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15-5 final. ND was up 14-3 heading into the 4th and emptied the bench for the entire 4Q.

ND will need to win one of the remaining three games to make the tournament by virtue of being above .500... should be doable but they will all be against ranked teams.

I was there for the first quarter. It was obvious very early the difference in talent level, and it was only 4-1 at the end of the quarter.

And I even saw Kavanaugh score a goal! Haha, but watching him, it's clear what a good player he is, and he's a much better passer than I remember last year. He gave some incredible passes hat should have lead to goals that his teammates either missed or failed to pull the trigger.
 

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I was there for the first quarter. It was obvious very early the difference in talent level, and it was only 4-1 at the end of the quarter.

And I even saw Kavanaugh score a goal! Haha, but watching him, it's clear what a good player he is, and he's a much better passer than I remember last year. He gave some incredible passes hat should have lead to goals that his teammates either missed or failed to pull the trigger.

You skipped the blue and gold game for lacrosse!?!

Serious question... we're there any other fans at the game?
 

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You skipped the blue and gold game for lacrosse!?!

Serious question... we're there any other fans at the game?

Well, couple of reasons. I hate spring games...they're boring as hell and there's no competitive aspect of it as a fan. And I was out til 2:30 at Brothers last night and it wasn't really fair to my pregnant-as-hell wife to be out all day today. Even though she was fine with it, when she dropped me off at ND this morning I decided I'd just come home early so I could take my daughter to the park later.

The crowd was actually pretty decent. I mean, it wasn't full but it wasn't empty either. I'd day a little over half full. Buccos and I headed over there when the ISD tailgate was over at 12:30 and it was EMPTY. But by game time it was a pretty good crowd. We only stayed for a quarter (he was my ride) but it was fun.
 

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I've heard a lot of talk about ND being on the bubble now. It's seems like they might have to beat Army and win one of their next 2 against Maryland and/or the first game in the ACC tournament.
I will say a lot of their opponents won yesterday so hopefully that boosts their RPI.
 

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So Notre Dame is locked into the ACC tournament now, UNC and Virginia are out.

Notre Dame will play #3 Maryland this weekend and then again in the first round of the ACC tournament (Maryland will be the #1 seed if they beat ND, and ND will be #4... or ND will be #2 with a win and Maryland will be #3).

Maryland is probably the worst matchup of any ACC team for ND due to their style (think of them like a super-charged Penn State that is light years better at every position but goalie). However, they looked absolutely dreadful against Hopkins this past weekend. They didn't score a single 6-on-6 goal until the 4th quarter on a "meh" Blue Jays defense.

Maryland likes to play very slow and is dominant on faceoffs. The key to beating them is to get an early lead, which isn't something ND usually does (typically its the 2nd and 4th quarters where ND makes runs). If you force them to play catchup, then their whole grinding offense falls apart.

Hopkins has shut them down two years in a row by basically playing no-slide defense. Maryland looks to draw & dump using ball movement to get the ball to an open scorer (and they have a lot of very proficient ones). Notre Dame has always been a quick slide team that doesn't really change scheme for anyone, but I have to think we're smart enough to watch the tape and make adjustments.

On defense, Maryland has a great goalie and is arguably the best defense in the country (statistically, only Army is better). If Notre Dame is going to score, it's going to have to come off accurate shooting and transition goals. Can't afford to leave any chances on the table. There really isn't anyone but Doyle and Kavanagh who will be good enough to consistently beat their man, and it's likely that Maryland will pack it in and let ND commit unforced turnovers.

Speaking of Army... they're quietly the most underrated team in the country. They have NEVER surrendered double digit goals this season. All of their losses are by 1 goal (#1 Loyola, #something UMASS, and Rutgers). That's going to be an incredibly tough game to close the year without a lot of bang for the buck. Wish we were playing some paper tiger like Cornell or Penn.

So the prognosis is a bit bleak... we have to win at least one game of the next three against Maryland(x2) and Army to get in the playoffs and keep our NCAA leading streak alive. In adjusted stats Maryland is the #1 team in the country with Army checking in at #8. Tough, tough gauntlet.
 

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Can't believe UNC and UVA are out,just shows you how wacky the ACC is now.
So,now we have to face Maryland twice? Oh man,I can't see two victories.
It'll be close but if it comes down to goaltending,we're screwed with Doss. LOL
 

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ND really got screwed this year by how archaic the RPI is. By the time the ACC gets done cannibalizing itself there probably won't be a single team in the RPI top 5.

