of put up but hey reading comprehension isn't everyone's thing

 

[PutuporShutup]

Guys guys he's a former big ten CB he obviously knows what he's talking about. The USC game couldn't have been he was gassed it was all effort and even though he played every snap and they attacked him deep constantly. It's also obvious freeman is punishing him because that is how Marcus does stuff. Put up knows what's happening

I’ve never pretended to have any inside info, but the game film doesn’t lie.

Read between the lines, it’s simple, freeman pretty much said if you’re banged up and can’t perform at the level they need they can’t play you. His level vs usc was unacceptable. They’re taking away the “banged up” excuse and getting him right physically and hopefully more mentally.

This isn’t your mom bringing Italian ice for the team after games, or whatever level you played at. There would have been a very tough film session Sunday/Monday after the game watching his BS performance. I don’t think he’s that good, but he can definitely play much better than he did.

Making cfp or not is an 8 figure difference potentially. They are focused on trying to get gray right, and the main reason he’s not isn’t a sore hip. He sprinted and moved just fine vs usc, except when he got burned… hmm

 

[mrmcgrail]

No you're taking away the banged up excuse. I played at uw-platteville not big ten like you but it was very obvious he was gassed at USC and and there was a miscommunication with him in tae on zone on the play you were talking about. Freeman has benched hobbs he didn't make excuses for him he just got benched. You think he benched gray? That's just not what happened

 

[mrmcgrail]

Read freemans presser buddy

 

[KPENN]

I’ve never pretended to have any inside info, but the game film doesn’t lie.

Read between the lines, it’s simple, freeman pretty much said if you’re banged up and can’t perform at the level they need they can’t play you. His level vs usc was unacceptable. They’re taking away the “banged up” excuse and getting him right physically and hopefully more mentally.

This isn’t your mom bringing Italian ice for the team after games, or whatever level you played at. There would have been a very tough film session Sunday/Monday after the game watching his BS performance. I don’t think he’s that good, but he can definitely play much better than he did.

Making cfp or not is an 8 figure difference potentially. They are focused on trying to get gray right, and the main reason he’s not isn’t a sore hip. He sprinted and moved just fine vs usc, except when he got burned… hmm

My god you’re insufferable. I prefer 2008’s shit posting to this

 

[rtrn2glory]

I can't imagine having him play against navy with a banged up shoulder is a good idea. Granted his experience in the system is a plus too so maybe if they think he's healthy he'll be a go

 

[IRISHbluehen]

I can't imagine having him play against navy with a banged up shoulder is a good idea. Granted his experience in the system is a plus too so maybe if they think he's healthy he'll be a go

Devonta Smith at corner will be the move

 

[TorontoGold]

I really want to see new contrarian (SportHard) vs semi-old contrarian (Puts up).

Loser has to teach 2008 how grammar and spelling works.

 

[FWIrish4]

Devonta Smith at corner will be the move

I got bad news for you. He left the game with an injury Saturday I think? I’m very surprised they played him knowing he’s already re-aggravated stuff this season. I thought they would go very conservative and rest him until Pitt for this exact reason.

 

[NDohio]

I’ve never pretended to have any inside info, but the game film doesn’t lie.

Read between the lines, it’s simple, freeman pretty much said if you’re banged up and can’t perform at the level they need they can’t play you. His level vs usc was unacceptable. They’re taking away the “banged up” excuse and getting him right physically and hopefully more mentally.

This isn’t your mom bringing Italian ice for the team after games, or whatever level you played at. There would have been a very tough film session Sunday/Monday after the game watching his BS performance. I don’t think he’s that good, but he can definitely play much better than he did.

Making cfp or not is an 8 figure difference potentially. They are focused on trying to get gray right, and the main reason he’s not isn’t a sore hip. He sprinted and moved just fine vs usc, except when he got burned… hmm

Can you please make a stupid bet with @TorontoGold and get yourself banned?

 

[stlnd01]

I got bad news for you. He left the game with an injury Saturday I think? I’m very surprised they played him knowing he’s already re-aggravated stuff this season. I thought they would go very conservative and rest him until Pitt for this exact reason.

Argh, really? How many games has he played in? It almost seemed like they might try to keep Smith at four to preserve this wasted year for him.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Read freemans presser buddy

yeah it’s clear he’s doing everything he can to get gray in a batter mental place.
Corner is a very tough position to play when you aren’t confident.

My educated guess from seeing this before is they’re trying to get him a good reset mentally and I’m sure physically too.

I agree with others, doubt he plays vs navy.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Can you please make a stupid bet with @TorontoGold and get yourself banned?

You should stick to the Dante Moore thread discussing baking recipes, about the only value you add.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Smith hasn't shown that he can tackle at all. Playing against navy is not the play

 

[stlnd01]

Smith hasn't shown that he can tackle at all. Playing against navy is not the play

Could we just put Sneed at corner against Navy? He can probably run with their WRs on the rare pass play.

 

[Irish#1]

What resilience did he have in the usc game? His pick wasn’t a great play like his 24 pick vs usc. His guy was wide open again and most likely just a wet ball terrible throw right to him.

His head is clearly F’d for whatever reason (gets picked on by every good passing offense is my obvious guess). I’m sure he’s banged up, but again, it’s no excuse to be dogging it out there a number of plays.

This is the team, we have terrible db depth, he’s needed to play better against Pitt and hopefully cfp.

They’re trying to get him right I’m sure of that, my opinion is it’s more mental than physical, and they’ll use the physical tag to not have to call him out publicly.

He gets picked because there’s an AA in the other side. So his pick wasn’t as great as last years? So what? He can’t dictate down and distance, formation, what route the receiver is running. Don’t dismiss the INT because the ball might be wet. Everyone played in the same weather.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Could we just put Sneed at corner against Navy? He can probably run with their WRs on the rare pass play.

I have a feeling Navy will pass more than three times this year, but Stroman and/or Smith should be able to stay with most of their receivers.
Let Gray rest up again this week.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Could we just put Sneed at corner against Navy? He can probably run with their WRs on the rare pass play.

Ausberry makes more sense but I like where your heads at.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Ausberry makes more sense but I like where your heads at.

They'll probably be in a 4-4 with both Sneed and Ausberry on the field already.

 

[Dale]

Did Devonta leave hurt? I don’t recall that, he played most of the game. It seemed live to just be a rotation of Golden a few times but mostly Smith. Unless it was in the 4Q.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Did Devonta leave hurt? I don’t recall that, he played most of the game. It seemed like to just be a rotation of Golden a few times but mostly Smith. Unless it was in the 4Q.

Sampson reported that he saw him leave the game injured.