'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

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Nonsense. He's a 4.0 student. Once again, because he hasn't made his decision on your timeline he's not a Notre Dame guy?!
Just because fans can't handle the emotional swings of recruiting elite 5star QB talent...
ND should just stop recruiting them?
This is what it takes. It's easy to sign the Drew Pynes of the world.

He finished a semester with a 4.0. Not sure that makes him a “4.0 student”. Dante Moore is not coming to ND.

 

[irishandy]

There comes a time when a recruitment becomes more than exhausting and this is what Dante's recruitment has become in my opinion.

In all that I've read since visiting last, Dante is still going on visits & he has contacted ND, is he dragging ND along & has he been dragging ND along the whole time?

I've wanted Dante to commit to ND, but does he want to be here for the right reason(s) and if he were to commit would he stick?

It is hard for me to root for BK to beat Bama....you really think that boy scout B.S. will work against Bama.

 

[MacIrish75]

He finished a semester with a 4.0. Not sure that makes him a “4.0 student”. Dante Moore is not coming to ND.

The hell kind of semantical gymnastics is this?

 

[Domina Nostra]

The hell kind of semantical gymnastics is this?

It’s the kind where kids can have a “5.2” GPA on their college transcript, and where good students at some schools take Calculus as juniors, where other kids are still taking “math.”

No one has ever thought that all diplomas and educations are equal.

Moore could be a genius, but you couldn’t know it from those numbers alone.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The hell kind of semantical gymnastics is this?

I assumed he was saying that a kid could have a 4.0 for the classes he just took last semester but have a lower overall GPA for his entire high school career.

 

[Dale]

Just because fans can't handle the emotional swings of recruiting elite 5star QB talent...
ND should just stop recruiting them?
This is what it takes. It's easy to sign the Drew Pynes of the world.

Moore’s recruitment from the ND side has not been a normal recruiting of a elite 5 star QB talent.

Drew Pyne was heavily pursued when ND landed him. Characterizing it any other way is retroactively changing it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Nonsense. He's a 4.0 student. Once again, because he hasn't made his decision on your timeline he's not a Notre Dame guy?!
Just because fans can't handle the emotional swings of recruiting elite 5star QB talent...
ND should just stop recruiting them?
This is what it takes. It's easy to sign the Drew Pynes of the world.

Drew Pyne will have a better ND career than Dante Moore. I say that because I seriously doubt Moore comes. You can be a 4.0 student and not be a cultural fit.

 

[CoachB]

I just can't see how anybody would say he is not a cultural fit without knowing him. And without one iota of evidence. He has done nothing that would imply he is a bad fit for ND. Just crazy to me the negative people. Not saying he will come, but he would be a tremendous fit on our team and campus. He's a great kid!

 

[CoachB]

Taking off my ND colored glasses for a second, I don't blame him for wanting to see the product on the field. His top 3 schools all have different coaching staffs. It is a big decision. I would want to see what the product looked like, as well.

 

[ulukinatme]

I just can't see how anybody would say he is not a cultural fit without knowing him. And without one iota of evidence. He has done nothing that would imply he is a bad fit for ND. Just crazy to me the negative people. Not saying he will come, but he would be a tremendous fit on our team and campus. He's a great kid!

I just want more kids like Carr. He knew once he went to campus that it was a special place, he's all in and shut it down. Moore pushes the goalposts, seems hesitant. I feel like we've seen that story before. Seems to lead to an eventual flip or transfer. Not trying to be negative, just being realistic.

 

[MacIrish75]

I just want more kids like Carr. He knew once he went to campus that it was a special place, he's all in and shut it down. Moore pushes the goalposts, seems hesitant. I feel like we've seen that story before. Seems to lead to an eventual flip or transfer. Not trying to be negative, just being realistic.

Tell me you preferred recruiting under BK without telling me you preferred recruiting under BK.

This is the “story” with a vast majority of highly ranked guys, even before NIL money was a thing. Now that they not only need to consider roster, scheme, school, coaches, but also maximizing their profitability? This is what it is. I love CJ Carr and his potential and the fact that he came aboard so early in the process…but he’s the exception. Keeley thus far is the exception. If we want to go fishing (Richard Young, Carnell Tate) then we have to expect that this will be a part of the process.

