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5td’s 10 int’s passing against SEC teams this year.

I think we can do better. He’s an unreal athlete but we don’t need to become known as a wr graveyard.
 

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It’s almost like we have had our future qb on our roster and desperately need DTs,…. It’s frustrating, wtf is going on with the DL?
 

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It’s almost like we have had our future qb and need DTs,…. It’s frustrating, wtf is going on with the DL?
None of the new guys coming out should be a surprise. The names of the other transfers came out right around after Indiana and before the true game week grind. The 2nd wave will come in a day or 2
 

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I'm starting to wonder if denbrock is pushing for milroe more than Freeman wants milroe. He fits what he wants to do on offense a lot more IMO than ewers and even Carr does.
 

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If you're Texas and ewers goes off and they win it all. How do you tell him we're good see ya?

Granted he's also likely to go pro if that happens
 

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How does this work with a player at Ewers level? As in, if he comes to ND, does he have some level of being a guaranteed starter written into his NIL contract? Which of course pretty much takes the life out of the more senior QBs on the roster if that's the case.
 

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He completed 64% of his passes and accounted for 36 TDs.....sign me up for that all day every day....
Do you actually look at his passing charts or just the box score? It was posted earlier, he literally cannot read a defense or complete an intermediate pass. Throws almost nothing to the middle of the field. His completion percentage is the result of a bunch of throws at or behind the LoS. He is also good at chucking it deep.

Put on the film from Oklahoma and against Michigan’s backups and it is clear as day that he is total ass. Can’t run a real offense, it a serious pro prospect. There is a reason his coach is publicly apologizing to his WRs for him being terrible and he is not welcomed back next year.
 

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Do you actually look at his passing charts or just the box score? It was posted earlier, he literally cannot read a defense or complete an intermediate pass. Throws almost nothing to the middle of the field. His completion percentage is the result of a bunch of throws at or behind the LoS. He is also good at chucking it deep.

Put on the film from Oklahoma and against Michigan’s backups and it is clear as day that he is total ass. Can’t run a real offense, it a serious pro prospect. There is a reason his coach is publicly apologizing to his WRs for him being terrible and he is not welcomed back next year.

How many QBs in CFB can read a defense, throw intermediate and over the middle?

Most of the top CFB offenses do exactly what you just described. That’s Ewers MO too. Dillon Gabriel/Bo Nix at Oregon.
 

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Do you actually look at his passing charts or just the box score? It was posted earlier, he literally cannot read a defense or complete an intermediate pass. Throws almost nothing to the middle of the field. His completion percentage is the result of a bunch of throws at or behind the LoS. He is also good at chucking it deep.

Put on the film from Oklahoma and against Michigan’s backups and it is clear as day that he is total ass. Can’t run a real offense, it a serious pro prospect. There is a reason his coach is publicly apologizing to his WRs for him being terrible and he is not welcomed back next year.
Milroe was elite throwing the deep ball and graded out higher by PFF on intermediate throws than Riley has thus far! Completion percentage gets less accurate as you get away from the LOS....that's how it works for every QB. I have no problem with a couple bad games in an offense that isn't designed to fit his strengths. I am confident that he would absolutely kill it in Denbrock's system.
 

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If folks wanna really discuss Carr versus Ewers versus Milroe I’d be down but the objectively false perception of Milroe ain’t it

Yeah he’s flawed. Guess what, all the non flawed QBs are in the NFL, and half of them might stink too!
 

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How many QBs in CFB can read a defense, throw intermediate and over the middle?

Most of the top CFB offenses do exactly what you just described. That’s Ewers MO too. Dillon Gabriel/Bo Nix at Oregon.
I don't have PFF passing charts for this year, so this is 2023:

Gabriel intermediate throws middle of the field: 67%, 690 yards, 7 TDs, can't find rating but think it was 90+

Milroe intermediate throws middle of the field: 52%, 250 yards, 3 TDs/3 INTs, 50.4 PFF grade
 

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I don't have PFF passing charts for this year, so this is 2023:

Gabriel intermediate throws middle of the field: 67%, 690 yards, 7 TDs, can't find rating but think it was 90+

Milroe intermediate throws middle of the field: 52%, 250 yards, 3 TDs/3 INTs, 50.4 PFF grade

I have no disagreement he’s a weaker passer than Gabriel. Gabriel is 30 years old, has whatever CFB all time records and will not (possibly) be in the portal


67% percent of Gabriel’s passes this year were behind LOS - 10 yards. For Milroe, it was 55%

The schematic nature of Milroe’s pass chart is a CFB thing, not a Milroe thing. You’re being disengenous tbh
 
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Milroe was elite throwing the deep ball and graded out higher by PFF on intermediate throws than Riley has thus far! Completion percentage gets less accurate as you get away from the LOS....that's how it works for every QB. I have no problem with a couple bad games in an offense that isn't designed to fit his strengths. I am confident that he would absolutely kill it in Denbrock's system.
This is his chart from the recent Michigan game... against their 2nd and 3rd string


Offense non-functional because he physically cannot make an intermediate throw. He was 1/3 for 11 yards.

