2022 - State of the Recruiting Class thread

[BrownerandFry]

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Try rubbing your temples Counter-clockwise.

 

[Trait Expectations]

I would be really surprised if we didn't land Merriweather and CJ Williams at this point. Both are taking their time, to varying degrees, so a lot can change but I think ND has been putting in work there and is going to close. Schrauth and his dad are ND fans, I think that wins out versus pressure from other sources. No clue on the rest. I think/hope ND will close well though... keeping guys in the fold will be the bigger challenge. There are a lot of thirsty coaching staffs out there.

This with Kanu, Lucas and Wagner would put us near top 5 territory. If we could somehow pull off the miracle of Nwankpa, we'd have our best defensive class in 20-30 years and a top 5 class.

 

[Dale]

ESPN did some updates, didn’t track the direct changes for anyone besides Walker but Sneed, Gobaira and Walker were all noticeable jumps in their 247 Comp.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

 

[arrowryan]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

I would much rather have Nwankpa over a duo of Lucas/Kanu. Hell just to keep the position at a healthy number, I’d take Wesolak over Kanu/Lucas.

 

[benneboy]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

That's a near perfect ending to the class so yes. Nwankpa is the only one I can think of that'd be missing. With no knowledge other than history that seems like an unlikely pull.
But would happily trade that for Lucas who also seems unlikely at this point.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

I would take it. That's 4 - top 100 players and the 5th is top 150. I'd love to add an additional safety, ala Nwankpa but that is a damn good finish and that would meet our WR needs and that defensive group would set us up for championship aspirations for the next 4 years.

 

[BobbyMac]

This is a site that pays tribute to Our Lady, can't we make a deal with Tony Soprano instead? That other fella deals in eternal roster management styles I'd rather not be a part of.

What's next... deciding offers with a Ouija Board? If so here's your next two offers:

 

[BobbyMac]

My "So you're saying there's a chance" 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Nwankpa
Moss
Rice

My realistic 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Singleton
Wagner
Kanu

 

[BrownerandFry]

This is a site that pays tribute to Our Lady, can't we make a deal with Tony Soprano instead? That other fella deals in eternal roster management styles I'd rather not be a part of.

What's next... deciding offers with a Ouija Board? If so here's your next two offers:

Ok, I withdraw the glib Mephisto reference.

And if you say this site pays tribute to the Vito, the Dulcedo and Spes, I will abide.

By the way when my Dad and I affixed a message on my mom (his wife of 64 years) 's gravestone it led with

Luke 1:46..
I know where you stand
I know where I stand.

I'm not sure about du lac.

Eco said this:

“The devil is not the prince of matter; the devil is the arrogance of spirit, faith without smile, truth that is never seized by doubt."

Having watched both ends of the UCLA 88 game winning streak in the convo, it is a bitter pill, exacerbated by the profession I was in to see Purcell's name on that arena.


He is a whited sepulchre. and having met REV. Hesburgh and REV. Joyce, this Jenkins guy, for me, mind you, invokes images other than those two.

I was surprised to see the kid at Snider. I hadn't realized that Fort Wayne had migrated from mediocrity to Satanism.

But it would have been a good futures bet.

 

[stpeteirish]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

Is there good info that we are taking 24? I'd like to see a 26 man class with the following additions:

1 RB ???
1 OL Schrauth or Wagner
3 WR Williams, Meriweather and Ayomanor
1 DT Lucas or Hero
1 S Nwankpa

not too many plan B guys identified but there will because we'll be lucky to get 3 or those I picked,

 

[Dale]

My "So you're saying there's a chance" 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Nwankpa
Moss
Rice

My realistic 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Singleton
Wagner
Kanu

If I have to fill 5 spots and not more it’s, for me:

Williams, Merriweather, Greene, Nwankpa, Rice

 

[TorontoGold]

My "So you're saying there's a chance" 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Nwankpa
Moss
Rice

My realistic 5 are:

Williams
Merriweather
Singleton
Wagner
Kanu

For your realistic 5, what would you say the odds are for each?

Feels like IMO

Williams - 95%
Merriweather - 75%
Singleton - 35%
Wagner - 60%
Kanu - 69.420% (no idea on this one)

 

[T-Boone]

Let's Make a Deal.

there are 19 in the class.

If Mephistopheles comes up this morning and said
"You can have these additional FIVE, but no more? Speak now or forever hold your peace!".

Williams
Schrauth
Merriweather
Kanu
Lucas

Would you take the deal, with 24 as the final number?l

I wouldnt. I'd hold off. I think we are confident about Williams and favourites with less confidence for Merriweather.
The others if we miss out on it will be okay and we would get other good dudes in instead.

What if the deal was: Williams, Nwankpa and Schrauth and nobody else?

 

[Crazy Balki]

I wouldnt. I'd hold off. I think we are confident about Williams and favourites with less confidence for Merriweather.
The others if we miss out on it will be okay and we would get other good dudes in instead.

What if the deal was: Williams, Nwankpa and Schrauth and nobody else?

That's even worse.

X is a must-get top tier player no question. But ND needs more than just 2 receivers and they really need to get another DL as well.

 

[T-Boone]

That's even worse.

X is a must-get top tier player no question. But ND needs more than just 2 receivers and they really need to get another DL as well.

