2018 Fall Camp Thread

[Dizzyphil]

My concern about the QB play from last year was not the status of BW as a 'new' QB, he had the running attack of Adams and, the threat of his own running ability to freeze up LBs and confuse D's to warrant a fairly, if not very decent - efficient passing game.


Not knowing the RB status for the first game (4 perhaps), is this going to put undue pressure on BW and the 'QB Carousel' start again? Or is being 1 year more experienced and older going to help?


Diz
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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

My concern about the QB play from last year was not the status of BW as a 'new' QB, he had the running attack of Adams and, the threat of his own running ability to freeze up LBs and confuse D's to warrant a fairly, if not very decent - efficient passing game.


Not knowing the RB status for the first game (4 perhaps), is this going to put undue pressure on BW and the 'QB Carousel' start again? Or is being 1 year more experienced and older going to help?


Diz
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No one knows. Everything is a giant question mark. We should have more answers around October so check back then.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I'm optimistic on RB and it came suddenly when Avery Davis walked on the field in the Spring game. I'm wrong a lot, but he looked like MAGICK to me.

So... it still comes down to Brandon. (And that's a mystery until the real opponents get on the field with their evil intent.)

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How many of our QBs under Kelly have actually improved after their first year as a starter? Rees is the only one that comes to mind.

 

[stlnd01]

Is Lawrence going to be our Davonte Neal?

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Let’s hope not. Would be nice to get more than one season out of him.

 

[Dizzyphil]

How many of our QBs under Kelly have actually improved after their first year as a starter? Rees is the only one that comes to mind.

One of the reasons for my post...



I'm hoping Rees and Long have some additional influence to get BW to a higher level.

 

[Irish YJ]

We had this discussion 100 times in various threads lol. It's still entertaining just about every time. Perhaps we need a dedicated thread "BK and QB Regression After the 1st Year.."

Would love for BW to change the trend.

 

[jspags10pg]

Golson definitely improved in some areas. Well, he improved in all areas up until the 2014 ASU game.

 

[Luckylucci]

How many of our QBs under Kelly have actually improved after their first year as a starter? Rees is the only one that comes to mind.

To be fair, only 1 other QB has played in consecutive seasons and that was Kizer.

 

[NDRock]

To be fair, only 1 other QB has played in consecutive seasons and that was Kizer.

Well, Crist came back and was the starter in the season opener of 2011. He obviously didn't improve and got the early hook. There is defiantly a scenario where BW comes out and plays horrible and it's Book the rest of the way. That would echo the Crist/Rees scenario. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

 

[Circa]

Based on his results last year and assuming our D is top 25 like most say, I think we'll see 2-3 INTs, and 3 or more sacks of SP. He had 2 or more INTs against any team with a decent D (Cal's D sucked and he threw 3 picks) except for Auburn, who gave them the underneath.

Athlon ranks us:
18th best DBs
21st best DL
8th best LB

Michigan is top 5 in all categories.

They also have them at #5 in the nation. They also are true Homer's. Not worried about fake news these days. Especially sports.

 

[Irish YJ]

To be fair, only 1 other QB has played in consecutive seasons and that was Kizer.

That's a pretty bad statement all in itself given the years BK has been here...

 

[Irish YJ]

They also have them at #5 in the nation. They also are true Homer's. Not worried about fake news these days. Especially sports.

Their DL and LB squad deserve top 10 ratings. Not so high on their secondary, especially considering their stud CB has been dealing with injury. Their O doesn't deserve anything at this point. I'm betting Patterson looks like shit ND, OSU, PSU, MSt, and Wiscy.

 

[PANDFAN]

People would actually prefer a loss to Michigan with Brandon playing great and them winning by luck... What the f#ck am I reading...a win is a win

 

[Crazy Balki]

That's a pretty bad statement all in itself given the years BK has been here...

Well, it's not really within Kelly's control that Golson decided to be a knucklehead and cheat. It's not really within Kelly's control that Crist destroyed both his knees.

 

[Crazy Balki]

They also have them at #5 in the nation. They also are true Homer's. Not worried about fake news these days. Especially sports.

Top 5 in DB's based on...what exactly? Outside of McSorely, did they even play an above average QB? The next best QB they played was JT Barrett...and he ended up leaving the game in the 2nd half.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Well, Crist came back and was the starter in the season opener of 2011. He obviously didn't improve and got the early hook. There is defiantly a scenario where BW comes out and plays horrible and it's Book the rest of the way. That would echo the Crist/Rees scenario. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

Crist was coming off his second major knee injury and missed pretty much all of the offseason. Not even remotely comparable.

 

[snoopdog]

What would you rather have happen? Consider the long haul of the season...

Scenario 1: We lose to Michigan 27-24. But the defense and BW look awesome. We fumble once on kick return and once from a young RB, but overall we should have won the game. BW goes 19/27, with 278 yards, 2 TDs, 0 picks, and 50 yards rushing.

Scenario 2: We win on a couple bone head plays by Michigan 24-17. It feels like they should have won, but we get the W. BW plays awful. 12/29, 165 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs.

We lose to Michigan who may end up 7-5 anyway, and now we have a team (Notre Dame) searching for an identity.

Very important to win the opener against UM.

And I don’t think BW could play well enough in a Notre Dame loss, that half the fan base wouldn’t be calling for Book or PJ to replace him.

 

[SonofOahu]

Phil's throwing motion is fuuuuucked

Yeah, it's terrible. I see a lot of deflections, in his future. He's a work in progress, for sure. The two strong points: his release is quick and he flings it.

I realize the sample size is small, but it looks like Wimbush is still trying to guide his ball to the receivers.

 

[SonofOahu]

This is the least excited I've been for the start of a season. Combine our bad QB-play with a new line, and the offense is going to be terribly disappointing. I think this is a step-back year for ND. Is anyone seriously optimistic?

