2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Cackalacky]

Cack, the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center estimate the Klan at something like 3,000-5,000 members. That number of men is capable of some heinous acts but as a political force, which is what we're talking about, they're statistically zero. I'm not denying the evil that exists but it has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Racists aren't why he got elected nor will his election create new racists.

1. The KKK is not the only organization that is opearting. In fact, the KKK was hit so hard by the US government that is has little operating power. Here is a brief list from Wikipedia current groups. I am betting its more than just 5000-8000 people:



And I agree that not trump people are racists, but again... the racists in this country have migrated to Trump as they are leaving the traditional Republican party behind. Its just a warning but you need only look what happened with the Southern Strategy post-Nixon to see where the racists did go politically. They are now moving towards Trump for many reasons. Trump supporters should realize that this is inevitable and not some random occurrence with no significance.

The current president is BARACK OBAMA, and he won twice. Is your argument that all these racists are more pro-Trump in 2016 than they were anti-Obama in 2004 and 2008? It makes no sense.

Also, if there are racists anyplace, it's South Carolina, right? Tim Scott got more total votes and a higher percentage than Donald Trump in South Carolina. Meaning the racist Republican voters like black Tim Scott more than white nationalist Donald Trump. Worst racists ever.

You keep changing the point you're making so you can argue with me. For the billionth time, I'm not saying there are no racists. I'm saying there's nowhere near enough racists to make the political difference that people are attributing to Donald Trump.

I hate Barack and Michelle Obama too. That doesn't make me a racist. I also hate Lena Dunham and Michael Moore.

wtf? I never said what you are claiming. In fact I did say the opposite above. But you keep ignoring that the racists in this State particularly are 100% Pro Trump. That has zero fuck alls to do with whomever voted for Tim Scott or how Barack Obama did nationally. I dont think you understand what you are actually saying.

 

[connor_in]

Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press - CBS News

 

[ACamp1900]

But you keep ignoring that the racists in this State particularly are 100% Pro Trump.

Maybe I missed something previously but,...

In fairness how do we know this aside from pure assumption??? Was there a state specific portion on the ballot:

"How do you identify??

A.) Racist
B.) Non racist""

??

 

[IrishinSyria]

For everyone who thinks this country is about to go down the toilet with Trump, I give you hope.

You're right- there is hope.

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe I missed something previously but,...

In fairness how do we know this aside from pure assumption??? Was there a state specific portion on the ballot:

"How do you identify??

A.) Racist
B.) Non racist""

??

LOL. Sure maybe not 100%. It was through reasonable deduction and 25 years of personal experience though. But truthfully..."I hate N****s" is not on any voting form. I am not totally sure they would vote for Hillary though given a chance.

1. You cant write in a president in SC (which I planned to but was unable)
2. This state is approximately 65%-35% lean Republican/Democrat. 95% of blacks are dems. 89% of Hispanics are Dems.
3. The current democratic sentiment in this state is very poor. I normally dont even allow my more progressive leanings to be displayed in public. The mood is very regressive since 2008.
4. Outside of Charleston and Columbia, the overwhelming state wide white male population is R.
5. This is an assumption that if you are a conservative white male and racist, you would most likely vote for Trump in this election given the history that white male conservatives who are racist have been voting Republican since the 1960s when they left the Democratic party.

But you are right.... we dont track racists and I am sure there were some white conservative males who voted for Hillary. Its totally possible.

 

[ACamp1900]

LOL. Sure maybe not 100%. It was through reasonable deduction and 25 years of personal experience though. But truthfully..."I hate N****s" is not on any voting form.

Wait, we're talking racism towards black people???!!

 

[yankeehater]

Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press - CBS News

Funny this comes from CBS.

This morning, CBS described the meeting today between Mrs. Obama and Melania Trump as "interesting." Why?

The First Lady with her " multiple advanced degrees" and Melania although elegant "remember her nude photos." Wow! Can't believe they went there. Ban the SI swimsuit issue!

 

[Cackalacky]

Cack you seem to deal with a lot of disturbing things in your area and I can see how much it bothers you. Have you ever considered moving elsewhere?

Sure all the time. I am always looking for a better place.

 

[Cackalacky]

Wait, we're talking racism towards black people???!!

I was under the impression that is what we were talking about within the context of my anecdote.

But yeah the race relations here are still not even good which is the whole point. I am sure racist minorities would likely vote Dem. for sure.

 

[yankeehater]

Congrats to Kellyanne! I really believe when she came on board she was able to keep Trump on track. Funny how Trump looks down on women yet had a woman in the most important position in his campaign.

I also feel Trump listens to Ivanka and she will be more of an influence on helping women and millennials than we would have seen if Hillary would have won.