I think there is no getting around the fact ND will need to bring in a transfer WR for 22 as Xavier Watts will probably be the most senior WR..
22 is where the big hole is, 23 should be fine with 2 WRs in this class and the 3 from 21..

 

[Irish#1]

I would be really surprised if we didn't land Merriweather and CJ Williams at this point. Both are taking their time, to varying degrees, so a lot can change but I think ND has been putting in work there and is going to close. Schrauth and his dad are ND fans, I think that wins out versus pressure from other sources. No clue on the rest. I think/hope ND will close well though... keeping guys in the fold will be the bigger challenge. There are a lot of thirsty coaching staffs out there.

If you had to put a percentage on Schrauth flipping, what would you give it?

 

[317Irish]

If you had to put a percentage on Schrauth flipping, what would you give it?

He’s still uncommitted isn’t he? Or do u mean that he is now leaning Wisc and asking what the chances of him swinging back in our direction?

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think there is no getting around the fact ND will need to bring in a transfer WR for 22 as Xavier Watts will probably be the most senior WR..
22 is where the big hole is, 23 should be fine with 2 WRs in this class and the 3 from 21..

That's dependent on whether Keys, Lenzy and Austin all leave early.

If they do, then they all had very good years. If not, I don't see any reason for them to leave when they have the opportunity to bolster their stock.

Regardless of whether they bring a transfer in '22 or not, the number still is 3, bare minimum. We've already seen what happens when ND decides to only take 2 and it wasn't pretty. Hell, even classes of three weren't safe as we saw with '20. It's not just quantity either, ND needs to stock up on elite skill talent like Williams and Merriweather, because they are sorely lacking in that area.

Especially now that NIL and the one-time transfer rule are in place, attrition will be as bad as ever, and the skill spots will be the most susceptible.

 

[BobbyMac]

For your realistic 5, what would you say the odds are for each?

Feels like IMO

Williams - 95%
Merriweather - 75%
Singleton - 35%
Wagner - 60%
Kanu - 69.420% (no idea on this one)

Those are pretty good. I'd have Singleton down at 12.5% but it might be close to your 35%... or higher. ND's not done with him and lets see who plays their NIL cards better this season.

 

[T-Boone]

Regardless of whether they bring a transfer in '22 or not, the number still is 3, bare minimum. We've already seen what happens when ND decides to only take 2 and it wasn't pretty.

I agree, especially as Amarion Walker was injured last season so could well be injury prone and is not quit the sure thing WIlliams is anyway.

 

[BobbyMac]

The numbers 4 minimum... right?

I'd think ND would sign 5 WR's before they sign 3.

 

[Crazy Balki]

The numbers 4 minimum... right?

I'd think ND would sign 5 WR's before they sign 3.

I think they're aiming for 4, but the 3 right names are the absolute minimum.

Right now the 3 names that are basically must gets are Walker, Williams and Merriweather. After that, there's a pool of guys that ND could land.

I say they're looking for 4 but I don't know if there's a solid name for that 4th spot.

 

[T-Boone]

The numbers 4 minimum... right?

I'd think ND would sign 5 WR's before they sign 3.

If we are getting 2 or 3 top 100 type guys like Colzie, Styles, Williams and Merriweather then surely the need for 4 or 5 isnt as high as it has been in the past. Sure take 5 if they are wild swings.

 

[Fbolt]

If ND plays to their potential and piles up the W's this year, there will be several offensive players that'll come sniffing. A good long way until NSD.

 

[NDIrish88]

If ND plays to their potential and piles up the W's this year, there will be several offensive players that'll come sniffing. A good long way until NSD.

Agreed. I am also hoping they over recruit. Given the portal I would take more than 25 since the portal is an option.

 

[Luckylucci]

If we are getting 2 or 3 top 100 type guys like Colzie, Styles, Williams and Merriweather then surely the need for 4 or 5 isnt as high as it has been in the past. Sure take 5 if they are wild swings.

They need both bodies and talent on the depth chart. They have 4 WR’s over the last 3 classes. This is a situation where if they miss on guys they need to just keep going after players. Depending on who comes back next year you can’t even run practice with that type of depth chart.

 

[BobbyMac]

They need both bodies and talent on the depth chart. They have 4 WR’s over the last 3 classes. This is a situation where if they miss on guys they need to just keep going after players. Depending on who comes back next year you can’t even run practice with that type of depth chart.

Yep.

And when the BPA guys don't work, apply that slot to WR #5. They're gonna lose some WR's we really like right now down the road to transfer but that's always been the case. In the new world of CFB free agency, it's gonna happen even more. If ND lands Walker, Merriweather, Williams and Ayomanor or Greene on top of Colzie / Thomas, they need three to hit and accept that 2 or 3 could transfer.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yep.

And when the BPA guys don't work, apply that slot to WR #5. They're gonna lose some WR's we really like right now down the road to transfer but that's always been the case. In the new world of CFB free agency, it's gonna happen even more. If ND lands Walker, Merriweather, Williams and Ayomanor or Greene on top of Colzie / Thomas, they need three to hit and accept that 2 or 3 could transfer.

Why you leaving out Styles?

 

[317Irish]

Why you leaving out Styles?

He gone. Lol I noticed that too and appreciated Crus leaving his name out as the consideration of him transferring out would be considered blasphemy!