2014 Depth Chart Predictions

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Count me in the group with Irish19, it's not that he had a couple missed tackles or failed reads.

Again, there's no argument that he was terrible in 2013. But what are your thoughts on his performance in 2012? And how do you account for the regression? That's what matters here.

I don't care if he had "more on his plate", that should be expected for every player, each year they grow in the program.

Do you think that Shumate should ride the pine as well? The guy came in as a high 4:s: recruit and reportedly hasn't locked down a starting role yet--even as a Junior--because he hasn't yet grasped the mental aspect of the game.

And, assuming you give Shumate a pass, to what standard should we be holding Farley, a 3:s: recruit who had only played two years of football before signing his NLOI?

If it was really just a matter of having too much in his mind, the coaches could've made it very simple and just asked him to go out and play...

I think that's exactly what they did in 2012.

...and they'd either: a. find someone else on the field or b. allow him to make any calls if he saw them but not stress him out to the point of no production and costing us games.

(a) Who else was capable of QBing the DBs after Collinsworth went down?
(b) That's apparently not an option, since Collinsworth will be starting in front of several much more athletic players.
 

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Again, there's no argument that he was terrible in 2013. But what are your thoughts on his performance in 2012? And how do you account for the regression? That's what matters here.

I thought he was good enough to not be noticed as a liability, meaning, the strength around him hid any deficiencies.


Do you think that Shumate should ride the pine as well? The guy came in as a high 4:s: recruit and reportedly hasn't locked down a starting role yet--even as a Junior--because he hasn't yet grasped the mental aspect of the game.

I think, like all things, every factor should be looked at. Shumate appears to have far more athleticism with a smaller grasp of the defensive game plan. He can equally be a liability so I hope the coaches put him in a position to make plays using his athleticism without thinking.

I don't think Farley possesses that type of athleticism so I don't know how the coaches can put him in a position to succeed if he can't handle the mental load. It slowed him down to the point of incapacitation last year

And, assuming you give Shumate a pass, to what standard should we be holding Farley, a 3:s: recruit who had only played two years of football before signing his NLOI?

I think there is but one standard for Notre Dame football: Those who can help us win at the highest level while maintaining the standards put forth by the University should be on the field. If a player has enough athleticism to do that despite being bereft of the PhD needed to direct traffic on the backend of the defense, then I believe they should play.


(a) Who else was capable of QBing the DBs after Collinsworth went down?
(b) That's apparently not an option, since Collinsworth will be starting in front of several much more athletic players.

This is for the coaches to figure out. If you can't put a player in position to succeed because either: they aren't athletic enough or they aren't capable of being in the right position, then they must find a way to make a call and let each defender be only responsible for their assignment and trust that everyone else is on the same page. The players can talk if they recognize something but that job shouldn't be put on a player's shoulders if it reduces them to the point of inept play.

I can recognize that there is a composite score on our safeties: Athleticism + Knowledge of play book = total talent

Some players, by virtue of athleticism could still be on the field despite not knowing what they are doing. Take Kelly's most recent presser where he mentions N. Morgan.

Others, by virtue of their knowledge, are able to bypass more athletic players because they are capable of being a "coach on the field". Collinsworth has done that.

I believe Farley falls somewhere behind Collinsworht in knowledge and somewhere near Collinsworth in athleticism so I'm guessing players like Shumate will still rank higher on pure athletic talent.

And I'll continue to pray that Shumate and Redfield make the jump in understanding to be a tandem this year (most likely not occurring until 15).
 

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Golson (it will really only be his 4th year in school)
Carlisle
Hegarty
Hanratty

N Martin (gets a fifth if he stays, but I think he will go to the NFL)

Didn't Daniels just get tossed for a semester because of bad grades? He won't get a fifth.

I have always heard that any player getting a fifth year at ND has to be in grad school. ND graduates their players in 4 years, unlike most schools, which assume it will take their players 5 years.
Please correct me if I have this wrong.
 

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This. He was awful during the whole 2013 season, but this was the worst. Anyone who thinks Farley is a leader after he sat on his a$$ to avoid having to tackle a Stanford running back is mistaken. Maybe a nice guy, but he's no leader of a football team. That is not Notre Dame football. I was embarrassed to watch that play and embarrassed to have him on the field. Injured or not, you can't do that.

Farley sucks and I will be disappointed if he is asked back.

Honestly, you dont deserve to call yourself a ND fan after this post. Absolute disgrace.

He's an definite leader, and I can speak from first hand experience. He is one of the best people I have met while on campus.

Can't wait for him to have a great year this year (he will be playing a lot), and shove it right in your face. But then you'll have to go find another student athlete and say they suck, a shitty leader.
 