Kellyanne Conway becomes the first female to successfully run GOP presidential campaign | fox4kc.com

 

[connor_in]

Here are Hugh Hewitt’s rules for Donald Trump to help ensure a successful transition – twitchy.com

Interesting set of transition rules proposed

 

[ACamp1900]

I was under the impression that is what we were talking about within the context of my anecdote.

But yeah the race relations here are still not even good which is the whole point. I am sure racist minorities would likely vote Dem. for sure.

Just being a goof ball Cack hence the italics when I hardly ever use them even when being sarcastic... I'm certainly not trying to diminish a serious topic... I guess i couldn't help myself.

I bow my head in shame.

 

[tussin]

Before I forget, I received this email yesterday:

 

[connor_in]

MoveOn Petitions - Tell the Electoral College to cast their votes for Hillary Clinton.

Sore losers at MoveOn.org get ‘Tell the Electoral College’ trending; gets hijacked by pro-Trump supporters – twitchy.com

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Tell%20the%20Electoral%20College%22&src=tren

 

[gkIrish]

wtf? I never said what you are claiming. In fact I did say the opposite above. But you keep ignoring that the racists in this State particularly are 100% Pro Trump. That has zero fuck alls to do with whomever voted for Tim Scott or how Barack Obama did nationally. I dont think you understand what you are actually saying.

I think you and Wiz are not on the same page. You are both right.

You are right because 100% (or close to that) of racists voted for Trump.

He is right because he is saying that (a) doesn't mean Trump won the election due to that fact and (b) his electorate as a whole are not racist.

The proof is that Tim Scott received a higher percentage of votes and more total votes. If Trump's supporters were predominately racist there is literally no way this could happen. It doesn't make one iota of sense.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So it looks like <a href="https://twitter.com/voxdotcom">@voxdotcom</a> is taking things well. <a href="https://t.co/1z2zJsObMG">pic.twitter.com/1z2zJsObMG</a></p>— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) <a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/796462088344498176">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav">@seanmdav</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher">@NumbersMuncher</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/voxdotcom">@voxdotcom</a> They are correct, 7 million Obama voters didn't show up for the white lady</p>— Jeremy P (@GoDownSwingin) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoDownSwingin/status/796462945312133122">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[IrishBroker]

MoveOn Petitions - Tell the Electoral College to cast their votes for Hillary Clinton.

Sore losers at MoveOn.org get ‘Tell the Electoral College’ trending; gets hijacked by pro-Trump supporters – twitchy.com

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Tell%20the%20Electoral%20College%22&src=tren

The beauty of all this is, they're only going to get 8 years outta Trump if they keep up the same whiny, judgmental, behavior that got him elected in the first place.

This is only giving those that voted for Trump, more fuel.

If you want someone to look at you another way, you don't keep exhibiting the same behavior. It's NOT THEM that needs to change.

 

[Cackalacky]

Just being a goof ball Cack hence the italics when I hardly ever use them even when being sarcastic... I'm certainly not trying to diminish a serious topic... I guess i couldn't help myself.

I bow my head in shame.

Yeah my bad. It literally just boils my blood when people say there is not a real problem, or its isolated to singular people, or that the struggle is over. I have seen enough in my lifetime that I feel sorry for what my son will see and struggle with how to handle it knowing full well he might the same or worse. Then to come on here with people I do respect making light of it or completely blowing it off is tough.

I have more than enough stories personally to keep a racism thread going for a while.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is not a parody. <a href="https://t.co/vcfQ2K41LE">pic.twitter.com/vcfQ2K41LE</a></p>— Jason C. (@CounterMoonbat) <a href="https://twitter.com/CounterMoonbat/status/796552089543573504">November 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Cackalacky]

I think you and Wiz are not on the same page. You are both right.

You are right because 100% (or close to that) of racists voted for Trump.

He is right because he is saying that (a) doesn't mean Trump won the election due to that fact and (b) his electorate as a whole are not racist.

The proof is that Tim Scott received a higher percentage of votes and more total votes. If Trump's supporters were predominately racist there is literally no way this could happen. It doesn't make one iota of sense.

ooooorrrrrr that Tim Scott received votes from people who are not Republicans. His opponent was a Democrat black minister and only garnered 37% of the total vote. So that doesnt really help wizards point at all. It makes sense when you factor in Democrat voters voting for Tim because even here, Democrats are still fairly conservative and not Progressives like in New York, Illinois or Cali.

 

[IrishinSyria]

McConnell already throwing shade on the one good point of Trump's transition plan- the massive investment in infrastructure. This is something Dems can get on board with (after all, it's nearly identical to the Obama plan the GOP blocked).

It's tough to see anywhere else I would support working with Trump. GOP spent the last 8 years sending the message LOUD AND CLEAR that they're willing to put partisan politics before all else, no reason dems should bend over and take an agenda they don't believe in for the sake of unity or some shit.

