2023 Fall Camp

[GrangerIrish24]

So per the safety interviews today and pointed out by Matt Freeman on ISD, there is a new position in the defense called the "Aztec" which is a hybrid safety/linebacker in third down packages. The intent is to make it tougher to read the defense between if it's a LB or DB. It is part of the "spear package".

Do other teams have cool names like Rover/Vyper/Sniper and now Aztec or is this more specific to ND defenses?

i dont care what they call it, just dont call a blitz for it on third down near the goal line against OSU

 

[Crazy Balki]

It's not meant to be cool, it's actually named after the Pontiac Aztek because no one can figure out what the hell it is.

I miss the Rover position, since it was named after the Range Rover.

After all, I want our hybrid positions to be that of an amphibious exploring vehicle. A true finisher car. A transporter of the gods.

 

[Katzenboyer]

It's not meant to be cool, it's actually named after the Pontiac Aztek because no one can figure out what the hell it is.

This guy would like a word...

 

[Katzenboyer]

It's not only ND.. to my knowledge Georgia's nickel is called STAR and they have a JACK and MONEY(LBs). I forgot but some schools call their edge guy a BUCK. I think Cincy had a SNIPER position. Diaco used DOG and CAT for his OLB while at ND. I think ND use to also call the SDE a Shark???

Manny Diaz used the term "striker" for a position similar to what Elko/Lea referred to as the rover, and he's brought that with him to PSU.

Also think Kirby brought the star, jack, and money positions from Bama, because I'm pretty sure that's Saban terminology.

 

[notredomer23]

Yeah idk, I've heard, Jack, Mike, Star all of those. Just thought those were more standard than ND's. Turns out Marcus Freeman just likes shitty CUVs

 

[NDohio]

I miss the Rover position, since it was named after the Range Rover.

After all, I want our hybrid positions to be that of an amphibious exploring vehicle. A true finisher car. A transporter of the gods.

Glad it's gone. Range Rovers are one of the least reliable vehicles on the road!

 

[T-Boone]

The Sidler

 

[Irish#1]

Wish they would give the o-line cool names like thumper, bulldozer, eraser.

 

[stpeteirish]

Him and Talich will both probably be on Scholarship next season.

Don’t you mean next week? We’re three under the limit

 

[stpeteirish]

Call a friend just to talk, go on vacation, do something you've always wanted to do, Live Laugh Love my man.

WTF is this, did I log on to Oprah by accident $

 

[Reaper97]

Don’t you mean next week? We’re three under the limit

They will give those probably to Seniors.
The scholarships at ND are promised for the rest of their time on campus, so if they give them to freshmen, they are locked in to them for 4 years.
That’s why they give them to Seniors, because they are no longer counted to the 85 in the spring.
Guys like Talich have stated this is a one year tryout at ND. If they don’t give him a scholarship next year he will go elsewhere.
So ND doesn’t need to give him one until then. After that he will be on the books for 2.5-3 years (depending on his graduation date) instead of 4.

If there are a few Seniors who are gone after this season, they usually get the extras.

 

[choo choo]

Off topic, but anyone seen a 2023 schedule wallpaper?

 

[PutuporShutup]

i dont care what they call it, just dont call a blitz for it on third down near the goal line against OSU

From 15 yards behind Los

 

[Lberry]

From 15 yards behind Los

I've never understood the 7-second blitz, but somehow it's stood the test of multiple DCs at this point. Lea did it too and it seemed like we might as well play 10 guys, the blitzer never gets there or even takes up a block.

 

[Giddyup]

Hey, that blitz was the staple of my childhood backyard football games. One banana, two banana, three banana, four banana go!

 

[stpeteirish]

They will give those probably to Seniors.
The scholarships at ND are promised for the rest of their time on campus, so if they give them to freshmen, they are locked in to them for 4 years.
That’s why they give them to Seniors, because they are no longer counted to the 85 in the spring.
Guys like Talich have stated this is a one year tryout at ND. If they don’t give him a scholarship next year he will go elsewhere.
So ND doesn’t need to give him one until then. After that he will be on the books for 2.5-3 years (depending on his graduation date) instead of 4.

If there are a few Seniors who are gone after this season, they usually get the extras.

They don't need one year to determine Talich is worthy of a scholarship. Everyone says he's the real deal. Why screw around?

 

[Irish8248]

I've never understood the 7-second blitz, but somehow it's stood the test of multiple DCs at this point. Lea did it too and it seemed like we might as well play 10 guys, the blitzer never gets there or even takes up a block.

its used to disguise matchups and coverages with the emphasis on your front 4 getting pressure. Fast pressure will cause the qb to move and in his mind he last saw cover ---- so his outlets are fd up since the Defense is likely in a form of cover 0 at that point. Once he sees those reads are out the window, he's likely to break the pocket or take off. Then you have a safety, essentially playing spy, screaming down at you with no OL or RB trying to account for you. Can also be used if you think it's going to be a run and want to bait the Offense into thinking you have a mismatch in the box....

Of course the problem occurs when 1 -- your passing and not running and 2 -- your front 4 doesn't collapse the pocket at all or fast enough

 

[rtrn2glory]

its used to disguise matchups and coverages with the emphasis on your front 4 getting pressure. Fast pressure will cause the qb to move and in his mind he last saw cover ---- so his outlets are fd up since the Defense is likely ina firm of cover 0 at that point. Once he sees those reads are out the window, he's likely to break the pocket or take off. Then you have a safety, essentially playing spy, screaming down at you with no OL trying to account for you. Can also be used if you think it's going to be a run and want to bait the Offense into thinking you have a mismatch in the box....

Of course the problem occurs when 1 -- your passing and not running and 2 -- your front 4 doesn't collapse the pocket at all or fast enough

Ok great then leave him free to rob in the middle and blitz a lb instead.

