'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[allenm5333]

My early impression of Marcus Freeman is that if he can have both Moore and Carr, he's going to do that, because that's what a big time program would do. Get both guys and let the chips fall.

I could be wrong about that, but I hope that's what happens because it's exactly what the rest of the lot would try to do: sign both.

Agree with this. I think ND probably were willing to play the waiting game if a summer decision/announcement was made. Once news spread that it could go into the fall. They pushed for Carr even more aggressively. Essentially, they called Dante's bluff. A necessary move. Although he is a great player, you cannot let a HS kid dictate everything.

With that being said, MF wants the best of the best at ND. He can now focus on Moore but not feel screwed if things don't work out

 

[Riddickulous]

Curious to see where QB recruiting goes in the near future. Is it Dante or bust? Do we expand the board? Should be interesting.

 

[Irish#1]

This wreaksss of an EJ Holland post.....

Actually came from Ari Wasserman. My thoughts were:
1. Does he know something those that cover the Irish aren't mentioning yet? or
2. He's only skimmed the surface of the Moore recruitment and just knows he would be a big get for them?

I tend to think he was just lazy in his reporting since he included Penn St.

 

[NDMatt91]

My early impression of Marcus Freeman is that if he can have both Moore and Carr, he's going to do that, because that's what a big time program would do. Get both guys and let the chips fall.

I could be wrong about that, but I hope that's what happens because it's exactly what the rest of the lot would try to do: sign both.

The incredible thing is it's not just at QB, it's every single position. We'll likely land Jason Moore to finish an epic 2023 haul at DL, and the staff is off to a great start on the 2024 DL and are going after Justin Scott, Elijah Rushing, Nigel Smith, etc. We have two stud Safeties and are trying to bring in a third (Downs), and the staff has a very good chance of bringing in two more stud safeties in the 2024 class in Peyton Woodyard and Tae Johnson. We'll likely bring in 4-5 quality WR's in the 2023 class, and the staff is in good position with 2024 WR's like Cam Williams, Emmett Mosley, and Jeremiah McClellan. Things look good at corner with Micah Bell and Christian Gray, and the staff is in good position with Kaleb Beasley and Eli Bowen in 2024. They're also going hard after the 5* CB in Alabama, who apparently really likes ND, and Omillio Agard from Philly.

Freeman has said time and time again that although hiring good coaches is important, the key is talent acquisition. The goal is to stack class on the top of class similar to how Bama, UGA, and OSU do it.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I still fail to see the correlation between the recruitment of Moore and the recruitment of Carr. You'd think Moore's decision would have nothing to do with a five star the following year. Why are we all of a sudden "out of it" (based on the reports where they list Moore's top schools and ND is no longer there)?

 

[NDMatt91]

I still fail to see the correlation between the recruitment of Moore and the recruitment of Carr. You'd think Moore's decision would have nothing to do with a five star the following year. Why are we all of a sudden "out of it" (based on the reports where they list Moore's top schools and ND is no longer there)?

They're not out of it according to those who cover recruiting. There have just been a lot of rumors about Dante. Whether it be about his recruitment or him personally.

 

[Dale]

LSU leads, Michigan leads, Oregon leads depending on who you ask. Same as it was before no school has any confident read on Moore. It’s just they are disagreeing over first not second now.

 

[ACamp1900]

My early impression,….

Oh
My
Word

Hast the prophecy been fulfilled??!

 

[irishnd31]

Oh
My
Word

Hast the prophecy been fulfilled??!

Has our Messiah returned......damn its been a while!!

 

[IHateMarkMay]

They're not out of it according to those who cover recruiting. There have just been a lot of rumors about Dante. Whether it be about his recruitment or him personally.

The insiders are different. However, you see 247 do a write up on Moore and they list schools and leave ND off now. Two weeks ago, that wouldn't be the case. ND would have been noted as a front runner.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

So, I'll double post this here as there is some really interesting quotes from their A&M sources on Dante.

ISD Intel | Behind The Scenes Of Notre Dame Recruiting

How will the recent quarterback news impact Notre Dame WR targets? Where do the Irish stand with this weekend's official visitors? And more.

irishsportsdaily.com

Obviously I'm a tad late and catching up here, but that's really quite interesting. From Dante's perspective, you would THINK it makes more sense to come to ND or another school that didn't sign a 5 star the year prior to your arrival. If he goes to LSU, Walker Howard will already have been in the system for a full year and change. You're behind your main competition.