Teams like Hofstra and all of the Ivies are LAUGHABLY overrated. They just aren't very good. Anyone who has seen them play knows this, but Cornell/Penn picked up some big early season victories. But right now, they're slated to get 4 teams in (Cornell, Yale, Penn, Harvard). Not one of those teams right now is as good as their RPI. All of them save Cornell would get blown out by any ACC team and Cornell would be a 3+ goal underdog to everyone but UVA. Penn is #25 in adjusted stats, #11 in the polls, and #3 in RPI... and RPI is the only thing that matters for tournament discussion. It'd be like if CFB used only the most simplistic and archaic computer model for BCS seeding.

The worst news is that Army is somehow all the way down at #32 in RPI and won't even really help us if we beat them. Hopefully next year we drop basically every OOC team except Ohio State and maybe Denver and supplement the schedule with more creampuffs. If we had scheduled 14-15 base games then this wouldn't be much of an issue.
 

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Thanks for the great run-down LAX. I guess the good thing here is ND will get to play Maryland two weeks in a row. It's hard to beat any team 2 weeks in a row so hopefully they pull one of them out. As I watched them play against Hopkins, they didn't impress me at all. Hopefully they have two off games in a row and ND sneaks by them on Saturday.
IF they beat Maryland at least on of the next two, they HAVE to be in the tournament!
Based on the way Duke is playing it might be best for them to beat Maryland on Saturday, lose to them in the first round of the tournament and then end the season with a W against Army.
Either way, HUGE game for them on Saturday. They've had a couple of pretty easy wins so hopefully they are ready and confident, and they make the proper adjustments to make a statement!
 

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Lax, could you clarify something the announcers said on the Cuse-UNC broadcast? Something about 5 ACC teams should make the tournament with someone playing an additional game against UVA. I assume it was the 5 seed that's left out of the tournament but I'm not sure.
I haven't followed as close this year but it's crazy how up and down these teams are. From week to week you can see completely different teams. Tillman plays slow but has amazing athletes that can run the field. Amato can play on his head too. I was shocked they played so poorly in a huge rivalry game.
As you said I'm unimpressed with the Ivies but will disagree with Hofstra. They've kind of been sneaky tough and hang tight, typical CAA fights. Then again, like I said, haven't paid as much attention and didn't realize they were even ranked high.
Going to be an interesting ride. ND is going to have to generate some offense these next couple of weeks outside of Kavanagh initiating.
 

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Lax, could you clarify something the announcers said on the Cuse-UNC broadcast? Something about 5 ACC teams should make the tournament with someone playing an additional game against UVA. I assume it was the 5 seed that's left out of the tournament but I'm not sure.

Yeah, the top 4 teams will play for the actual ACC crown and the AQ. The bottom two just play a "showcase" game on the day of the semifinals.

I haven't followed as close this year but it's crazy how up and down these teams are. From week to week you can see completely different teams. Tillman plays slow but has amazing athletes that can run the field. Amato can play on his head too. I was shocked they played so poorly in a huge rivalry game.
As you said I'm unimpressed with the Ivies but will disagree with Hofstra. They've kind of been sneaky tough and hang tight, typical CAA fights. Then again, like I said, haven't paid as much attention and didn't realize they were even ranked high.
Going to be an interesting ride. ND is going to have to generate some offense these next couple of weeks outside of Kavanagh initiating.

The way I look at it you have these teams as Tier 1 contenders based on what I've seen on the field (loosely in order of my perception of their talent): Duke, UNC, Maryland, Syracuse, Denver, Hopkins, Notre Dame, Loyola.

My Tier 2 teams that could legitimately make some noise but I think are a step below the above teams are: Virginia, Hofstra, Penn, Cornell.

Everyone else might win a game any given week against any of the above teams, but in general I think they're a big step below. Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Fairfield, Bryant... they're good teams, but they're also incredibly overrated in RPI.

The thing about Hostra is even though they are playing some great lacrosse right now against a solid CAA... I can't ignore losses to Marquette and St. John's... and 8 of their 9 wins are by 2 goals or less. The only team they've handled is Marist, and 1 goal wins over Siena and Georgetown don't exactly get my motor running. If they go out and beat UMASS/Penn state by 3+ goals it would change my perception of their team.
 

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A little late on this... playing Maryland today on ESPNU at noon. Big game. Will be wearing these uniforms: Notre Dame to Wear Shamrock Series Uniform This Weekend | Inside Lacrosse

Last time we wore this kit was in a fall ball scrimmage against Air Force. We got our asses kicked.

