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Prosise& Adams in '15, Riddick/Wood/Atkinson in '12, Wood & Gray in '11, Darius Walker, Ryan Grant, Julius Jones and um, the program's all-time leading rusher... Coach Denson.
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Prosise& Adams in '15, Riddick/Wood/Atkinson in '12, Wood & Gray in '11, Darius Walker, Ryan Grant, Julius Jones and um, the program's all-time leading rusher... Coach Denson.
FightingIrishLover7
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Haven't heard Armando Allen's name yet.
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I agree. That and a less than stellar S&C and Nutrition program.
Thanks for the welcome!
ulukinatme
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Rare Freebie from BGI/Rivals. Good in depth read.
https://notredame.rivals.com/news/2019-bgi-big-board-wide-receivers
Click on the link above for Bryan Driskell's breakdown of each player including his current and potential rating for all 11.
https://notredame.rivals.com/news/2019-bgi-big-board-wide-receivers
Click on the link above for Bryan Driskell's breakdown of each player including his current and potential rating for all 11.
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You just lost all of your credibility.
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He wasn't perfect but 7.1 ypc and 5 TD's as your 3rd option ain't no joke.
Interesting to see him so high on Cam Hart. Could be bias since he may be the only thing close to a lock at this point. Not hearing a lot about the guys at the top of the board recently, but then again I didn't know Isiah Foskey was visiting either. Should be interesting to see if they can get Ford on campus but that seems unlikely. Metchie loves Bama apparently. Knox has CB's to everyone but ND. Genson Hooper is a project according to Driskell. We shall see.
Drake London may be off the board soon. CB's rolling in for USC.
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Tom Loy reviews 18 different prospects in "Like It, Love It, Leave It"
Cam Hart - he Loves his pick of ND
Cornelius Johnson - he picks ND, but he has it under the "Leave It" category.
Everybody else he's picking to go to other schools.
Kind of a depressing read.
https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Notre-Dame-Fighting-Irish-and-the-247Sports-Crystal-Ball-119339673/#119339673_4
Cam Hart - he Loves his pick of ND
Cornelius Johnson - he picks ND, but he has it under the "Leave It" category.
Everybody else he's picking to go to other schools.
Kind of a depressing read.
https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Notre-Dame-Fighting-Irish-and-the-247Sports-Crystal-Ball-119339673/#119339673_4
We know.
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Their hit rate on guys they were all in on this cycle is fantastic. Hard to use the word depressing in any connection with this class.
What Loy was trying to say in this piece is, Thanks for the clicks but all of my fake news CB's have rotted on the vine and the fog will soon roll in.
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only five of those eight names are actually realistic anyway
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There may be a reason why that twitter account only has 434 followers
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For some context, last cycle around this time, Jarrett Patterson and Noah Boykin didn't exist, at least to most ND fans. Houston Griffith was, at least publicly, not communicating with ND much, if at all. Braden Lenzy had decommitted and was an Oregon Duck (gross).
One thing all of those players share, is other big time programs really wanted them in their respective classes. Now is the time to be patient and let things play out. We have an entire season in front of us. Chances are pretty good that there are going to be a few of these that pop up again, as they do most cycles.
One thing all of those players share, is other big time programs really wanted them in their respective classes. Now is the time to be patient and let things play out. We have an entire season in front of us. Chances are pretty good that there are going to be a few of these that pop up again, as they do most cycles.
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247/Sinclair Freebie:
Weighing Notre Dame needs in 2019 offense.
https://247sports.com/college/notre...g-Notre-Dame-needs-in-2019-Offense-119439408/
Weighing Notre Dame needs in 2019 offense.
https://247sports.com/college/notre...g-Notre-Dame-needs-in-2019-Offense-119439408/
Great post. Perspective helps
I said we land 3.
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Saw an old tweet by Mike Vorel going over the amount of commits ND had on July 27th each year of Kelly's tenure. I added the class of '18 and the current total for '19 which should not change before the 27th. I also dug into the commit/decommit timeline for '17 to further explain his number. I'm sure similar things happened in other years though '17 was especially brutal.
2019: 17 - Does not include Commit/Decommit's McNamara & Sheffield
2018: 14/15*
2017: 17/14**
2016: 13
2015: 16
2014: 15
2013: 15
2012: 8
2011: 10
2010: 11
* 2018 had 14 commitments on 7-27-17 which did not include Lenzy who had committed/decommitted before that date then later recommitted. So 15 players who had committed before 7-27 eventually were on the roster.