You go to ND or a school with a similar situation, you have to wait maybe a year or two for Buchner to depart, and you're arriving before CJ Carr, giving you the leg up. In essence, you're ahead in the pecking order, your depth chart positioning is yours to lose.

Obviously that's not taking into account NIL, which is seemingly a major factor here, but still.

On3 Oregon site saying Moore to Oregon could happen soon.

This would make more sense to me. Not too much in the way for early PT out there outside of Ty Thompson; but if Ty is any good, why did they take Bo Nix?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

The insiders are different. However, you see 247 do a write up on Moore and they list schools and leave ND off now. Two weeks ago, that wouldn't be the case. ND would have been noted as a front runner.

The only thing that is "true" is that NO ONE, not the insiders, not IE, not ND,LSU,OR A$M, knows who leads and what will happen. There is a whole lot of "OH ND just signed a 5*, they are out of it for Moore now.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The incredible thing is it's not just at QB, it's every single position. We'll likely land Jason Moore to finish an epic 2023 haul at DL, and the staff is off to a great start on the 2024 DL and are going after Justin Scott, Elijah Rushing, Nigel Smith, etc. We have two stud Safeties and are trying to bring in a third (Downs), and the staff has a very good chance of bringing in two more stud safeties in the 2024 class in Peyton Woodyard and Tae Johnson. We'll likely bring in 4-5 quality WR's in the 2023 class, and the staff is in good position with 2024 WR's like Cam Williams, Emmett Mosley, and Jeremiah McClellan. Things look good at corner with Micah Bell and Christian Gray, and the staff is in good position with Kaleb Beasley and Eli Bowen in 2024. They're also going hard after the 5* CB in Alabama, who apparently really likes ND, and Omillio Agard from Philly.

Freeman has said time and time again that although hiring good coaches is important, the key is talent acquisition. The goal is to stack class on the top of class similar to how Bama, UGA, and OSU do it.

True. He has a philosophy on recruiting that is vital to winning a championship.

I tend to lean to the idea that the path to a championship is the triggerman behind center. You need someone great at QB1, unless you have 38 first round draft picks on your defense like UGA did. Great, not good.

The big numbers, Heisman candidate, NFL first rounder. Having all of these things in one package at QB1 is the ticket. So get the best possible triggerman you can in every signing class. Period.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

My early impression of Marcus Freeman is that if he can have both Moore and Carr, he's going to do that, because that's what a big time program would do. Get both guys and let the chips fall.

I could be wrong about that, but I hope that's what happens because it's exactly what the rest of the lot would try to do: sign both.

Do you know Irish’15?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I want Carr to reclassify, but it's mostly because he's already committed. The sooner he's here, the better.

However, landing Moore in 23 and still keeping Carr in 24 would be even better.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I want Carr to reclassify, but it's mostly because he's already committed. The sooner he's here, the better.

However, landing Moore in 23 and still keeping Carr in 24 would be even better.

Listening to Sampson, it sounds like it’s possible but may not be probable at this point. It got me thinking that they may have discussed it w/ ND more as an option if Moore is no longer in the picture. He would likely spend that freshman year getting stronger/bigger & learning the system anyway. I want to say he took a gap year in HS so age-wise he may be in a similar situation as Jimmy Clausen was when he enrolled.

 

[NDMD]

You go to ND or a school with a similar situation, you have to wait maybe a year or two for Buchner to depart, and you're arriving before CJ Carr, giving you the leg up. In essence, you're ahead in the pecking order, your depth chart positioning is yours to lose.

Obviously that's not taking into account NIL, which is seemingly a major factor here, but still.

This would make more sense to me. Not too much in the way for early PT out there outside of Ty Thompson; but if Ty is any good, why did they take Bo Nix?

With the Transfer Portal & no longer having to sit a year, this is less of a factor. For example, you take the bag from a program & it's not the right scenario? Enter the portal and transfer somewhere you'll start the following year.

 

[Dale]

With the Transfer Portal & no longer having to sit a year, this is less of a factor. For example, you take the bag from a program & it's not the right scenario? Enter the portal and transfer somewhere you'll start the following year.

Depends on how you got “the bag”. Example Nico signed away his entire NIL rights to the Tennessee collective. So if he wants to transfer sure he can go ahead but I don’t expect they’ll be too motivated to help him earn more. He can still play somewhere else like everyone else but if money is priority, some prospects are going to be tied down by the deals they sign.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

With the Transfer Portal & no longer having to sit a year, this is less of a factor. For example, you take the bag from a program & it's not the right scenario? Enter the portal and transfer somewhere you'll start the following year.