There done

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Hey, that blitz was the staple of my childhood backyard football games. One banana, two banana, three banana, four banana go!

Four bananas?! You guys play with pads and two hand touch, as well?!

 

[Irish8248]

Ok great then leave him free to rob in the middle and blitz a lb instead.

There done

Sure they do that too but that doesn't add any wrinkle into the Defense because it's way more common and the delayed blitz is what really impacts it. Delaying the LB has a similar success rate as the 7 second safety and is still dependent on the front 4... if you don't delay then the odds of the OL or RB picking it up are high... surprise is your only friend

 

[PutuporShutup]

Sure they do that too but that doesn't add any wrinkle into the Defense because it's way more common and the delayed blitz is what really impacts it. Delaying the LB has a similar success rate as the 7 second safety and is still dependent on the front 4... if you don't delay then the odds of the OL or RB picking it up are high... surprise is your only friend

Most delayed blitzes are reads… our safeties should have been coached to know they timed it wrong and back the F off and get back into coverage.

 

[Irish8248]

Most delayed blitzes are reads… our safeties should have been coached to know they timed it wrong and back the F off and get back into coverage.

The blitz in this particular play, if I recall correctly, was just a blitz from the top of the zone upon the snap. My reference to the delay in this scenario is not showing it or timing it pre snap. It wouldn't have made a difference in this scenario if it were a read and react blitz because the safety was already abandoned coverage and out of position. Stroud read his progressions, saw the opening, and threw it before the safety even reached the LOS.

This is based on memory, I don't care enough to go back to look at it because it really doesn't matter and it's a L. We're saying the same thing, it was a terrible call in a critical point of the game. I was just trying to shine light on why it could possibly be used. In my 4 years of college football we hardly ever sent a safety and I don't think we ever sent a safety from the top of zone at the snap, (though it was a play).

Bottom line, give Estime more touches in that game and we could watch highlights without PTSD.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The blitz in this particular play, if I recall correctly, was just a blitz from the top of the zone upon the snap. My reference to the delay in this scenario is not showing it or timing it pre snap. It wouldn't have made a difference in this scenario if it were a read and react blitz because the safety was already abandoned coverage and out of position. Stroud read his progressions, saw the opening, and threw it before the safety even reached the LOS.

This is based on memory, I don't care enough to go back to look at it because it really doesn't matter and it's a L. We're saying the same thing, it was a terrible call in a critical point of the game. I was just trying to shine light on why it could possibly be used. In my 4 years of college football we hardly ever sent a safety and I don't think we ever sent a safety from the top of zone at the snap, (though it was a play).

Bottom line, give Estime more touches in that game and we could watch highlights without PTSD.

I’m all for sending safety blitzes but disguise it and have the safety in the box… sometimes he drops into coverage and occasionally blitzes. Like you said, it was a straight blitz from about 15 yards deep. Not sure I’ve ever seen that successfully work vs a good qb.

My guess is the safety was supposed to time the snap count and already be running in.

We ran the same play I remember vs fsu in 21 with brown and got burned on it as well

 

[rtrn2glory]

I never want to see I safety blitz again. They had zero success with it. They ran it more than just week 1. Off the top of my head they got torched with it in the BYU game as well. I don't remember it actually working any time they ran it TBH. The risk doesn't come close to the reward in this case.

 

[Rizzophil]

I never want to see I safety blitz again. They had zero success with it. They ran it more than just week 1. Off the top of my head they got torched with it in the BYU game as well. I don't remember it actually working any time they ran it TBH. The risk doesn't come close to the reward in this case.

Correct me if I’m run but it’s a semi run blitz too. To bring that safety into that run lane

 

[PutuporShutup]

Correct me if I’m run but it’s a semi run blitz too. To bring that safety into that run lane

Vs ohio state it was 3rd and 11, it was a frichan double safety blitz that was insanely late.

The other issue on the play is foskey was crazy tentative coming off the edge when he had his guy beat because he probably didn't want to lose contain again. Foskey lost contain at the 5:39 mark for a huge play that should have been a sack, then foskey hesitates at the 5:52 mark when he has his guy beat letting the throw just get off. Could have been a sack, break up, maybe even strip sack if foskey explodes like he should have on 3rd and 11. Yes mickey made a huge mistake jumping the outside fake, but insane how bad of a play call that was by golden but foskey could have made it all ok. Joseph runs right into betrand as well.

 

[jprue24]

They don't need one year to determine Talich is worthy of a scholarship. Everyone says he's the real deal. Why screw around?

I don't know if this is getting mentioned in other threads, but outside of Talich's actual talent, doesn't '24 S David Andrews' decision carry a bit of weight here?

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't know if this is getting mentioned in other threads, but outside of Talich's actual talent, doesn't '24 S David Andrews' decision carry a bit of weight here?

As of now, he's planning to take a 2 year mission which would put his scholarship to use in 2026. So, it doesn't seem like it will matter.

By most accounts, Luke Talich is the real deal. Just needs time in the S&C program. I would think they recognize this in short order with a scholarship.

 

[jprue24]

As of now, he's planning to take a 2 year mission which would put his scholarship to use in 2026. So, it doesn't seem like it will matter.

By most accounts, Luke Talich is the real deal. Just needs time in the S&C program. I would think they recognize this in short order with a scholarship.

Well that's kinda what I mean. Talich takes the Andrews scholly spot for now and that double filled position is a problem for when (if) Andrews comes back. ND isn't really "finding" a 2024 scholarship for Talich anymore. This is all assuming Andrews has a commitable offer.

I know a transfer out will probably free up Talich's spot, but this idea doesn't assume that.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

They're currently at 83. Plenty of room