** Vorel's 2017 total of 17 included 3 future Decommits:
Jordan Pouncey
Pete Werner
Paulson Adebo
so as of 7-27-16, only 14 of the 2017 commits would sign.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame's commit count on July 27th in BK Era:<br><br>2017: 17<br>2016: 13<br>2015: 16<br>2014: 15<br>2013: 15<br>2012: 8<br>2011: 10<br>2010: 11</p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/758336640632889344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
2019: 17 - Does not include Commit/Decommit's McNamara & Sheffield
2018: 14/15*
2017: 17/14**
2016: 13
2015: 16
2014: 15
2013: 15
2012: 8
2011: 10
2010: 11
* 2018 had 14 commitments on 7-27-17 which did not include Lenzy who had committed/decommitted before that date then later recommitted. So 15 players who had committed before 7-27 eventually were on the roster.
** Vorel's 2017 total of 17 included 3 future Decommits:
Jordan Pouncey
Pete Werner
Paulson Adebo
so as of 7-27-16, only 14 of the 2017 commits would sign.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame's commit count on July 27th in BK Era:<br><br>2017: 17<br>2016: 13<br>2015: 16<br>2014: 15<br>2013: 15<br>2012: 8<br>2011: 10<br>2010: 11</p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/758336640632889344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Still a lot of time for things to play out but I think the staff did a really good job of adapting to the new recruiting calendar. We have a really good class. Plenty of OV's left to use. And just a few holes to fill. Gives us a lot of flexibility entering the season.
Great post and tweet from Vorel. Seems like jumping on kids early has helped. ND seem to be full steam ahead with 2020 as well.
Thought I would bring some clarity on how ND has functioned with its 2019 class numbers. The II podcast mentioned 20 being the absolute max on their podcast unless something dramatic happened to the roster and the BGI podcast mentioned they could take up to 23. Basically I'm thinking that the analysts don't really know themselves but just have an idea. For the 2018 class, Notre Dame had 27 commits. Here are some statistics in relation to the 2018 roster.
2018 Commits: 27
2018 Offseason Roster: 101
2018 Graduate Seniors: 12
2018 Attrition: 16 Nelson (NFL), St. Brown (NFL), Adams (NFL), Sanders (SMU), MacCollister (UCF), Taylor (EKU), McIntosh (E Miss CC), Holmes (PSU), Hayes (UGA), Watkins (Houston), Canteen (Tulane), Mokwuah (Transfer), Adams (Medical), Byrne (Graduated), Stepherson (Dismissed), Tiassum (Dismissed)
2018 Current Roster: 85
2019 Commits: 17
2019 Offseason Roster: 90
2019 Graduate Seniors: 6
So basically shows what Notre Dame is looking at to get down to 85 scholarships in their offseason. Adding the 12 graduate seniors to the 85 scholarship limit means that the staff knew they could overrecruit to 97 scholarships at least with the ability to tell the 5th years that they are not welcome back (obviously some of them are welcome back, but it just allows you to cover your butt if something crazy happens where no one transfers or leaves early). On top of the 97 limit, the staff went even 4 over that to get to 101 total scholarships without the attrition being included. Now for 2019, the roster is at 90 including the 17 current commits in the 2019 class and there are 6 graduate seniors. If you were to add 6 graduate seniors to the 85 then you'd have 91 as your number and if you were to overrecruit by another 4 like last year then they'd be at 95 which means they have space for 5 more commits or 22 commits. Basically this giant math equation comes out to me thinking I hope the staff gets around 22-23 guys and they'd have room for about 5-6 more guys in the class.
I'd rank the needs of this class as...
1. DL
2. WR
3. DB
4. OL
5. LB
6. RB/WR
7. DL
I think the staff has done a great job where the class doesn't really have a desperate need for numbers at a certain position. I think DL, WR, and DB are the only ones where I'd really like to see them get one more cause then they'll be loaded in terms of numbers and depth at those positions. OL already has 15 signed for next season and if they get a big time talent like Enokk Vimahi, Julius Buelow (don't know how hard they are even pushing for him), or Walter Rouse then awesome but they don't really have a depth need anymore. For Linebacker I didn't realize that Genmark-Heath, Isaiah Robertson, and DJ Morgan had all made permanent switches to Linebacker (I knew of a few but didn't know all). That would make the 2019 roster have 13 scholarships at Linebacker so they are full in terms of depth numbers but maybe just need to add one talented dude of which there are not many left at all. Lastly, I had a RB/WR listed meaning that if a second RB or 3rd WR wanted in that was talented enough, I don't think the staff would refuse them.
