'23 MD DE Jason Moore (Ohio State Verbal)

[Te'o4Heisman]

We aren’t sitting great up the middle depth wise… not bad but not great

Agree to disagree. A lot of it after this year will be young, but there is plenty of talent and bodies on the roster after this year: Lacey, Cross, Ford, Rubio, Keanaainna, Hinish, Onye, and Houstan and Vernon will both end up inside IMO. Waffel already committed next year will end up inside and I would all but guarantee we sign at least one more inside guy next year besides him. Like i said, lots of youth, but also lots of bodies and guys with potential to do plenty of disrupting for what this defense does with its interior guys.

 

[T-Boone]

He should have come to ND.

 

[benneboy]

I will say I'm pretty f-ing annoyed that OSU can sell Moore on us having too many high caliber d lineman meanwhile they land Carnell Tate behind Innis and every 5* wide reciever the last 28 years.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Everyone’s like “no big deal missing on moore, our class is amazing”

Really good class, need a few more with even more top end talent …. Moore moore Tate, Nelson, mpemba, proctor, downs… finishing 2nd in a lot of big recruitments for top talent and option 1

The 23 wrs are going to have to step up next year

I don’t see this class taking us over the top at skill positions

We are going to end up with 3 WR in the top 115 players in the country, and possibly another who may have the highest ceiling of the bunch. We again are signing one of the top TEs in the country, and have a composite average player rating of 93.21.
Here is the entire list of teams currently with a 93+ average:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Thats the entire list.

Teams with a 92+ average
Clemson
Georgia
Miami
USC
Again, thats the entire list.

Nobody lands all of their plan A’s but we are clearly landing a lot of them and its foolish to imply otherwise.

Keeley
Bowen
Bowen
Jagusah
Vernon
Gray
James
Shuler
Flanagan
Minimally were all plan A guys, and arguably a couple more of the O-linemen could be considered too.

Most of the players you listed, EVERYBODY missed out on if they didnt land them. Geez man

 

[Sea Turtle]

I will say I'm pretty f-ing annoyed that OSU can sell Moore on us having too many high caliber d lineman meanwhile they land Carnell Tate behind Innis and every 5* wide reciever the last 28 years.

They are just on another level.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I will say I'm pretty f-ing annoyed that OSU can sell Moore on us having too many high caliber d lineman meanwhile they land Carnell Tate behind Innis and every 5* wide reciever the last 28 years.

These decisions almost never come down to a single angle like that. Moore's longstanding relationship with the coaches surely played a bigger role.

 

[irishff1014]

Everyone’s like “no big deal missing on moore, our class is amazing”

Really good class, need a few more with even more top end talent …. Moore moore Tate, Nelson, mpemba, proctor, downs… finishing 2nd in a lot of big recruitments for top talent and option 1

The 23 wrs are going to have to step up next year

I don’t see this class taking us over the top at skill positions

You do realize that under Bk's helm most of those players would have had 0 interest in ND.

D. Moores Dad got money hungary

Downs has ties to the safties coach at OSU.

Apparently J Moore kept it from a lot of people his realationship with the new DL coach.

Tate was all NIL and never coming here.

 

[irishff1014]

We are going to end up with 3 WR in the top 115 players in the country, and possibly another who may have the highest ceiling of the bunch. We again are signing one of the top TEs in the country, and have a composite average player rating of 93.21.
Here is the entire list of teams currently with a 93+ average:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Thats the entire list.

Teams with a 92+ average
Clemson
Georgia
Miami
USC
Again, thats the entire list.

Nobody lands all of their plan A’s but we are clearly landing a lot of them and its foolish to imply otherwise.

Keeley
Bowen
Bowen
Jagusah
Vernon
Gray
James
Shuler
Flanagan
Minimally were all plan A guys, and arguably a couple more of the O-linemen could be considered too.

Most of the players you listed, EVERYBODY missed out on if they didnt land them. Geez man

Shuler i believe gets his ranking updated.

 

[Dale]

Apparently J Moore kept it from a lot of people his realationship with the new DL coach.

FWIW I’m sure an OSU site had reported it I just hadn’t personally heard it or seen others mention it.

 

[irish o'phile]

Moore and Moore want would have taken this class from great to epic.

I’m good with ND’s class, but guys like this and Mpemba added to the current class would get ND to the next tier.

 

[PutuporShutup]

'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Alabama Verbal)

DE Berkeley Prep Tampa, FL Measurements: Height: 6-6 Weight: 220 Rankings: ........ (Unrated when offered) 6-28-21 - Commitment Day 247 Comp:. .. :s::s::s::s: 0.9527 Composite, #4 EDGE, #98 Overall 247: .............. :s::s::s::s: 92 rating, #5 EDGE, #100 Overall Rivals: ...

www.irishenvy.com

I doubt he is anyone's plan B.

We have first options in the trenches but trenches haven’t prevented us from titles. We can’t land a dynamic WR every 3 years

 

[PutuporShutup]

We are going to end up with 3 WR in the top 115 players in the country, and possibly another who may have the highest ceiling of the bunch. We again are signing one of the top TEs in the country, and have a composite average player rating of 93.21.
Here is the entire list of teams currently with a 93+ average:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Thats the entire list.

