'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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Prister's takes are horrendous. The only thing he is useful for is his observations of who is at what positions and depth. Everything else he says is just horrible. It's almost like he always defends the admin and what ever coaching staff is in place. The crap he has come out and said about Kelly now that he is gone has contradicted his constant defending of the staff when Kelly was here. He always has to add a caveat when ever he does actually criticize the staff. Like making excuses why ND will never be the juggernaut it once was because every excuse we have all heard never including the biggest reason which is the current administration to use every tool at their disposal and the coaching staff having to play by different rules then the rest of the big dogs in college football.
Woah woah woah.
I'm the one that took the first Prister cheapshot here (meant to be tongue in cheek).
As Irish4life said, Tim P is a very measured guy. He approaches stuff with caution and a "wait and see" mindset. He's very grounded. With that being said, I do feel like he, in particular, has been taking the Tyler stuff further than normal.

But to say his takes (implying all or most) are horrendous? That's out of line. Tim P is probably the best in the ND beat. He has awesome awesome takes and superb ND knowledge. He is amazing at putting "stuff" into perspective, especially relative to previous seasons. He is great at practice observations and reporting. He gives actual details about plays etc. He gives snap counts, targets, drops etc.

Does he have his quirks? Absolutely. He's on the older side, misses pop cultural references, misses sarcasm on the 247 board, stuff like that. But he's still a legend.
 

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My thoughts on the young QB in the context of this game:

He showed signs of being competitive and mentally able to handle a very big road game against an elite opponent. Mentally he already seems tougher than some past, highly-touted QB flame-outs we have had.

His passing game needs work, but there is reason to be optimistic. Some of his throws were late, which is to be expected for a guy that missed a year of high school and is in his first year of real starting in several years. He had a couple of nice intermediate and long throws that give me some reason for staying positive.

The designed runs were mostly called at bad times and didn't fool anybody. Though I give credit to OSU's defensive line which looks better than advertised early on; also noting the issues with our IOL are pretty obvious. Correll needs to go to the bench and Patterson back to starting C. We need consistent push inside against the big-boy DLs on our schedule.

Rees fumbled the second half play calling, but I know why he did. He knows Buchner is not ready to carry the team with the pass; it's just our OL problems prevented Rees from integrating Buchner more in the running game. I also think not using other RBs for speed and change of pace more was a mistake that did not help Buchner and the offense be multiple enough to keep OSUs defense honest.

The WRs were not consistent enough to implement a full passing game plan. Avery's injury did not help, and Salerno is not in his class as an athlete though he tries hard. We could have used his veteran presence especially down the middle where the OSU defense was most vulnerable.

OSU sat on Mayer's routes and their quickness on the outside often negated his size advantage. Quickness is the best way to counter size (if you don't have equal size) in both basketball and football, and OSU players have plenty of quickness and raw speed.

This is a building game for the young QB. He did the most important thing first, he kept his head in a hostile environment on the road. He ran the plays called, but he just needs to get more consistent in the passing game. This is going to be a process, perhaps one in which Tyler reaches his true potential in year 2 of starting and not this year. How well he adapts to the college passing game will determine his ultimate fate, as he appears to have the intangibles and athleticism that he needs.
 

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I hope CJ reclassifies and pushes for a bit of PT by mid season next year then takes over fully in ‘24. I hope Buchner makes it hard to take him off the field. A McCarthy vs McNamara type of situation. Good hard fought competition with a real first round talent pushing for PT.
 

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I hope CJ reclassifies and pushes for a bit of PT by mid season next year then takes over fully in ‘24. I hope Buchner makes it hard to take him off the field. A McCarthy vs McNamara type of situation. Good hard fought competition with a real first round talent pushing for PT.
Well, I hope Buchner starts for three years and wins a Heisman Trophy and a natty. And then Carr follows behind him.

Was impressed with Buchner’s mental game last night. That was a tough atmosphere and he made no real mistakes, despite relentless pressure up the middle. Obviously Rees was protecting him with the play calling. But he did what he was asked to do. On the physical side of things he missed a few throws and put receivers in tough spots at times. But he’ll get better at that as he gets used to the speed of the game. He does have a funny motion, but he seems to have plenty of arm. I would put the lack of deep passing more on the OL and the play calling than on Buchner. And he’s a tough runner, no doubt.

In other words, our offense has some issues for sure, but I don’t think Buchner is very high on the list of them. And he will improve with experience.
 

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Well, I hope Buchner starts for three years and wins a Heisman Trophy and a natty. And then Carr follows behind him.

Was impressed with Buchner’s mental game last night. That was a tough atmosphere and he made no real mistakes, despite relentless pressure up the middle. Obviously Rees was protecting him with the play calling. But he did what he was asked to do. On the physical side of things he missed a few throws and put receivers in tough spots at times. But he’ll get better at that as he gets used to the speed of the game. He does have a funny motion, but he seems to have plenty of arm. I would put the lack of deep passing more on the OL and the play calling than on Buchner. And he’s a tough runner, no doubt.

In other words, our offense has some issues for sure, but I don’t think Buchner is very high on the list of them. And he will improve with experience.


Agreed, kid didn't look fazed at all by the environment. Our best hope to take a leap is for Buchner to grow this year and be a dude by game 13 so that the next year (or two) are flippin sweet.
 

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Well, I hope Buchner starts for three years and wins a Heisman Trophy and a natty. And then Carr follows behind him.

