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I don't think McFlinchey is a top 25 player at all. At least not form what we've seen to date - if he kills it this year maybe that changes, but he's not a top 25 player based on his last two years.

Then you may be alone on that opinion. He's kinda high on most preseason big boards/draft projections. I'm not saying that's where he'll be drafted, but it's definitely where he's at as of right now.
 

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I was going through the 247 nfl draft page, and it's pretty interesting to see the rankings of each player drafted. Like Corey Davis, 2 star .77 rating; 5th overall this year.

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Homers call it old, general college football fans call it real. You can tell me how great a 4-8 team's talent is all you want, the truth will out.

BS. Nobody here is "homering out". We ARE calling it like the rest of the college football world sees it. Most people consider him 1st round lock, if not the first lineman off the board in the next draft. That isn't our fanbase being homers, that is the mainstreet opinion.

For instance, here is WalterFootball.com's draft profile on Big Mike. They are one of the most accurate evaluators out there in the market and have been quite critical of Notre Dame players (like Kizer last season) in the past.

McGlinchy's performance has given evidence that he is a future starting left tackle in the NFL and a first-round pick. I think McGlinchey could be a good starting left tackle with Pro Bowl potential.
Read more at https://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018mmcglinchey.php#ZQfaifBf1fcKygx6.99

But no... I'm sure the pipsqueak IE hater extraordinaire is just "telling it like it is".... more like "trolling it like it is"...
 
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BS. Nobody here is "homering out". We ARE calling it like the rest of the college football world sees it. Most people consider him 1st round lock, if not the first lineman off the board in the next draft. That isn't our fanbase being homers, that is the mainstreet opinion.

For instance, here is WalterFootball.com's draft profile on Big Mike. They are one of the most accurate evaluators out there in the market and have been quite critical of Notre Dame players (like Kizer last season) in the past.



But no... I'm sure the pipsqueak IE hater extraordinaire is just "telling it like it is".... more like "trolling it like it is"...

See you in April.
 

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See you in April.

We certainly will. What does that have to do with your accusation that the rest of the board are "homers"? We are clearly right that mainstream evaluations disagree with you. So regardless of where he is in April, you are dead effing wrong right now. Own it.
 
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We certainly will. What does that have to do with your accusation that the rest of the board are "homers"? We are clearly right that mainstream evaluations disagree with you. So regardless of where he is in April, you are dead effing wrong right now. Own it.

I don't think he's a top 25 talent - I don't think he'll go first round unless he improves significantly from last year. That's my opinion. It's a fallacy to say that an opinion is dead wrong.

I see a guy with ideal size, but hasn't put enough strength to maximize his frame. Maybe that's changed with the new super hero Body by Balis, but I'll believe it when I see he's over 300 in November.

I've also never seen him consistently dominate as a run blocker. And he averaged like a false start per game last year. You don't draft a guy just because he's tall. He's comparable to Decker from OSU, but Decker was a way better run blocker.

We'll see in April.
 
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I don't think he's a top 25 talent - I don't think he'll go first round unless he improves significantly from last year. That's my opinion. It's a fallacy to say that an opinion is dead wrong.

We'll see in April.

Take Shakedown up on the bet then. 6 mo bans for who is wrong.

I'll do the same if you serve them consecutively.
 
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Take Shakedown up on the bet then. 6 mo bans for who is wrong.

I'll do the same if you serve them consecutively.

At your pace lately, you will be banned before the bet could be finalized. Aren't you like 2 bans in last 3 months lol.

I edited my response above to elaborate on why I don't think McGlinchey is a top 25 player right now.
 

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At your pace lately, you will be banned before the bet could be finalized. Aren't you like 2 bans in last 3 months lol.

I edited my response above to elaborate on why I don't think McGlinchey is a top 25 player right now.

Uhh no? Inaccurate like everything that comes out of your mouth.


Answer the damn question. If you are so sure of your "expert evaluation" skills, then bet me and Shakedown. We are willing to put our skin in the game, but you seem a little scared.
 

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Maybe you should consult with your insider that doesn't ever actually tell you shit. lolz
 
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Uhh no? Inaccurate like everything that comes out of your mouth.


Answer the damn question. If you are so sure of your "expert evaluation" skills, then bet me and Shakedown. We are willing to put our skin in the game, but you seem a little scared.

Why would I take that bet? I never said he couldn't become a top 25 talent, but he's not now. If he was, we would be able to run the ball against Duke in the red zone.

He needs to fill out his frame and keep it, he needs to be a better run blocker, and he needs to get rid of the false starts (this one's not as big of a deal).

Can those things happen this year? Maybe. Have they happened yet? No.

You guys get mad though - Hopefully we can actually run the ball in the redzone this year against the likes of Duke.
 

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I think we can all agree though that Q deserves top 25, especially if we're going by talent. I saw a draft evaluator tweet the other day that Q is in the elite tier of prospects with Jaire Alexander and I think Derwin James.

Edit: My mistake, it was Guice, not Derwin James.
 
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Why would I take that bet? I never said he couldn't become a top 25 talent, but he's not now. If he was, we would be able to run the ball against Duke in the red zone.