 

[CoachB]

I just want more kids like Carr. He knew once he went to campus that it was a special place, he's all in and shut it down. Moore pushes the goalposts, seems hesitant. I feel like we've seen that story before. Seems to lead to an eventual flip or transfer. Not trying to be negative, just being realistic.

Fair enough. I can see that.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I want Carr to reclassify because he's committed. Bird in hand...

 

[OhioIrish]

It’s the kind where kids can have a “5.2” GPA on their college transcript, and where good students at some schools take Calculus as juniors, where other kids are still taking “math.”

No one has ever thought that all diplomas and educations are equal.

Moore could be a genius, but you couldn’t know it from those numbers alone.

Exactly. My nephew’s recent graduating class had 27 valedictorians and 40% of the class graduated “with honors”. 4.0 gpa is meaningless without more intel, it’s not the same scale as it was 20 years ago.

 

[Dale]

Tell me you preferred recruiting under BK without telling me you preferred recruiting under BK.

This is the “story” with a vast majority of highly ranked guys, even before NIL money was a thing. Now that they not only need to consider roster, scheme, school, coaches, but also maximizing their profitability? This is what it is. I love CJ Carr and his potential and the fact that he came aboard so early in the process…but he’s the exception. Keeley thus far is the exception. If we want to go fishing (Richard Young, Carnell Tate) then we have to expect that this will be a part of the process.

People keep repeating the “this is what recruiting 5 stars looks like mantra” and it’s just not accurate. Being a 5 star is not a cop out, nor do most 5 stars act beyond reproach.

 

[MacIrish75]

Honestly this whole conversation at this point is asinine. We’ve regressed to the point that we’re splitting hairs that this KID may/may not be able to claim that he’s a 4.0 student because he only earned a 4.0 in one semester and/or the difficulty of his coursework may have been what enabled his elevated GPA.

Meanwhile if he had gone through his recruitment the way we (see: adult male ND fans) feel is best, we’d be lauding him as an RKG with a 4.0 GPA. And all you hypocrites know it.

Some of y’all are nauseating and seriously need to take a step back.

 

[MacIrish75]

People keep repeating the “this is what recruiting 5 stars looks like mantra” and it’s just not accurate. Being a 5 star is not a cop out, nor do most 5 stars act beyond reproach.

Holy hell what has Dante Moore done that is “beyond reproach?”

 

[Dale]

Holy hell what has Dante Moore done that is “beyond reproach?”

Beyond reproach means no action can come under any criticism. You characterized how big fish like Young, Tate and Moore as being able to handle their recruitments differently because their are 5 stars, aka, beyond reproach due to their status.

 

[MacIrish75]

Beyond reproach means no action can come under any criticism. You characterized how big fish like Young, Tate and Moore as being able to handle their recruitments differently because their are 5 stars, aka, beyond reproach due to their status.

Let me rephrase: What has Dante Moore actually done to warrant legitimate criticism? Right now we have grown men that are a step away from putting in a transcript request into King HS so we can determine if the kid has earned the right to qualify himself as a 4.0 student.

I honestly hope for him that he doesn’t come here because half the fanbase will always have a grudge against him because he didn’t handle his recruitment the way that a bunch of old men would have preferred.

 

[irishandy]

The fanbase has to remember that we are dealing with a 17 year old kid. Only Dante knows and all this speculation is...speculation.

 

[Dale]

What has Dante Moore actually done to warrant legitimate criticism?

Giving a verbal commitment to the staff and then not going public within the timeframe he told the staff he would and not returning to campus in favor of unofficial visits elsewhere. That then leaving the guys who put that trust in you and you communicate daily with confused and frustrated over what’s going on.

That’s a fair summary without using any larger NIL or rumor based implications. I’m not making any larger personal judgements on Moore but to act like oh that’s just a 5 star thing it’s okay, I don’t find that agreeable.

 

[MacIrish75]

Giving a verbal commitment to the staff and then not going public within the timeframe he told the staff he would and not returning to campus in favor of unofficial visits elsewhere. That then leaving the guys who put that trust in you and you communicate daily with confused and frustrated over what’s going on.

That’s a fair summary without using any larger NIL or rumor based implications. I’m not making any larger personal judgements on Moore but to act like oh that’s just a 5 star thing it’s okay, I don’t find that agreeable.

Honestly, I think if the criticisms were held to that realm, I wouldn’t have such a distaste for it. The whole GPA/academic dissection really was distasteful to me.