16 throws at or around the line of scrimmage, only 1 throw of any sort to the middle of the field the entire day. So you are only attacking two thirds of the field (left and right, no middle)... and then for depth you are also only attacking two thirds of the field (short and long, no intermediate). That is incredibly easy to scheme against. Despite having elite WR talent like Ryan Williams their passing offense the worst we've seen from DeBoer in quite some time.

The only potential saving grace is that Denbrock has somewhat unique ability to get production from dual threat QBs. But we should not sugarcoat how unrefined Milroe is as a passer. He does not throw the ball to 5 out of 9 areas of the field and that's how teams like Oklahoma and Michigan were able to gameplan so easily against him.
 

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Thought a bunch of Twitter dudes just came out saying we weren’t taking a transfer qb and we were gonna grow our own now.
 

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Milroe needs another year. Everything looks a bit too soon or a bit too late if he has a window. If it's a wide open clean play he's smooth. So is just about everyone. Be it at Bama or wherever, he needs another round of college development. I'd say the same for Allar too.

There are at least three QB desperate NFL teams with top ten picks this spring. It could very well be that one of them misses on Sanders and Ward, then has to go with Milroe. I'm not sure that is at all the situation he needs to be in.

He needs the reps in college. If it is with DeBoer in the SEC, all the better I suppose.
 

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Do you actually look at his passing charts or just the box score? It was posted earlier, he literally cannot read a defense or complete an intermediate pass. Throws almost nothing to the middle of the field. His completion percentage is the result of a bunch of throws at or behind the LoS. He is also good at chucking it deep.

Put on the film from Oklahoma and against Michigan’s backups and it is clear as day that he is total ass. Can’t run a real offense, it a serious pro prospect. There is a reason his coach is publicly apologizing to his WRs for him being terrible and he is not welcomed back next year.
They made an interesting comparison on GameDay this morning to Jalen hurts. Remember how bad that guy was? One of the best transformations is all time. They said milroe sounds can Lincoln Riley to try and turn him around.
 

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This is his chart from the recent Michigan game... against their 2nd and 3rd string


Offense non-functional because he physically cannot make an intermediate throw. He was 1/3 for 11 yards.

16 throws at or around the line of scrimmage, only 1 throw of any sort to the middle of the field the entire day. So you are only attacking two thirds of the field (left and right, no middle)... and then for depth you are also only attacking two thirds of the field (short and long, no intermediate). That is incredibly easy to scheme against. Despite having elite WR talent like Ryan Williams their passing offense the worst we've seen from DeBoer in quite some time.

The only potential saving grace is that Denbrock has somewhat unique ability to get production from dual threat QBs. But we should not sugarcoat how unrefined Milroe is as a passer. He does not throw the ball to 5 out of 9 areas of the field and that's how teams like Oklahoma and Michigan were able to gameplan so easily against him.

Most of his passes being at or around the LOS is simply how passing offenses have evolved over time in football. The leader in CFB in attempt% at the intermediate level was.....DJ Uiagalelei (34.2%). And for the record Milroe had a higher percentage of intermediate passes (21.3%) than Leonard (19.6%)...and our offense is "functional" I think you'd agree...
 

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If you're Texas and ewers goes off and they win it all. How do you tell him we're good see ya?

Granted he's also likely to go pro if that happens
It's college football in a nutshell.

Day kicked McCord to the curb and look how that turned out. McCord went off. At Syracuse. Day lost to Michigan again anyway.

The grass is just going to be greener for everyone, but the players are going to get the majority of the pearl clutching for transferring out when you will have situations like McCord and Ewers where the program is more than happy to part ways, if not by force.
 

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Most of his passes being at or around the LOS is simply how passing offenses have evolved over time in football. The leader in CFB in attempt% at the intermediate level was.....DJ Uiagalelei (34.2%). And for the record Milroe had a higher percentage of intermediate passes (21.3%) than Leonard (19.6%)...and our offense is "functional" I think you'd agree...
So intermediate throwing doesn’t tell us much. Leonard’s first four games he could barely complete a 5 yd pass.
 
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