2018 Commits: 27
2018 Offseason Roster: 101
2018 Graduate Seniors: 12
2018 Attrition: 16 Nelson (NFL), St. Brown (NFL), Adams (NFL), Sanders (SMU), MacCollister (UCF), Taylor (EKU), McIntosh (E Miss CC), Holmes (PSU), Hayes (UGA), Watkins (Houston), Canteen (Tulane), Mokwuah (Transfer), Adams (Medical), Byrne (Graduated), Stepherson (Dismissed), Tiassum (Dismissed)
2018 Current Roster: 85
2019 Commits: 17
2019 Offseason Roster: 90
2019 Graduate Seniors: 6
So basically shows what Notre Dame is looking at to get down to 85 scholarships in their offseason. Adding the 12 graduate seniors to the 85 scholarship limit means that the staff knew they could overrecruit to 97 scholarships at least with the ability to tell the 5th years that they are not welcome back (obviously some of them are welcome back, but it just allows you to cover your butt if something crazy happens where no one transfers or leaves early). On top of the 97 limit, the staff went even 4 over that to get to 101 total scholarships without the attrition being included. Now for 2019, the roster is at 90 including the 17 current commits in the 2019 class and there are 6 graduate seniors. If you were to add 6 graduate seniors to the 85 then you'd have 91 as your number and if you were to overrecruit by another 4 like last year then they'd be at 95 which means they have space for 5 more commits or 22 commits. Basically this giant math equation comes out to me thinking I hope the staff gets around 22-23 guys and they'd have room for about 5-6 more guys in the class.
I'd rank the needs of this class as...
1. DL
2. WR
3. DB
4. OL
5. LB
6. RB/WR
7. DL
I think the staff has done a great job where the class doesn't really have a desperate need for numbers at a certain position. I think DL, WR, and DB are the only ones where I'd really like to see them get one more cause then they'll be loaded in terms of numbers and depth at those positions. OL already has 15 signed for next season and if they get a big time talent like Enokk Vimahi, Julius Buelow (don't know how hard they are even pushing for him), or Walter Rouse then awesome but they don't really have a depth need anymore. For Linebacker I didn't realize that Genmark-Heath, Isaiah Robertson, and DJ Morgan had all made permanent switches to Linebacker (I knew of a few but didn't know all). That would make the 2019 roster have 13 scholarships at Linebacker so they are full in terms of depth numbers but maybe just need to add one talented dude of which there are not many left at all. Lastly, I had a RB/WR listed meaning that if a second RB or 3rd WR wanted in that was talented enough, I don't think the staff would refuse them.
I agree with these numbers but I am not comfortable that any of these positions will get filled that are left. I think the the kids that are also being recruited to Stanford go unfortunately, i.e Johnson, Sinclair, Rouse, Pakola, etc. Enokk I think stays on the West Coast somewhere. Hooper-Price, who knows. The defensive line doesn't have anyone that is showing huge interest in ND, IMO. I think the board will get expanded for the DL.
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Paid Article: https://theathletic.com/445837/2018/07/26/notre-dame-football-recruiting-georgia-florida/
The move of emphasis from Florida to Georgia is overdue IMO. Like Allen says in the article, the top-tier athletes in the Atlanta private schools are much less tied to the state of Georgia, much more likely to be "transfers" from other states, and much more likely to be "ND types".
The move of emphasis from Florida to Georgia is overdue IMO. Like Allen says in the article, the top-tier athletes in the Atlanta private schools are much less tied to the state of Georgia, much more likely to be "transfers" from other states, and much more likely to be "ND types".
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In terms of needs left, with Wilkins at WR to start, I think the only need position is DE. I don't think numbers will be an issue at any other position. From there, it's best available at OL, RB, DB, LB, WR.
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dat new money working in ND's favour. ND's next RB coach should have heavy Georgia links for recruiting purposes
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Between Miami, Florida, FSU, and now successful periods from UCF, FIU, and SF, there's just a ton of competition for these kids. Not to mention all the other SEC and ACC schools knocking at their doors. I do like our recent efforts in the Ft Myers and Naples areas.
GA does have a huge faithful group of Dawg fans. Even so, there are so many transplants from all over that have little or no allegiance.
I also think Maryland/D.C. is an untapped resource as well. Would also like ND to get into N.C. and VA more as well.