'22 OH QB Drew Allar (Penn State Verbal)

[Dale]

I don’t see how this is any hiccup bigger than Ty Simpson. Allar never publicly said anything that would indicate we were this prime contender

 

[irishandy]

I don't see this being a hiccup at the moment. Allar recently became a name, happens every class. Given who ND currently has and getting Angeli they will be fine at QB.

 

[Irish#1]

I don’t see how this is any hiccup bigger than Ty Simpson. Allar never publicly said anything that would indicate we were this prime contender

I don't see this being a hiccup at the moment. Allar recently became a name, happens every class. Given who ND currently has and getting Angeli they will be fine at QB.

Didn't you know we're supposed to land every QB?

 

[Luckylucci]

I don’t see how this is any hiccup bigger than Ty Simpson. Allar never publicly said anything that would indicate we were this prime contender

A top QB picking Bama over ND versus a top QB PSU over ND is much much different. The recruiting optics on this are not good. Whether it matters on the field is less the point than the optics that ND is settling for a guy that they clearly tried to move on from but just did so in epic failure fashion.

Do those optics really matter will be the question. Will it affect our other top RB, WR, and OL targets? We'll have to see on that as well.

 

[irishtrooper]

I don’t like losing (if true) a QB recruit to PSU ever.... This isn’t supposed to happen unless perhaps he’s from heavy PSU country or something. I haven’t followed this close enough to know, but it seems like we wanted him and only took Angeli after he indicated he was going there. Their program isn’t in a great place and their on-field results haven’t been great. Seems like we shouldn’t lose QB recruits to this program. And yes I do know their recruiting is improving, blah, blah, blah - but Penn St ain’t ND

 

[Dale]

A top QB picking Bama over ND versus a top QB PSU over ND is much much different. The recruiting optics on this are not good. Whether it matters on the field is less the point than the optics that ND is settling for a guy that they clearly tried to move on from but just did so in epic failure fashion.

Do those optics really matter will be the question. Will it affect our other top RB, WR, and OL targets? We'll have to see on that as well.

Our view on the optics are getting fueled by Loy (like him but he was way off) and possible other pay sites hyping up Allar & ND. In the end he was just a guy that never truly considered us. Ty did go to Bama yes but Tennessee, Ole Miss other schools he considered over us. Neither are good don’t get me wrong. But I just don’t view Allar as any bigger strikeout than normal IMO

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

A top QB picking Bama over ND versus a top QB PSU over ND is much much different. The recruiting optics on this are not good. Whether it matters on the field is less the point than the optics that ND is settling for a guy that they clearly tried to move on from but just did so in epic failure fashion.

Do those optics really matter will be the question. Will it affect our other top RB, WR, and OL targets? We'll have to see on that as well.

Im ignorant of the minutae but are we sure we are settling for Angelli? Seems to me the offer the Allar was halfhearted and very late.

 

[Luckylucci]

Our view on the optics are getting fueled by Loy (like him but he was way off) and possible other pay sites hyping up Allar & ND. In the end he was just a guy that never truly considered us. Ty did go to Bama yes but Tennessee, Ole Miss other schools he considered over us. Neither are good don’t get me wrong. But I just don’t view Allar as any bigger strikeout than normal IMO

Loy doesn't have much to do with it. The optics are getting fueled by ND offering two top 100 QB prospects late and because of that, never being seriously considered. If Angelli was the guy then they never would've offered the others and attempted to push as hard as they did. When they realized he wasn't the guy, they weren't strong enough to overtake the other programs recruiting them. And, then they doubled back to Angelli once they looked beaten and took his commitment right away. In fact, they put Angelli into the commitment circle in front of Allar once Allar shutdown Rees's attempts to get BK involved. It looks weak.

And FWIW, Allar had been on ND's radar for over a year as he was an unofficial visitor during the 2019 season. And if Ty Simpson wasn't on their radar for months then someone needs to get them a new radar. They basically neglected the QB board for several months until it was too late.

 

[Dale]

Loy doesn't have much to do with it. The optics are getting fueled by ND offering two top 100 QB prospects late and because of that, never being seriously considered. If Angelli was the guy then they never would've offered the others and attempted to push as hard as they did. When they realized he wasn't the guy, they weren't strong enough to overtake the other programs recruiting them. And, then they doubled back to Angelli once they looked beaten and took his commitment right away. In fact, they put Angelli into the commitment circle in front of Allar once Allar shutdown Rees's attempts to get BK involved. It looks weak.

And FWIW, Allar had been on ND's radar for over a year as he was an unofficial visitor during the 2019 season. And if Ty Simpson wasn't on their radar for months then someone needs to get them a new radar. They basically neglected the QB board for several months until it was too late.

I may have been viewing the word optics differently than you. I was thinking optics as like national view, 100 foot view. I think everything you posted above is true, that’s the nitty gritty though to me not just optics which I was viewing as a much more general thing

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If I’m understanding correctly we wanted Ty but had no real shot then Allar decided to go with PsU so ND was left having to take Angeli’s commitment?

 

[Luckylucci]

I may have been viewing the word optics differently than you. I was thinking optics as like national view, 100 foot view. I think everything you posted above is true, that’s the nitty gritty though to me not just optics which I was viewing as a much more general thing

No, that's precisely what I meant. The national view of this is not very good.