Can someone talk me off the ledge?

 

[Andy in Sactown]

This is the least excited I've been for the start of a season. Combine our bad QB-play with a new line, and the offense is going to be terribly disappointing. I think this is a step-back year for ND. Is anyone seriously optimistic?

Can someone talk me off the ledge?

Seriously? It's taken years for Coach Kelly to really understand what he's needed to do to succeed as the Head Football Coach at Notre Dame in the modern era and then build the program up. Reporters are talking about the brief periods they've been able to see and dropping quotes like, "the most athletic Irish team I've seen since Holtz." Have you seen ESPN's FPI, playoff and Championship projections?

Which leads me to ask.. where are you getting your news from? MGOBLOG?

You dropped worry with ZERO substantiation as to why the sky is falling. Color me confused.

Are you a banana?

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[GoldenToTheGrave]

This is the least excited I've been for the start of a season. Combine our bad QB-play with a new line, and the offense is going to be terribly disappointing. I think this is a step-back year for ND. Is anyone seriously optimistic?

Can someone talk me off the ledge?

I mean we've had coaching changes that it's too early to determine the results of and a QB who struggled at the end of his rookie season but other than that we're a better team than the 10-3 team we had last year. Yea we lost 2 high first round Oline and I don't discount the issue but those are easily our two biggest losses at the position with our highest highest pedigree depth. Even if our QB isn't a world beater we beat a decent LSU team with our green backup QB. There are arguably fewer obvious holes in this team than we had last year, 2015, or even 2012 at this juncture.

 

[stlnd01]

This is the least excited I've been for the start of a season. Combine our bad QB-play with a new line, and the offense is going to be terribly disappointing. I think this is a step-back year for ND. Is anyone seriously optimistic?

Can someone talk me off the ledge?

Agree the offense has some question marks, but there's a lot of guys with potential. Some of them will turn up, and Wimbush almost has to improve.
Our defense, meanwhile, may have the best combination of talent and depth we've seen since probably the Davie era. The line and backfield are both set up to be generationally good units, and we have two proven studs anchoring the middle at linebacker.
The schedule is a grind, but we don't play anyone who you'd say is better than we are, on paper at least. There is no reason we can't go 10-2 and make an NY6, with a legit shot at the playoffs if we catch some breaks.

How's that?

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Some of you are worried about our offense did you watch Michigan last year? I don’t understand the hype for Shea Patterson he throws a lot of INT he struggles against good defenses. On our offense I’m excited we have some big body WR guys and we have tons of speed, our OL is better than Michigan and so is our group of TE’s

 

[EddytoNow]

Some of you are worried about our offense did you watch Michigan last year? I don’t understand the hype for Shea Patterson he throws a lot of INT he struggles against good defenses. On our offense I’m excited we have some big body WR guys and we have tons of speed, our OL is better than Michigan and so is our group of TE’s

It's not our offense per se. It''s our offense against top defenses. If we have trouble running the ball and we are forced to rely on the passing game, we have seen no evidence to date that Wimbush can carry the team with his arm. However, it doesn't fall entirely on Wimbush. The coaching staff has continued to play the downfield passing game when it is obvious that Wimbush doesn't have the luxury of time to wait. The play-calling has to help him out. In other words, a short pass, move the chains, ball-control offense.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I honestly think their defense is a little to overhyped South Carolina out 26 on them and Indiana put 20 every other team scored anywhere from 25 to at least 10 let’s face it if a shitty minn team can score 10 on them we should at least score 20-25. We score almost 20 on Georgia last year and I’d say Georgia defense was better in my eyes because they played tougher competition

 

[OhioIrish31]

This is the least excited I've been for the start of a season. Combine our bad QB-play with a new line, and the offense is going to be terribly disappointing. I think this is a step-back year for ND. Is anyone seriously optimistic?

Can someone talk me off the ledge?

No...I'd prefer you go ahead and Jump. I think we are all focusing on BW's arm and forgetting about his legs. Trying to defend a QB that can also run like that is a bitch. Yes, we might have to pass a little...to set up the run. But if BW improves just a little with accuracy (and our receivers create a little more separation) this year then I think we have an epic season!

 

[Crazy Balki]

It's not our offense per se. It''s our offense against top defenses. If we have trouble running the ball and we are forced to rely on the passing game, we have seen no evidence to date that Wimbush can carry the team with his arm. However, it doesn't fall entirely on Wimbush. The coaching staff has continued to play the downfield passing game when it is obvious that Wimbush doesn't have the luxury of time to wait. The play-calling has to help him out. In other words, a short pass, move the chains, ball-control offense.

Michigan State was a top 20 defense last year, on the road, at night. Wimbush had his best passing night of the season. I'd say that's sufficient evidence...more than you can say for Patterson.

 

[GowerND11]

Yeah, it's terrible. I see a lot of deflections, in his future. He's a work in progress, for sure. The two strong points: his release is quick and he flings it.

I realize the sample size is small, but it looks like Wimbush is still trying to guide his ball to the receivers.

It's not a terrible throwing motion guys... Plus Phil is 6'5". He throws it at a spot where the ball is, say 6'3" at the worst. Wimbush is 6'1", so even with a perfect motion he's throwing at about that same height. Tell me how many batted balls He had, or Golson, or Rees... How many batted balls does Drew Brees or Russell Wilson experience. It's a red herring.

 

[NDRock]

Crist was coming off his second major knee injury and missed pretty much all of the offseason. Not even remotely comparable.

Not true at all. He played in the Spring game that year. Crist's issues were mostly mental and I think BW suffered from that last year. Has all the physical tools in the world but the real test will be when he faces some adversity. Crist folded, we'll see about BW.