He needs to fill out his frame and keep it, he needs to be a better run blocker, and he needs to get rid of the false starts (this one's not as big of a deal).

Can those things happen this year? Maybe. Have they happened yet? No.

You guys get mad though - Hopefully we can actually run the ball in the redzone this year against the likes of Duke.

Ok.
 

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Why would I take that bet? I never said he couldn't become a top 25 talent, but he's not now. If he was, we would be able to run the ball against Duke in the red zone.

He needs to fill out his frame and keep it, he needs to be a better run blocker, and he needs to get rid of the false starts (this one's not as big of a deal).

Can those things happen this year? Maybe. Have they happened yet? No.

You guys get mad though - Hopefully we can actually run the ball in the redzone this year against the likes of Duke.

BULLSHIT! You clearly kept saying "see you in April". Wtf is that supposed to mean if it doesn't mean that you think he wont develop into a 1st round player? Furthermore, like we have said several times, everyone except you disagrees that he isn't currently a top 25 player. That Walterfootball.com profile I linked (which you didn't read, SHOCKER) actually credits his frame and run blocking as a strength. Must be your expert analysis.

The reality is that you are scared. If you were so sure, why wouldn't you jump all over that bet. It's because you know you're wrong.
 
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BULLSHIT! You clearly kept saying "see you in April". Wtf is that supposed to mean if it doesn't mean that you think he wont develop into a 1st round player? Furthermore, like we have said several times, everyone except you disagrees that he isn't currently a top 25 player. That Walterfootball.com profile I linked (which you didn't read, SHOCKER) actually credits his frame and run blocking as a strength. Must be your expert analysis.

The reality is that you are scared. If you were so sure, why wouldn't you jump all over that bet. It's because you know you're wrong.

I don't think he will because we haven't seen it yet. But he has the frame and coaching to do it, so it's possible.

I have no idea how someone can get so upset that I don't rate a player the same as you. He's not been a dominant run blocker, and he didn't have his frame filled out at the end of last year.

Don't get so upset - we have a difference of an opinion on where McGlinchey is right now. Life goes on, right?
 

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I don't think he will because we haven't seen it yet. But he has the frame and coaching to do it, so it's possible.

I have no idea how someone can get so upset that I don't rate a player the same as you. He's not been a dominant run blocker, and he didn't have his frame filled out at the end of last year.

Don't get so upset - we have a difference of an opinion on where McGlinchey is right now. Life goes on, right?

We get upset because this is just the same tired schtick you have been pulling all effing off season. All our players suck, every other team is better, other coaches are better, blah, blah, blah.

We're not mad... we are tired...

and you're scared.
 
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We get upset because this is just the same tired schtick you have been pulling all effing off season. All our players suck, every other team is better, other coaches are better, blah, blah, blah.

We're not mad... we are tired...

and you're scared.

There's no we, you're the only person upset. I don't think our players suck - I just don't think everyone's going first round and I've pointed out why I don't think McGlinchey will unless those 2/3 things change.

Relax man.
 

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There's no we, you're the only person upset. I don't think our players suck - I just don't think everyone's going first round and I've pointed out why I don't think McGlinchey will unless those 2/3 things change.

Relax man.

Really? Because there's like 5 threads that have people arguing with you right now. It's a daily thing of you coming on here dogging our guys and trying to puff your chest about other teams like Georgia or Ohio State.

You're the biggest troll on this site.
 
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Really? Because there's like 5 threads that have people arguing with you right now. It's a daily thing of you coming on here dogging our guys and trying to puff your chest about other teams like Georgia or Ohio State.

You're the biggest troll on this site.

Ok.
 

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I don't think he's a top 25 talent - I don't think he'll go first round unless he improves significantly from last year. That's my opinion. It's a fallacy to say that an opinion is dead wrong.

I see a guy with ideal size, but hasn't put enough strength to maximize his frame. Maybe that's changed with the new super hero Body by Balis, but I'll believe it when I see he's over 300 in November.

I've also never seen him consistently dominate as a run blocker. And he averaged like a false start per game last year. You don't draft a guy just because he's tall. He's comparable to Decker from OSU, but Decker was a way better run blocker.

We'll see in April.

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80-90% of draft boards have Big Mike a first rounder right now. Not if he makes a gigantic leap. In April when he goes in the first round, you don't get to say it's because he made a huge leap because it's flat wrong. He's already projected in the first round, you just suck at evaluating talent.
 

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There's no we, you're the only person upset. I don't think our players suck - I just don't think everyone's going first round and I've pointed out why I don't think McGlinchey will unless those 2/3 things change.

Relax man.

I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I am most definitely tired of your endless bs. I rarely post but am on multiple times a day. The only reason I posted today was in hopes you would back up one of your outrageous statements.

Instead you ignore me, continue to troll Wooley, and backtrack by editing your post twice.

Who's mad bro?
 
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I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I am most definitely tired of your endless bs. I rarely post but am on multiple times a day. The only reason I posted today was in hopes you would back up one of your outrageous statements.