Rivals.com - Grading the recent Power Five QB commitments

 

[NDVirginia19]

No, that's precisely what I meant. The national view of this is not very good.

Rivals.com - Grading the recent Power Five QB commitments

To be quite frank, I don't think this really matters. I don't think any recruit is saying to themselves "Damn I really like Notre Dame for XYZ but... They didn't get Allar so I don't know about them." I mean IF the staff really wanted Allar they would have pushed for him harder sooner than they did. There's no tangible evidence that Allar ever would have come to ND if we had went after him harder sooner

 

[Luckylucci]

To be quite frank, I don't think this really matters. I don't think any recruit is saying to themselves "Damn I really like Notre Dame for XYZ but... They didn't get Allar so I don't know about them." I mean IF the staff really wanted Allar they would have pushed for him harder sooner than they did. There's no tangible evidence that Allar ever would have come to ND if we had went after him harder sooner

Well, if it was only Allar then maybe that would be the case but it's not. We're just in Allar's thread talking about because it's a useless thread at this point, lol.

No, otherwise the Ty Simpson recruitment wouldn't have happened either. There is a zero percent chance they had Ty Simpson below Angelli but spent two weeks putting the full court press on him while Angelli just sat there. That is unless they like to completely waste their own time in the middle of crootin season.

You mean like making an unofficial visit to campus in 2019. Did he take one of those to PSU back then? And it's not really just about Allar's recruitment. National Perspective.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's beating a dead horse at this point so I'll sign off on it for now.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

And I think this might make it sting a little more than usual. PSU over ND? Tommy’s handling of the situation doesn’t help but who in there right minds want to be QB1 at Pedo State over ND.

From an offensive standpoint alone, I'm looking at ND the way people look at Wisconsin or Utah until shown otherwise.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It's beating a dead horse at this point so I'll sign off on it for now.

Agreed.... I'll sign off by leaving it with I liked Allars tape better then Angelis. Just one person's opinion... Obviously it's worth little to nothing but just my thoughts

 

[NDdomer2]

To me the wildest part of 2022 qb recruiting is we had no reason not to have a wider/more identified mutual intetest board with how long Buchner was committed.

 

[Rogue219]

From an offensive standpoint alone, I'm looking at ND the way people look at Wisconsin or Utah until shown otherwise.

Agreed. ND plays a certain way. Physical running game, big tall WR, TE. If you look at the 2019 pre Covid version of Penn State and can't understand why QB recruit would want to play in that offense, maybe look again?

I also think not enough is being made of some of the hires Franklin has made over the years in terms of his assistants. He's had some guys come and go but seems to do a good job of filling those voids as they open. Especially on offense. I don't think much of him as a coach or person, but he can recruit and hire assistants to delegate the football strategy to. That much I'll give him.

 

[Rogue219]

Agreed.... I'll sign off by leaving it with I liked Allars tape better then Angelis. Just one person's opinion... Obviously it's worth little to nothing but just my thoughts

Hey, just curious, but where did you find tape of these guys? Like actual games from start to finish are available?

 

[T-Boone]

Hey, just curious, but where did you find tape of these guys? Like actual games from start to finish are available?

Both have full games on youtube. Search their schools football.

 

[Rogue219]

Both have full games on youtube. Search their schools football.

Interesting.

Watching a full game, every down, is actually watching "tape" versus watching HUDL highlights. HUDL highlights are not tape. No highlights are tape.

 

[BobbyMac]

This will not end well.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SWiltfong247/status/1388922479956144128[/TWEET]

 

[Luckylucci]

Watching these two guys in similar settings, they’re not even in the same league. Brutal.

 

[AKRowdy]

If you want to see in-person comparisons, Angelis and his crew will be coming to Akron Archbishop Hoban this year for a game. Believe this is the closest to South Bend he’ll have a game this year. Then stay around and watch Allar play.

 

[dublinirish]

https://247sports.com/college/penn-s...8/#167273728_2

NO. 2 DREW ALLAR, PENN STATE COMMIT

Drew Allar (Photo: Andrew Ivins, 247Sports)

247Sports Composite Ranking: Four-star, 0.9435, No. 11 QB.

High School: Medina (Ohio) High.

Height, Weight: 6-foot-4 1/2, 228 pounds.

Thoughts through two days: When you talk about Allar, his arm strength with his size is the first thing you notice but you also see the consistency and natural throwing ability that he boasts. He rivals Klubnik with the most consistent back-to-back sessions and he's just a true competitor. Penn State has to be giddy with what they have coming in with Allar.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I didn't want to bump this thread because I'm trying to be positive. But I will forever be confused to why we didn't go after him earlier. This dude has all the tools

 

[NDisme]

I didn't want to bump this thread because I'm trying to be positive. But I will forever be confused to why we didn't go after him earlier. This dude has all the tools

Same, maybe Angeli exceeds expectations but definitely puts the pressure on landing a big fish in the ‘23 class

 

[GATTACA!]

Rees is a shitty recruiter.

 

[Dale]

Dublin bumping this midst the in progress Rees recruiting blowback


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[T-Boone]

Rees is a shitty recruiter.

Yeah, he is no Freeman or other elite program recruiter level.
It is up to him to turn this reputation around fast.