Was impressed with Buchner’s mental game last night. That was a tough atmosphere and he made no real mistakes, despite relentless pressure up the middle. Obviously Rees was protecting him with the play calling. But he did what he was asked to do. On the physical side of things he missed a few throws and put receivers in tough spots at times. But he’ll get better at that as he gets used to the speed of the game. He does have a funny motion, but he seems to have plenty of arm. I would put the lack of deep passing more on the OL and the play calling than on Buchner. And he’s a tough runner, no doubt.

In other words, our offense has some issues for sure, but I don’t think Buchner is very high on the list of them. And he will improve with experience.

He’s not winning a Heisman imo. He’s got talent but some limitations that keep him from Stroud status. He’s going to have to work bc we don’t have anyone else with potential to be great. He is solid and I was impressed that he didn’t turn the ball over. He needs to grow confident and make the big throws. But he certainly needs time and better receivers. The ‘23 wr recruits are going to help him a lot his last year at ND.
 

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TB had some issues but also looked good at the same time. Never have the deer and headlights look. He threw a dime piece to Lenzy for him not to catch it. It took a set to make that throw and he did. And he made some other throws that weren’t so hot. If the line had given him a quarter of a second more time he hits styles for another big gain. We saw some real positives from him last night.
 

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It was Buchner's first start, I've heard way too many people judging his ceiling based on this one game. One game where he had a near perfect first half and bad second half, if he replicated his first half he would've had 250yrds on 16/20 completions. He does need to be more consistent, which I think will come with time, but we simply don't know how good he'll be based on his limited playing time last year and this one game.
 

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He’s not winning a Heisman imo. He’s got talent but some limitations that keep him from Stroud status. He’s going to have to work bc we don’t have anyone else with potential to be great. He is solid and I was impressed that he didn’t turn the ball over. He needs to grow confident and make the big throws. But he certainly needs time and better receivers. The ‘23 wr recruits are going to help him a lot his last year at ND.
We definitely need to put some more weapons around him and get the OL in check. Then we can give him a proper evaluation.
 

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I tried to find passing charts for the game. It seemed like there was almost nothing in the middle of the field.

My question is…. Is this out of concern over accuracy issues or in response to what pOSU was doing? The reports over accuracy issues this summer has me concerned.
 

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He’s not winning a Heisman imo. He’s got talent but some limitations that keep him from Stroud status. He’s going to have to work bc we don’t have anyone else with potential to be great. He is solid and I was impressed that he didn’t turn the ball over. He needs to grow confident and make the big throws. But he certainly needs time and better receivers. The ‘23 wr recruits are going to help him a lot his last year at ND.
It's weird to see this, because I thought, all things considered, he played better than Stroud.

Stroud had better numbers, but he also had a very talented receiving corp to throw to that didn't include Matt Salerno, and he wasn't consistently being pressured early. Stroud stayed disappointingly clean, while Buchner was getting hurried all game.
 

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It was Buchner's first start, I've heard way too many people judging his ceiling based on this one game.
This is why Buchner gets a pass from me. He started 8/8, then stunk the rest of the game. I think he has a high ceiling, but it's not going to happen after 1 game. If he plays this week vs Marshall like he did against Ohio St., time to start asking questions.
 

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He played well game one for having the offensive line and wrs not really show up. I think he is going to do well. I want the coaching staff not to run him too much this game next game and have him disect
 

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He played well game one for having the offensive line and wrs not really show up **and great D and crazy atmosphere and no film of OSU D**. I think he is going to do well. I want the coaching staff not to run him too much this game next game and have him disect
Above tons tons tons of promise here. Tommy (no excuses here, pissed at him) did have ZERO film of Knowles D + OSU talent. Sure he could look at Ok St, but it's still not the same. OSU was able to get sideline to sideline wayyyy faster than OK St. There was no where to bounce the runs outside (especially Tyler). Knowles really, really limited Tyler's game + Tommy was already calling a vanilla game. Even when Tommy did try something different, Knowles had an answer.

Long story short. Tyler played his first start in an insane atmosphere on the biggest stage against a team that had his O physically and schematically outmatched. And Tyler STILL looked very promising and made ZERO "big" mistakes.

I like this promise.
 

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Watching some of the film a lot of the problems were him needing to make a quick decision because the line was letting guys through mainly the center and guards. There was a few times where he didn’t make the correct read. The ball thrown in the 3rd-4th to the walk on that was offensive pass interference he coulda took it himself and ran up the middle for a huge gain or he had the WR on top one one one
 

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Watching some of the film a lot of the problems were him needing to make a quick decision because the line was letting guys through mainly the center and guards. There was a few times where he didn’t make the correct read. The ball thrown in the 3rd-4th to the walk on that was offensive pass interference he coulda took it himself and ran up the middle for a huge gain or he had the WR on top one one one
He thought quicker than Jimmy did his whole first season. Could have been worse I suppose lol.
 

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we'll find out if he's the answer or not this Saturday. Should be a drastic drop in the speed of the game.
 

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ND has to offer him today while he is at their camp and hope he's a devout Catholic and that his Dad went to South Bend St. Joe's.

Watch the first 4 passes of his highlight and it could be Drew Pyne... until he uncorks a 70 yard rushing TD.

His footwork in passes 2&3 are college level, his vision and accuracy in passes 1&4 are too.

That's the good news.

Wiltfong with the SC CB a few weeks ago.
I know you are a legend BMac, but I had to laugh right now after reading this one. Actually, you were pretty spot on except today Pyne looked like Buchner when he came on in relief.
 
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