I think the biggest difference between Dante and Carr is the advice they’re getting and who they’re getting it from. I work with teenagers on the daily and they’re all innately wired pretty similarly. The difference is who they’ve got surrounding them and what they’re hearing from their support systems. Dante, in my observations of his recruitment versus CJs, is being/has been nurtured very differently in terms of how to handle this process.

 

[ACamp1900]

The fanbase has to remember that we are dealing with a 17 year old kid. Only Dante knows and all this speculation is...speculation.

It’s hard to remember this when most of us are in full 13 year old girl mode when it comes to recruiting five stars,…

 

[Blazers46]

Let me rephrase: What has Dante Moore actually done to warrant legitimate criticism? Right now we have grown men that are a step away from putting in a transcript request into King HS so we can determine if the kid has earned the right to qualify himself as a 4.0 student.

I honestly hope for him that he doesn’t come here because half the fanbase will always have a grudge against him because he didn’t handle his recruitment the way that a bunch of old men would have preferred.

I get what you are saying but some of those "old men" would be men on the ND coaching staff. If you break it down minus all the memes and assumptions to real news, it was apparent to staff he was all Irish and just taking visits. It was apparent to all the recruiting "experts" in the know the same. Somewhere something changed, we as fans are allowed to speculate and assume... that is why we have message boards in the first place. Based on the places Dante has been visiting it opens himself up for speculation and assumptions about what his motivations are as a player and QB.

When we contrast with Carr, who is a seedling of a Michigan legend and is committed to Irish so much there are rumors of reclassifying, it makes the Moore recruitment less appealing. One guy really wants to be here despite his family allegiance and the other is shopping around for... what? Best cafeteria food? Best women talent? Best city? Depth chart? NIL?

At the end of the day speculation and assumptions are what makes a message board a message board. There are different fans. The fans that attended ND and root for the school as well as the team, then there are fans that root for the football team that couldn't care less about the team GPA.

Then there there are the people that think 17 year kids shoud be treated with kid gloves. Then there are people that think 17 year olds are one year away from voting, war, marriage age, adulthood that expect more out of society and 17 year olds.

For me its easy. I grew up in Elkhart going to games every Saturday. I love the campus, the gold helmets, the grotto, the stadium, pretty much everything one can see on a Friday before the game and Saturday game day. Do I care much about the academics? Its honorable for sure and I give it enough respect and thought to be okay with a 10 win season knowing the hurdles the football team and athletes have to jump over compared to most of the top tier schools.

I have my favorite players like many do. The Shark... played baseball against him. I still have the ball he hit me with a pitch in our HS game. At one time Malik Zaire because I was friends with his father. Rocket. Watters. Teo. Cierre Wood ironically signed my kid a football and signed his game gloves and cleats. Eat breakfast with Gunner Kiel. Saw Brady Quinn buy a lady's groceries at the grocery store when I was standing behind him in line. Tons of others....

I have my players I dislike. Every player that commited to another school or transferred that was on top of the depth chart.

 

[Redbar]

I get what you are saying but some of those "old men" would be men on the ND coaching staff. If you break it down minus all the memes and assumptions to real news, it was apparent to staff he was all Irish and just taking visits. It was apparent to all the recruiting "experts" in the know the same. Somewhere something changed, we as fans are allowed to speculate and assume... that is why we have message boards in the first place. Based on the places Dante has been visiting it opens himself up for speculation and assumptions about what his motivations are as a player and QB.

Then there there are the people that think 17 year kids shoud be treated with kid gloves. Then there are people that think 17 year olds are one year away from voting, war, marriage age, adulthood that expect more out of society and 17 year olds.

For me its easy. I grew up in Elkhart going to games every Saturday. I love the campus, the gold helmets, the grotto, the stadium, pretty much everything one can see on a Friday before the game and Saturday game day. Do I care much about the academics? Its honorable for sure and I give it enough respect and thought to be okay with a 10 win season knowing the hurdles the football team and athletes have to jump over compared to most of the top tier schools.

I have my favorite players like many do. The Shark... played baseball against him. I still have the ball he hit me with a pitch in our HS game. At one time Malik Zaire because I was friends with his father. Rocket. Watters. Teo. Cierre Wood ironically signed my kid a football and signed his game gloves and cleats. Eat breakfast with Gunner Kiel. Saw Brady Quinn buy a lady's groceries at the grocery store when I was standing behind him in line. Tons of others....