Instead you ignore me, continue to troll Wooley, and backtrack by editing your post twice.

Who's mad bro?

I didn't mean to ignore you, you maturely said "ok" and I took that as agree to disagree.

If me thinking mcglincheys 290 lbs at 6'7" at end of year, and lack of dominance in the run game makes me think he's a 2nd rounder, and that's BS to you, that's fine.

Nothing I can do about it so we should just politely agree to disagree.
 
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80-90% of draft boards have Big Mike a first rounder right now. Not if he makes a gigantic leap. In April when he goes in the first round, you don't get to say it's because he made a huge leap because it's flat wrong. He's already projected in the first round, you just suck at evaluating talent.

If he's 290 at end of year, and doesn't show any improvement in the run game, and still goes 1st round, I'll eat my crow.

If he's 315 and becomes a better run blocker, it's a wash because that's exactly what I'm saying he needs to change from last year.
 

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If he's 290 at end of year, and doesn't show any improvement in the run game, and still goes 1st round, I'll eat my crow.

If he's 315 and becomes a better run blocker, it's a wash because that's exactly what I'm saying he needs to change from last year.

That's an interesting way to position yourself in a way that you can't be wrong no matter what. lol
 
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That's an interesting way to position yourself in a way that you can't be wrong no matter what. lol

It's not at all - if he's still under 300 at the end of the year (very possible), and he is the same in the run game as 2016, and goes 1st round, I'll say it loud and clear:

YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT AND I WAS WRONG.

But if my team was drafting him in the 1st round, I want to see him keep weight on and have a lot more film of him mauling college defenders in the run game.

Ideally, I want him to get to ~315 and crush people in the run game (these 2 things will go hand in hand) and go first round.

If not and he stays the same weight, I still hope he goes first round and shows that he can be a dominant run blocker - in this case I'll come admit I was wrong.

Last thing I want is him to finish at 287 and we still struggle to push people around in the run game when he's next to the best guard in the country and go 2nd round.
 
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I'll shut up since I'm apparently upsetting people. If it's my NFL team those 2 things need to change for me to draft him in the 1st round. I hope they do change, or I hope I'm over-stating his weaknesses.

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If he's 290 at end of year, and doesn't show any improvement in the run game, and still goes 1st round, I'll eat my crow.

If he's 315 and becomes a better run blocker, it's a wash because that's exactly what I'm saying he needs to change from last year.

No, you don't get to move the goalposts. He's not 290 now, he's listed as 315. Players don't typically gain weight through the year.

He doesn't have to improve in the run game per most mock boards so it's moot. Further, who gets to evaluate that? You? With your obviously accurate talent assessment? It's pass pro that most people want to see him improve.

You set things up so you are incapable of losing after making absurd statements. Wooly isn't the only one who noticed.

At first, I really thought you were a mostly likable guy who said some outlandish things every once in a while, but I assumed you meant well and were trying to evaluate things accurately without Irish glasses on.

But it's become almost unbearable, not to the point where I want to put you on ignore but it's almost like you've become Colin Cowherd. You evaluate the majority opinion then say something that goes completely against it for shock value (or out of stupidity but I want to give you benefit of the doubt).

Then when people call you on it with facts, you revert to cowardice by either changing the argument, claiming you meant something a different way, or agreeing to a challenge that involves subjective or ambiguous criteria.
 
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No, you don't get to move the goalposts. He's not 290 now, he's listed as 315. Players don't typically gain weight through the year.

He doesn't have to improve in the run game per most mock boards so it's moot. Further, who gets to evaluate that? You? With your obviously accurate talent assessment? It's pass pro that most people want to see him improve.

You set things up so you are incapable of losing after making absurd statements. Wooly isn't the only one who noticed.

At first, I really thought you were a mostly likable guy who said some outlandish things every once in a while, but I assumed you meant well and were trying to evaluate things accurately without Irish glasses on.

But it's become almost unbearable, not to the point where I want to put you on ignore but it's almost like you've become Colin Cowherd. You evaluate the majority opinion then say something that goes completely against it for shock value (or out of stupidity but I want to give you benefit of the doubt).

Then when people call you on it with facts, you revert to cowardice by either changing the argument, claiming you meant something a different way, or agreeing to a challenge that involves subjective or ambiguous criteria.

I'm not moving anything. I've repeatedly said he needs to keep the weight on at end of year. It's not about gaining before season starts - it's about maintaining through the year. He didn't last year- and him dropping below 300 became the laughing stock of why our S/C program was so bad.

You guys can get as mad as you want - saying I wouldn't want my team taking him in the 2nd round because I don't think he's a 1st rounder isn't a hot take. I want a complete player if I'm spending a 1st round pick, and while Mcglinchey isn't 'bad' at anything - he needs to dominate both run and pass game in college for me to spend a 1st on him. I'd spend a 1st on Nelson. I want to see more dominance and maintained weight from Mcglinchey.

That goes for any OL going in the 1st.

You guys realize him going in the 2nd round doesn't mean he sucks, right? 2nd round is a hell of a spot to get drafted.
 
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