Georgia has been recruiting like that for a while though. They might not quite get to Alabama's level in terms of simply having year-after-year reloads, but they aren't going away, either. Too many blue chips to fail despite their underwhelming QB position, which was a point Alabama was at once upon a time... and then they figured out how to develop superstar QB's, too.
We haven’t recruited this well since Jerry Faust! Lol
Too late. I'm already excited.
Yea, UGA is recruiting for staying power. They should be in that group with how they recruit. The last 4 cycles, from ‘19-‘22, their recruiting finishes are 2, 1, 3, and 3. They had 11 top 100 players last cycle. For comparison, ND has 4 right now. And if we use where everyone is ranked right now, could finish with 9 (adding Jason Moore, Love, Gray, Ausberry, and Jagusah). We feel like this is elite recruiting for ND. This is where UGA has been living. Their roster is loaded from the last few/several cycles.
I’m excited about recruiting.
Fair enough, but I think we all agree that National Championships are what we want versus recruiting championships.
Yes Clemson isn’t in the OSU, UGA, Bama tier which is its own. Above ND who should really be in that second tier under Freeman not third. The separator for Clemson from the rest of their tier has been A) it frequently includes a 5 star QB and B) the 3 stars they do take are usually intentional by Dabo to maintain the culture he wants.
Idk, how many of the teams above us in BCR did we play over the last 5 years? And how many of those games did we win?
I get this view, but a lot of it was his fault. He is a lazy recruiter and could have moved up that chart with a little effort.
For what it's worth, ND was #4 in Blue Chip Ratio in 2015. Championships: for elite recruiters only
Yes Clemson isn’t in the OSU, UGA, Bama tier which is its own. Above ND who should really be in that second tier under Freeman not third. The separator for Clemson from the rest of their tier has been A) it frequently includes a 5 star QB and B) the 3 stars they do take are usually intentional by Dabo to maintain the culture he wants.
Dumb question, but what constitutes a blue-chip recruit? 4* and above? Top 150 player?
Yes Clemson isn’t in the OSU, UGA, Bama tier which is its own. Above ND who should really be in that second tier under Freeman not third. The separator for Clemson from the rest of their tier has been A) it frequently includes a 5 star QB and B) the 3 stars they do take are usually intentional by Dabo to maintain the culture he wants.
Agreed. It's honestly pretty shocking how poorly we recruited under him. As much as I loved Lea as a coordinator, what Freeman has done on the trail has made me reconsider his tenure as our DC a little bit.
4 star and up
And what it say about Texas coaching.
Here's Kelly's record against each team currently ahead of us in BCR:
8 wins and 14 losses, including 0-5 against the top three. 36% win rate in marquee matchups and zero victories against the big boys is quite a legacy!
Plus, so many of those games were blowouts, shellacking's, embarrassments.
That 2016 season was a real kick in the balls to recruiting efforts.
The problem is that at that ratio, we needed a ridiculously high hit rate on 3 stars or an elite QB to put us over the top. The first option has too much luck to really count on and Kelly was basically incapable of getting the second option.
True but it makes it more criminal that he is a “lazy” recruiter.
So Kelly's BCR mean over his entire tenure at ND was 55.5%, which is right where the most recent figures on the chart above put us. That's not remotely close to good enough. The only team with more talent that he managed to "out coach" more than once was LSU. He had a losing record against Michigan (/barf), drew even in the home and home series against Texas and Oklahoma, and was basically abysmal against everyone else.
I'll always appreciate Kelly for turning the program around from the end of the Weis era. However, it's frustrating to think about what could have been had he not been lazy on the recruiting trail.
Isn’t this just based off recruiting rankings?
My spin is that BK didn't recruit hard enough. I appreciate that BK could beat the teams that we have a roster advantage over. He couldn't beat a team that had a roster advantage... ever. Maybe Oklahoma 2012? Hard to count Clemson 2020. Missing best Players on both sides of the ball.