Maryland is a horrible matchup for a couple reasons:
-Most of their scoring comes out of their midfield, with Mike Chanenchuk being one of the best players in the country. Our midfield defense has been pretty weak this year, with Jack Near playing very solid lacrosse but the LSM/SSDMs outside of him playing questionable on ball and off ball defense.
-Maryland tends to play an assist heavy brand of lacrosse where they dodge-and-dump to a shooter who takes a shot from the wing or crease or backside. This means a great goalie who can eat up outside shots can neutralize them, and a bad goalie can be a death sentence. We don't have a good goalie.
-Maryland plays slow with very few unforced turnovers. This means against a defense like ours that doesn't play for takeaways that we might have insanely long droughts without really even touching the ball.
-Maryland is very good at faceoffs with exceptional wing play, which could neutralize our typical advantage with O'Connor.
-Maryland has one of the best goalies in the country, and we're getting most of our scoring recently off of outside shooters. Against him you really want interior finishers.

It's OK to be a bit optimistic because:
-Maryland, unlike Denver, is not very creative with their off-ball movement and offense. So while they play a problematic style for ND (slow pace, no unforced turnovers, dodge and dump), it's possible to play them straight up or no-slide and not give up a lot of great looks. Then it comes down to the goalie making saves.
-Maryland played AWFUL against Hopkins last week. And Hopkins barely escaped 4-8 Navy by a score of 6-5. So there's at least some indication that Maryland isn't playing the same brand of dominant lacrosse they were to start the year.
-Maryland has the best defense in the country and some incredible athletes. They're very hard to score on in settled 6-on-6. But Hopkins got a lot of unassisted goals in their win, plus 2 man-up goals, and showed that if you don't turn the ball over they can get attacked pretty effectively from behind the goal and the wings from the attack as they're slow to slide. Doyle/Kavanagh will have to have big games. The key is to not rush possessions or commit unforced turnovers on silly passes.
 

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Okay, LAX, you don't make this sound too good. I have a gut feeling that ND comes out very focused today and plays some good lacrosse. I think Kavanaugh continues to grow as a passer and ends up making a couple of smooth plays to score himself. Marlatt is getting some confidence and hits a couple outside too. I do think O'Connor will struggle a little with the faceoffs but the Irish will do just enough and I think they win 9-7.
On Friday, I think Maryland reverses the fortunes though and knocks ND out of the ACC tourney. But at this point hopefully a win today gets them a lock in the real tournament.
GO IRISH!!
 

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BTW, I love the look of the uniforms they will be wearing. Hopefully it will bring them some much needed luck!
 

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Conor Kelly in goal... just let in a super soft first goal. Fade away shot from 12 yards. Then gives up another soft high to high fade away shot. Pathetic. Needs to get pulled NOW. Defense playing great.
 

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Conor Kelly is just absolutely horrible. Letting in every single outside shot. I have no idea why he is playing. Cannot compete with this crappy goal keeping. 6-3 Terps at half.
 

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Chanenchuk is having a good game for the Twerps.
UM has a good defense. Our O is struggling. It's still
close if we can get something going quick.
 

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Conor Kelly is just absolutely horrible. Letting in every single outside shot. I have no idea why he is playing. Cannot compete with this crappy goal keeping. 6-3 Terps at half.

He is pretty terrible. Giving up every single high shot.
 

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Kelly played a very decent second half after he let in that slow bouncing pass. Lost the battle at the faceoff X 20-4 which is just impossibly bad.

Scratch out those garbage time goals and it's shocking that we battle to a tie game in the 4th. I don't know if we can actually play much worse than we did in the specialist categories for most of that game.
 

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I agree,special teams needs to vastly improve or they are sunk in
this next game against the Twerps. I haven't seen as many games as some of
you guys but what I have seen of the Irish it looks like generating offense
is hard to come by. They have defensive brain farts alot along with shoddy
goaltending. Is that about right? LOL
 

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ACC tournament on ESPNU right now. Great game between Duke/Syracuse on now. ND plays later tonight against Maryland.
 

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The tying goal with 14ish seconds left

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Wow. ND looks really bad right now. They can't clear at all. I know the weather sucks but give me a break.
 

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As bad as we're playing we could have 4 or 5 goals if anyone could shoot. Jeepers. I mean... rain really screws up your stick but some of these have been great scoring opportunities.
 

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Kavanagh has had one, Perkovic has had 3, and Marlatt has had 1 truly easy goals. And we missed them all. Got to be better.
 

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Ya, they have got to do better. I just don't see it. 3-0 now. It's definitely sinking in for me that this team just doesn't have the offense to really do anything this year.
 
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