I thought about that too but you have to imagine there's some sort of stipulation for these bags of cash, right? I can't imagine schools are shelling out $1M to a recruit even if they bolt after their freshman years.

If it's truly like a $1M signing bonus for an 18 year old...the NCAA should already be ashamed of themselves but this is disgusting...but I bet they're signing some sort of legal agreement with terms and conditions for the cash. Just wouldn't make sense any other way.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I want Carr to reclassify, but it's mostly because he's already committed. The sooner he's here, the better.

However, landing Moore in 23 and still keeping Carr in 24 would be even better.

This is what I want to see happen.

 

[goldendomer89]

Lock the thread.

Moore will get his NIL bag somewhere other than ND.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I still think that all this is just "manufactured" drama that is being masterminded by Rees/Freeman/Dante(and camp). Things were going too "bland" and they needed to spice up the traction for NIL recognition.

He sat on the throne.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I still think that all this is just "manufactured" drama that is being masterminded by Rees/Freeman/Dante(and camp). Things were going too "bland" and they needed to spice up the traction for NIL recognition.

He sat on the throne.

So do I, twice a day. I drink too much coffee.

 

[NDBoiler]

So do I, twice a day. I drink too much coffee.

You sit down to pee?

 

[ACamp1900]

So do I, twice a day. I drink too much coffee.

Rookie numbers,… do you even ‘40 year old’???

 

[Irish#1]

I thought about that too but you have to imagine there's some sort of stipulation for these bags of cash, right? I can't imagine schools are shelling out $1M to a recruit even if they bolt after their freshman years.

If it's truly like a $1M signing bonus for an 18 year old...the NCAA should already be ashamed of themselves but this is disgusting...but I bet they're signing some sort of legal agreement with terms and conditions for the cash. Just wouldn't make sense any other way.

Depends on how you got “the bag”. Example Nico signed away his entire NIL rights to the Tennessee collective. So if he wants to transfer sure he can go ahead but I don’t expect they’ll be too motivated to help him earn more. He can still play somewhere else like everyone else but if money is priority, some prospects are going to be tied down by the deals they sign.

Read an article a couple of months ago written by a guy dealing with NIL's. Nico's is something of an outlier. Word got around quickly on how he sold his soul to the devil and most of the agreements are more balanced now. Most have something that voids the agreement and allows the kid to leave, but some have a stipulation that if they leave within a certain period, they are obligated to pay back some of what they received.

 

[ColinKSU]

What I still don't totally understand is what the players are providing in these NIL deals. *Obviously* they're providing playing for the school that gives them the bag, but what is the fake value they provide to make it look like they're not just selling their souls?

Like, when we say, "Oh, XYZ got a big NIL deal to come to Tennessee/A&M/Oregon," are they going to be in commercials for some business or something?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

What I still don't totally understand is what the players are providing in these NIL deals. *Obviously* they're providing playing for the school that gives them the bag, but what is the fake value they provide to make it look like they're not just selling their souls?

Like, when we say, "Oh, XYZ got a big NIL deal to come to Tennessee/A&M/Oregon," are they going to be in commercials for some business or something?

They are probably required to make personal appearances and hang out with the donors.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

What I still don't totally understand is what the players are providing in these NIL deals. *Obviously* they're providing playing for the school that gives them the bag, but what is the fake value they provide to make it look like they're not just selling their souls?

Like, when we say, "Oh, XYZ got a big NIL deal to come to Tennessee/A&M/Oregon," are they going to be in commercials for some business or something?

More than likely, yes, and also just insanely rich booster who want their football factories to win the Natty.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Read an article a couple of months ago written by a guy dealing with NIL's. Nico's is something of an outlier. Word got around quickly on how he sold his soul to the devil and most of the agreements are more balanced now. Most have something that voids the agreement and allows the kid to leave, but some have a stipulation that if they leave within a certain period, they are obligated to pay back some of what they received.

I guess I just don't understand how they can explicitly put that into some kind of NIL agreement when we've all been told that a NIL deal can't require attendance to a certain school. Is everyone just taking an attitude of "just try to stop us" and creating their own rules knowing that nobody is going to hold anyone accountable to the stated rules?