'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[irishandy]

I will admit I didn't think we would see Buchner this soon and I still think Coan is the right choice at QB.

If Buchner was in for the last possession does he lead ND to a TD?

 

[benneboy]

I will admit I didn't think we would see Buchner this soon and I still think Coan is the right choice at QB.

If Buchner was in for the last possession does he lead ND to a TD?

I would say probably not. On the flip side not sure if Coan would've gotten the 2 scores TB did when he was in.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I hope Rees can mix in some throws for Buchner. I don't want to see Andrew Hendrix 2.0

I think getting the couple of pass attempts yesterday is good news. But a heavy run set now will definitely help us down the road when teams stack the box when Buchner goes in and we get some 1 on 1 matchups on the outside that are favorable.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Props to Rees and Kelly for getting Tyler in. A few thoughts:
1) this gets his feet wet in (what should have been) a better environment than FSU at night or say Chicago.
2). Rees correctly diagnosed the lack of run game and needed a spark.
3) it showed that the qbs are (seemingly) comfortable splitting the role in a healthy manner
4) it's going to cause opposing coaches headaches planning for both qbs.

 

[BobbyMac]

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[ulukinatme]

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Very nice. I liked how Avery Davis and Mayer had a hand on their defenders 50+ yards down the field too so we could score. That's teamwork.

 

[Irish#1]

They ran the CB blitz all day with good results until...........

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I thought this was an interesting quote from Kelly that appeared in a Pete Sampson article:

“We thought we had this package and then we started just calling the plays that were installed for everybody,” Kelly said. “So, it’s kind of what I talked about with our staff is that the offense has to be certainly some run game for Tyler. But he’s got to be able to go in there and if he’s in there on that last drive, we’ve got to be able to throw the football down the field and do those things. So we’ve got to kind of figure out where we want to go here.

Reading between the lines on that coach speak is the fact that he is resolved to get Buchner ready to run the whole playbook. I think it's safe to infer that Kelly will seriously consider him in the starting job before the year is over.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I thought this was an interesting quote from Kelly that appeared in a Pete Sampson article:



Reading between the lines on that coach speak is the fact that he is resolved to get Buchner ready to run the whole playbook. I think it's safe to infer that Kelly will seriously consider him in the starting job before the year is over.

I can't remember where I heard it, probably a podcast - but apparently Kelly has confirmed that Tyler runs the same offense as Coan. So, same playbook, but this doesn't mean the "scheme" isn't a little different (imo).

 

[irishff1014]

I hope Tyler gets some more opportunities this week to really show the staff that even with the struggling o-line he can be a productive player. After watching the first two game Coan doesn’t impress me at all. He does show a great bit out toughness though. IMO he isn’t really helping the team improve overall. I say let Tyler have the lead and drive on.

With this o-line, combined with Coan, our defense being blah and the special teams being special this team will probably lose 4 games and go to another Joe blow bowl game. Let Tyler manage the offense and build some consistency with the offensive group.

 

[Irish#1]

I hope Tyler gets some more opportunities this week to really show the staff that even with the struggling o-line he can be a productive player. After watching the first two game Coan doesn’t impress me at all. He does show a great bit out toughness though. IMO he isn’t really helping the team improve overall. I say let Tyler have the lead and drive on.

With this o-line, combined with Coan, our defense being blah and the special teams being special this team will probably lose 4 games and go to another Joe blow bowl game. Let Tyler manage the offense and build some consistency with the offensive group.

I think Coan has been pretty good considering his protection and run game are lacking. Right after the game Kelly was interviewed on the field and he mentioned that they are in a transition period, so it won't surprise me to see TB get more plays each and every game.

 

[irishff1014]

I think Coan has been pretty good considering his protection and run game are lacking. Right after the game Kelly was interviewed on the field and he mentioned that they are in a transition period, so it won't surprise me to see TB get more plays each and every game.

Like I said I don’t think he really hurts the team but he doesn’t really bring any special or is a difference maker either. And we are going to really have a down year let the young man that’s mostly gonna be our guy get the reps.

 

[IRISHMAN]

I think Coan has been pretty good considering his protection and run game are lacking. Right after the game Kelly was interviewed on the field and he mentioned that they are in a transition period, so it won't surprise me to see TB get more plays each and every game.

so is BK going to burn buchners redshirt this year?

 

[EvilleIrish]

so is BK going to burn buchners redshirt this year?

Might as well. He isn't staying 5 years.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

so is BK going to burn buchners redshirt this year?

I think he should. If Buchner is starting next year there's no reason he would give ND four years in that role. If he isn't good enough to start next year then you'll have another opportunity to redshirt him.

 

[Riddickulous]

so is BK going to burn buchners redshirt this year?

If he needed him to give the running game a boost against mighty Toledo, I'd bet we'll see him all season long.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Like I said I don’t think he really hurts the team but he doesn’t really bring any special or is a difference maker either. And we are going to really have a down year let the young man that’s mostly gonna be our guy get the reps.

Aside from the running game, specifically the read option, or lack thereof, idk how you can say Coan hasn't helped this team. He is an accurate passer and throws the best downfield ball we've seen in this offense since Kizer. He made several big plays down the stretch against FSU and Toledo. Coan isn't going anywhere; if anything, they may continue to go with both, at least for the time being, but Idk how you can't be at least somewhat impressed with Coan, pick 6 notwithstanding.