Teams with a 92+ average
Clemson
Georgia
Miami
USC
Again, thats the entire list.

Nobody lands all of their plan A’s but we are clearly landing a lot of them and its foolish to imply otherwise.

Keeley
Bowen
Bowen
Jagusah
Vernon
Gray
James
Shuler
Flanagan
Minimally were all plan A guys, and arguably a couple more of the O-linemen could be considered too.

Most of the players you listed, EVERYBODY missed out on if they didnt land them. Geez man

Who do you think has the highest ceiling of the bunch at wr? Just because you land a commit early doesn’t mean they’re your top option

Yes everyone misses on their top targets at positions but we need to occasionally land the stud wr, cb, rb, qb to the promise land… maybe we did with Buchner but notice how you didn’t list any wrs rbs qbs

I really like the class but it’s lacking top talent skill… it’s all about what’s needed to win a championship not doing a little better than Kelly .. people are hung up trying to recruit better than Kelly. I’ll be shocked if freeman is a better coach on game day and prep than Kelly so he really needs to recruit significantly better

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yeah we didn’t land the entire Top 10 of the recruiting rankings, shut it down. Nelson? As in Malachi Nelson? Really?

Of course he wanted the $$$ and ND isn’t offering that up front, my point is he was someone we wanted

 

[BabyIrish]

Who do you think has the highest ceiling of the bunch at wr? Just because you land a commit early doesn’t mean they’re your top option

Yes everyone misses on their top targets at positions but we need to occasionally land the stud wr, cb, rb, qb to the promise land… maybe we did with Buchner but notice how you didn’t list any wrs rbs qbs

I really like the class but it’s lacking top talent skill… it’s all about what’s needed to win a championship not doing a little better than Kelly .. people are hung up trying to recruit better than Kelly. I’ll be shocked if freeman is a better coach on game day and prep than Kelly so he really needs to recruit significantly better

Merriweather isn’t a a stud wr? None of the three wr committed this year plus greathouse by the end of the week aren’t studs? Mickey isn’t a stud? Grey? Kyren wasn’t a stud? Lamar? Love? Carr? Buchner?

What we’re trying to tell you is that your opinion of NDs recruiting has zero basis in reality. Zero. This is the best class we’ve had in forever and we’re already off to a similar start in 24.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Merriweather isn’t a a stud wr? None of the three wr committed this year plus greathouse by the end of the week aren’t studs? Mickey isn’t a stud? Grey? Kyren wasn’t a stud? Lamar? Love? Carr? Buchner?

What we’re trying to tell you is that your opinion of NDs recruiting has zero basis in reality. Zero. This is the best class we’ve had in forever and we’re already off to a similar start in 24.

I do have high hopes for merriweather

Almost everyone you mentioned is outside top 100 ranking. Yes you can find top talent outside top 100 but it’s very clear to consistently be at the top you need top100 skill.

Did we land love?

Ohio state this class alone has landed 2 wrs more talented than any 1 wr nd has landed last 5 years

If my opinion is so wrong why has our skill players been the main difference last 5 years when playing top teams?

This class is a good start but we need more. Can’t expect to beat Ohio state bama Georgia when they are peppering nfl first round with skill

 

[Dale]

Of course he wanted the $$$ and ND isn’t offering that up front, my point is he was someone we wanted

Malachi Nelson was committed to his second school both under Lincoln Riley before Freeman even became HC. It’s a useless name to mention. All you did was run down like the Top 15 prospects like we’re supposed to land all of them to truly hit on “Plan A”

 

[PutuporShutup]

Malachi Nelson was committed to his second school both under Lincoln Riley before Freeman even became HC. It’s a useless name to mention. All you did was run down like the Top 15 prospects like we’re supposed to land all of them to truly hit on “Plan A”

That’s a lie… I didn’t even touch on all the players we offered. I mentioned the ones with mutual interest.

Never said we should land all of them but we never land any. How many top 25 recruits have we landed last 10 years? 1 maybe

 

[Dale]

That’s a lie… I didn’t even touch on all the players we offered. I mentioned the ones with mutual interest.

Never said we should land all of them but we never land any. How many top 25 recruits have we landed last 10 years? 1 maybe

What does the last 10 years have to do with 2023 and on under Freeman? We already have one in Keeley and Jagusah is right outside 5 star territory and is going to go up, as high as #7 on one site already.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Am I missing something with Nelson? I may have missed it, but I didn't think there was mutual interest. I remember Nico Iamaleva having verbal interest, not sure if it was genuine, but don't remember Nelson.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Am I missing something with Nelson? I may have missed it, but I didn't think there was mutual interest. I remember Nico Iamaleva having verbal interest, not sure if it was genuine, but don't remember Nelson.

Very early but over with quickly. I could have left him off

 

[PutuporShutup]

What does the last 10 years have to do with 2023 and on under Freeman? We already have one in Keeley and Jagusah is right outside 5 star territory and is going to go up, as high as #7 on one site already.