On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell mostly made nice with Trump but also shot down or expressed little enthusiasm in some of his plans. On Trump’s proposal to impose term limits on Congress, McConnell said “it will not be on the agenda in the Senate.” McConnell has been a long-standing opponent of term limits, as NPR’s Susan Davis reports. “I would say we have term limits now, they’re called elections.”

McConnell also threw some cold water on Trump’s infrastructure plans, not calling it a top priority.

 

[connor_in]

‘Chuck’ star Zachary Levi refuses to smear Trump voters (and takes heat for it) – twitchy.com

 

[IrishBroker]

McConnell already throwing shade on the one good point of Trump's transition plan- the massive investment in infrastructure. This is something Dems can get on board with (after all, it's nearly identical to the Obama plan the GOP blocked).

It's tough to see anywhere else I would support working with Trump. GOP spent the last 8 years sending the message LOUD AND CLEAR that they're willing to put partisan politics before all else, no reason dems should bend over and take an agenda they don't believe in for the sake of unity or some shit.

I agree with Trump on that as well. And he has some experience in that area (privately, that is)


So you're saying that Dems should be obstructionists? Oh my have the times changed.....

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think you and Wiz are not on the same page. You are both right.

You are right because 100% (or close to that) of racists voted for Trump.

He is right because he is saying that (a) doesn't mean Trump won the election due to that fact and (b) his electorate as a whole are not racist.

The proof is that Tim Scott received a higher percentage of votes and more total votes. If Trump's supporters were predominately racist there is literally no way this could happen. It doesn't make one iota of sense.

Yeah I don't think people voted for a black dood proves anything but outside of that I think racists voted for trump and non-racists voted for trump are mutually exclusive at all.

 

[ACamp1900]

On a side: I think this "I'm moving to another country" stuff is interesting and shows the complete, massive, disconnect from reality some have,... I get it's easier for those with wealth, I'm not talking the celebs here, I'm talking all the average Joe's... they think people can just up and move wherever they want like is a world wide right and that other countries have the same insane immigration policies that we have... go ahead, try to just up and move the Canada or Denmark tomorrow..... let us know how that works out for you....

 

[IrishBroker]

‘Chuck’ star Zachary Levi refuses to smear Trump voters (and takes heat for it) – twitchy.com

Seriously. I'm gonna say this with all honestly...These types are WORSE than any racist I've ever encountered.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I agree with Trump on that as well. And he has some experience in that area (privately, that is)


So you're saying that Dems should be obstructionists? Oh my have the times changed.....

I mean it is what it is. It's not the politics I want to see. It's not the country I want to live in. And when there's common ground (like on the infrastructure plan) I still don't think it's worth it.

But you can't have one party trying to engage in good faith and one party who takes their ball and goes home every time they're not up to bat. The GOP set the standard: The GOP's no-compromise pledge - POLITICO and if those are the rules of the game they want to use, I don't see why dems should just lie back and take it.

Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

 

[IrishBroker]

I think you and Wiz are not on the same page. You are both right.

You are right because 100% (or close to that) of racists voted for Trump.

He is right because he is saying that (a) doesn't mean Trump won the election due to that fact and (b) his electorate as a whole are not racist.

The proof is that Tim Scott received a higher percentage of votes and more total votes. If Trump's supporters were predominately racist there is literally no way this could happen. It doesn't make one iota of sense.

What? You got some statistics? And are you including minority racists as well?

 

[Shamrock Theories]

McConnell already throwing shade on the one good point of Trump's transition plan- the massive investment in infrastructure. This is something Dems can get on board with (after all, it's nearly identical to the Obama plan the GOP blocked).

It's tough to see anywhere else I would support working with Trump. GOP spent the last 8 years sending the message LOUD AND CLEAR that they're willing to put partisan politics before all else, no reason dems should bend over and take an agenda they don't believe in for the sake of unity or some shit.

Wait I thought Trump was the Republican nominee? You're telling me he isn't a conservative???

Should be interesting. Anyone who says they know what he will do is lying. That's scary, but definitely interesting.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Okay, so this is going to come out of nowhere, but I've been thinking about how Hillary is supposed to be this "women's champion", but there is nothing about her that makes her appear to be a strong woman. Her, along with her assistant Huma, both have husbands who have been PUBLICLY found to have been cheating on them, and yet they continue to stay with them. For everyone, this makes it obvious that the marriage is only for political gain and hardly real. In the average American's viewpoint, she is not a strong woman. She is hardly a role model for young girls. She is a sellout and a sham.

She might have won more female votes if she had divorced her husband.

/EndRant

Meanwhile the "values voters" in this country voted for a guy who trades in his wives like people trade in cars. Swings both ways.