I have my players I dislike. Every player that commited to another school or transferred that was on top of the depth chart.

Then there are some who think 17 year olds should have French benefits.

 

[INLaw]

There comes a time when a recruitment becomes more than exhausting and this is what Dante's recruitment has become in my opinion.

In all that I've read since visiting last, Dante is still going on visits & he has contacted ND, is he dragging ND along & has he been dragging ND along the whole time?

I've wanted Dante to commit to ND, but does he want to be here for the right reason(s) and if he were to commit would he stick?

It is hard for me to root for BK to beat Bama....you really think that boy scout B.S. will work against Bama.

I get what you are saying but some of those "old men" would be men on the ND coaching staff. If you break it down minus all the memes and assumptions to real news, it was apparent to staff he was all Irish and just taking visits. It was apparent to all the recruiting "experts" in the know the same. Somewhere something changed, we as fans are allowed to speculate and assume... that is why we have message boards in the first place. Based on the places Dante has been visiting it opens himself up for speculation and assumptions about what his motivations are as a player and QB.

When we contrast with Carr, who is a seedling of a Michigan legend and is committed to Irish so much there are rumors of reclassifying, it makes the Moore recruitment less appealing. One guy really wants to be here despite his family allegiance and the other is shopping around for... what? Best cafeteria food? Best women talent? Best city? Depth chart? NIL?

At the end of the day speculation and assumptions are what makes a message board a message board. There are different fans. The fans that attended ND and root for the school as well as the team, then there are fans that root for the football team that couldn't care less about the team GPA.

Then there there are the people that think 17 year kids shoud be treated with kid gloves. Then there are people that think 17 year olds are one year away from voting, war, marriage age, adulthood that expect more out of society and 17 year olds.

For me its easy. I grew up in Elkhart going to games every Saturday. I love the campus, the gold helmets, the grotto, the stadium, pretty much everything one can see on a Friday before the game and Saturday game day. Do I care much about the academics? Its honorable for sure and I give it enough respect and thought to be okay with a 10 win season knowing the hurdles the football team and athletes have to jump over compared to most of the top tier schools.

I have my favorite players like many do. The Shark... played baseball against him. I still have the ball he hit me with a pitch in our HS game. At one time Malik Zaire because I was friends with his father. Rocket. Watters. Teo. Cierre Wood ironically signed my kid a football and signed his game gloves and cleats. Eat breakfast with Gunner Kiel. Saw Brady Quinn buy a lady's groceries at the grocery store when I was standing behind him in line. Tons of others....

I have my players I dislike. Every player that commited to another school or transferred that was on top of the depth chart.

One of the best posts I have read in a long time

 

[INLaw]

Then there are some who think 17 year olds should have French benefits.

What are French benefits? Wine and Cheese or are you talking tongue kissing and did you mean to add a no homo caveat?

 

[TorontoGold]

What are French benefits? Wine and Cheese or are you talking tongue kissing and did you mean to add a no homo caveat?

Weekly protests and mandatory mustaches

 

[arahop]

Drew Pyne will have a better ND career than Dante Moore. I say that because I seriously doubt Moore comes. You can be a 4.0 student and not be a cultural fit.

What makes him not a cultural fit? You wouldn't take Dante Moore? Just throw in the towel if he says " I want to play at Notre Dame"
"Sorry Dante.... You should have committed 3 weeks ago. Had you pulled the trigger earlier, we would have loved to take a top ten talent like you. Good luck elsewhere."

 

[ulukinatme]

What makes him not a cultural fit? You wouldn't take Dante Moore? Just throw in the towel if he says " I want to play at Notre Dame"
"Sorry Dante.... You should have committed 3 weeks ago. Had you pulled the trigger earlier, we would have loved to take a top ten talent like you. Good luck elsewhere."

I've already said my piece. If Dante still wants in, fine, but I don't see it. I wonder if he ever really was a fit. He doesn't seem to know what he wants. The whole moving goalposts thing, continuing to take visits, telling people one thing and doing another, etc. Meanwhile Carr is a year behind him, visited campus and he knew he found something special. Cancelled his visits to SEC country then and there. That's a dude that hears the calling and feels the magic, that's a cultural fit. He's all in. It seems like more often than not when you have a conflicted guy like Dante they often end up flipping on us or it ends up with an early transfer. Just being realistic.