It’s important because that’s current roster.

Why I said it’s a good start but need more. Especially at skilled positions. We need a dynamic passing attack this year to help attract them.

We can be improving in recruiting but also need to keep improving. Celebrate freeman and team doing better recruiting but also know we need more.

 

[BabyIrish]

I do have high hopes for merriweather

Almost everyone you mentioned is outside top 100 ranking. Yes you can find top talent outside top 100 but it’s very clear to consistently be at the top you need top100 skill.

Did we land love?

Ohio state this class alone has landed 2 wrs more talented than any 1 wr nd has landed last 5 years

If my opinion is so wrong why has our skill players been the main difference last 5 years when playing top teams?

This class is a good start but we need more. Can’t expect to beat Ohio state bama Georgia when they are peppering nfl first round with

We literally have a top 2 class in overall rankings and points and a top 3 class in player average rating. And only three of the guys I listed are outside the top 100. Everyone else has a top 100 rating in one of the sites rankings.

Recruiting isn’t an exact science. So we have no idea if Carnell tate will be better receivers than James or Flores and vice versa. But I think the talent we are bringing in is an upgrade and gives us a much better chance of being competitive.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Everyone’s like “no big deal missing on moore, our class is amazing”

Really good class, need a few more with even more top end talent …. Moore moore Tate, Nelson, mpemba, proctor, downs… finishing 2nd in a lot of big recruitments for top talent and option 1

The 23 wrs are going to have to step up next year

I don’t see this class taking us over the top at skill positions

Don't worry, your evaluation is void of any logic so it's really not a big deal.

Go compare our class however you want to prior classes, both prior ND classes and the top 5 for the past decade+. I think you'll notice something. If not, no problem. Math and logic are hard.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Don't worry, your evaluation is void of any logic so it's really not a big deal.

Go compare our class however you want to prior classes, both prior ND classes and the top 5 for the past decade+. I think you'll notice something. If not, no problem. Math and logic are hard.

Did you say anything of value there or even opinion? Or just like seeing yourself type?

Not hard to see this class is an improvement, no debate there, but improvement of this class doesn’t get us to where we or at least I would like to see ND go.

You can join my side hustle where I teach short people math… class name is “make all the little things count” … seems like you qualify


It’s amazing the number of people that think we’re “there” all of a sudden

 

[BabyIrish]

That’s a lie… I didn’t even touch on all the players we offered. I mentioned the ones with mutual interest.

Never said we should land all of them but we never land any. How many top 25 recruits have we landed last 10 years? 1 maybe

Under Bk we landed one in jaylon smith. In less than one year with freeman at the helm we’ve landed four between the 23’ and 24’ classes.

 

[PutuporShutup]

We literally have a top 2 class in overall rankings and points and a top 3 class in player average rating. And only three of the guys I listed are outside the top 100. Everyone else has a top 100 rating in one of the sites rankings.

Recruiting isn’t an exact science. So we have no idea if Carnell tate will be better receivers than James or Flores and vice versa. But I think the talent we are bringing in is an upgrade and gives us a much better chance of being competitive.

It does help us no doubt but statistics show you need top skilled talent rankings wise over multiple years to have a good shot at winning it all … yes James could end up better than Tate but I’d Ohio state keeps landing top 10 wrs and nd lands 4 start wrs, they will be better long run

 

[PutuporShutup]

Under Bk we landed one in jaylon smith. In less than one year with freeman at the helm we’ve landed four between the 23’ and 24’ classes.

Keeley carr and who else?

With all I’m saying recruiting is not my big concern with freeman… it’s his game day prep, adjustments and coaching

That will be the test… we go 11-1 and recruiting rockets… we go 9-3 or 8-4 and it will slightly slow

 

[Irishnuke]

It’s important because that’s current roster.

Why I said it’s a good start but need more. Especially at skilled positions. We need a dynamic passing attack this year to help attract them.

We can be improving in recruiting but also need to keep improving. Celebrate freeman and team doing better recruiting but also know we need more.

How would Jason Moore have helped with a dynamic passing attack? This is his thread. Go to the Freeman thread or the state of the recruiting class thread to bitch and moan about Freeman and our current #2 ranked recruiting class.

 

[Dale]

It’s important because that’s current roster.

Why I said it’s a good start but need more. Especially at skilled positions. We need a dynamic passing attack this year to help attract them.

We can be improving in recruiting but also need to keep improving. Celebrate freeman and team doing better recruiting but also know we need more.

I don’t think anyone doesn’t recognize they could do even better and in this case Moore was a miss but your complaints are all over the place therefore tough to take serious. The truth is you really could care less about Jason Moore and just used this as an excuse to parlay into a complaint you already envisioned about skill player recruiting.

 

[PutuporShutup]

How would Jason Moore have helped with a dynamic passing attack? This is his thread. Go to the Freeman thread or the state of the recruiting class thread to bitch and moan about Freeman and our current #2 ranked recruiting class.

Wow are people sensitive…. This is football discussion. Shows who has or hasn’t played or coached