 

[Free Manera]

The 2020 team with Coan at QB could have been a legit contender.

The 2021 team with Coan at QB is going to hit a wall (already has at points).

It's not Coan's fault, he is doing what he does very well. However the O line might cause him to lose his job.

If Buchner shows he can make checkdowns, not turn the ball over, and hit his 2nd and 3rd option, he will be starting by the end of the year.

 

[ND88]

Like I said I don’t think he really hurts the team but he doesn’t really bring any special or is a difference maker either. And we are going to really have a down year let the young man that’s mostly gonna be our guy get the reps.

I think Coan has some special qualities that were demonstrated in the game-winning drive versus Toledo. Grit, a sense of calm when the pressure is on, and a willingness/ability to sling it with fair accuracy. I think it’s unlikely that we see a full takeover because of this skillset. It’s more likely a duo QB situation, with playing time for either QB leaning more in terms of the opponent. TB will have plenty more opportunities, and will have plenty of mistakes to go with his successes.

 

[Irish#1]

so is BK going to burn buchners redshirt this year?

IMO he will. Given what Coan brings to the table and transitioning as BK said, I think it will be Coan getting the most reps earlier, but Buchner getting more as the season rolls on. Now if one gets a hot hand and it's a tight game I would assume BK will stay with whomever that is.

 

[Luckylucci]

We’re a 2 QB team. Buchner will have his role in virtually every game. And that role will grow or shrink depending on the matchup and how well the OL improves.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I’m not averse to using Buchner and Coan as the situation warrants, I think there is plenty of benefit to be had if done correctly. We also know that BK has done this both at Cincy and ND with positive results. It also appears that Buchner and Coan are in step with the arrangement (or so I’ve read) which is a huge factor in the success.

 

[Luckylucci]

Coan showed some great leadership on Saturday being so damn excited on the sideline congratulating Buchner. Then himself orchestrating the game winning drive.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I’m not averse to using Buchner and Coan as the situation warrants, I think there is plenty of benefit to be had if done correctly. We also know that BK has done this both at Cincy and ND with positive results. It also appears that Buchner and Coan are in step with the arrangement (or so I’ve read) which is a huge factor in the success.

Yeah, he had a really awesome quote this week regrading him and Buchner splitting reps. Sounds like they have a great approach to it:

On Buchner: “We have a great relationship. He’s one of my best friends on the team, and, honestly, I don’t even need to give him much advice on anything. He’s a truly special player.” He went on to explain that the two have no jealousy for one another as they develop in their roles. He recognizes Buchner helps the Irish win games and said, “Honestly, the only thing I care about is winning… Whatever gives us the best chance to win.”

 

[irishff1014]

Aside from the running game, specifically the read option, or lack thereof, idk how you can say Coan hasn't helped this team. He is an accurate passer and throws the best downfield ball we've seen in this offense since Kizer. He made several big plays down the stretch against FSU and Toledo. Coan isn't going anywhere; if anything, they may continue to go with both, at least for the time being, but Idk how you can't be at least somewhat impressed with Coan, pick 6 notwithstanding.

Again that’s just my opinion. The one clear thing about Coan is that he is one hell of a teammate.

 

[Irish#1]

I’m not averse to using Buchner and Coan as the situation warrants, I think there is plenty of benefit to be had if done correctly. We also know that BK has done this both at Cincy and ND with positive results. It also appears that Buchner and Coan are in step with the arrangement (or so I’ve read) which is a huge factor in the success.

His excitement for Buchner was evident on the sideline and this only works if they both buy into it which appears they have.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

My 2 cents:

(1) Granted from a small and limited sample size his performance was everything you could have hoped for. + Athleticism, big arm, quick release, and solid ball placement.

(2)The fact that Buchner has the faith of the staff already says even more about his maturity as it does his talent.

Let's be real though him getting this many snaps against Toledo doesn't mean he's getting handed the keys to the offense in the near future.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Let's be real though him getting this many snaps against Toledo doesn't mean he's getting handed the keys to the offense in the near future.

I get the point you're trying to make, but he didn't come in to just hand the ball off in garbage time. Kelly played Buchner with the game on the line, and we probably don't beat Toledo without him. That's a pretty big deal for a true freshman QB.

 

[ulukinatme]

The 2020 team with Coan at QB could have been a legit contender.

The 2021 team with Coan at QB is going to hit a wall (already has at points).

It's not Coan's fault, he is doing what he does very well. However the O line might cause him to lose his job.

If Buchner shows he can make checkdowns, not turn the ball over, and hit his 2nd and 3rd option, he will be starting by the end of the year.

You underestimate Book's ability to evade sacks. We're one of the worst teams in the country in sacks given up, we rank 123rd. Obviously much of that is on the OL, but some of it is due to the fact Coan is not mobile. Coan pushes the ball down the field more and gets yards that way, but Book made things happen with his feet and made defenses respect that. Besides, it wasn't really the QB position that held this team back last year, it was a weak WR group.

 

[T-Boone]

Have the second possession rehearsed for Buchner. Get to 14-0 and see what happens.