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Honestly, you dont deserve to call yourself a ND fan after this post. Absolute disgrace.

He's an definite leader, and I can speak from first hand experience. He is one of the best people I have met while on campus.

Can't wait for him to have a great year this year (he will be playing a lot), and shove it right in your face. But then you'll have to go find another student athlete and say they suck, a shitty leader.

And to clarify- I said he is not the leader of a football team.
 

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At DE, does anyone think Trumbetti fills Ishaq's spot, giving Okwara back his #1, or does Rochell take over on that side. The young guys going to have to step up behind them. Rochell, Blankenship, Hayes, J. Williams.....

At CB, does Luke or Riggs move over, and both of them start, or does Devin step up to replace KVR and leave Riggs and Luke on the other side.

Not concerned about WR. CB leading anyway. Sucks not to have the depth and a balls out WR like DD, but we have plenty of talented folks.
 

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We're fucked at SDE

It would be a miracle if not only did Fitts transfer here but was also given a waiver to play this year, but I don't think that's expected.
 

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We're fucked at SDE

It would be a miracle if not only did Fitts transfer here but was also given a waiver to play this year, but I don't think that's expected.

yep, but I try to see the glass half full..... 2015 will bring experience.... also may open up a 5th year I think....
 

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At DE, does anyone think Trumbetti fills Ishaq's spot, giving Okwara back his #1, or does Rochell take over on that side. The young guys going to have to step up behind them. Rochell, Blankenship, Hayes, J. Williams.....

At CB, does Luke or Riggs move over, and both of them start, or does Devin step up to replace KVR and leave Riggs and Luke on the other side.

Not concerned about WR. CB leading anyway. Sucks not to have the depth and a balls out WR like DD, but we have plenty of talented folks.

I see Okwara and Trumbetti staring, as well as Luke and Riggs. I think Robinson will take over for Daniels.

BTW, does anyone know when Grace is returning? I hope he can return by Michigan.
 

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We're fucked at SDE

It would be a miracle if not only did Fitts transfer here but was also given a waiver to play this year, but I don't think that's expected.

Not really. The dudes ND has left have as much talent on paper as the starting combo of EJ and KLM in 2011. The D-line that year was really good when those two were healthy. So if ND stays healthy the d line should be good.
 

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I see Okwara and Trumbetti staring, as well as Luke and Riggs. I think Robinson will take over for Daniels.

BTW, does anyone know when Grace is returning? I hope he can return by Michigan.

Good question. Not looking like Rice. IMO, from what Kelly has said and the way he's talked about him and other LB's, I'm guessing mid season/mid-to-late before he returns and/or is healthy and/or has a solid grasp for the scheme. Kind of my thoughts on Councell too.
 

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I see Okwara and Trumbetti staring, as well as Luke and Riggs. I think Robinson will take over for Daniels.

BTW, does anyone know when Grace is returning? I hope he can return by Michigan.

I'm thinking it is going to be Trumbetii and Rochell.
 

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Not really. The dudes ND has left have as much talent on paper as the starting combo of EJ and KLM in 2011. The D-line that year was really good when those two were healthy. So if ND stays healthy the d line should be good.

Rochell, Hayes and Blankenship are the guys listed as SDEs at the moment. Haven't really heard anything about Hayes and Blankenship so that's pretty worrying depth IMO.
 

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I see Okwara and Trumbetti staring, as well as Luke and Riggs. I think Robinson will take over for Daniels.

BTW, does anyone know when Grace is returning? I hope he can return by Michigan.

Robinson is already a number 1.
CB has been a strong contender all 2014, so our starting 3 (in a 3 WR set) will be CB, CR, and Amir IMO. I could see Brent moving from the 3rd (behind DD, and Fuller) and get more PT behind CB.
 

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I have a feeling some or all may be back this year. Remember Fr. Jenkins said the lighter side of penalty could be an F on paper.
 

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In terms of importance to the season, he's only third out of the four.

You're dead on... . He's maybe the best player out of the 4, but the loss of IW is worst to me, followed by KVR in terms of impact to the team.
 

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I don't think DD was the most talented player lost. KR was and he is also the most painful. Ishaq was needed but he if he didn't dominate, he was likely displaced by the 3rd game of the season. Now it just means every one on our roster will get minutes. Hayes, Cage, Trumbetti, Day, Jones, Rochelle, Okwara

KR was irreplaceable, even if we have some depth behind him. He was our secondary eraser and that's gone. Now BVG will be forced to compensate or just allow his corners to get beat on occasion because none of the guys on the roster looked like they could touch KR.

Life goes on and I'll still root this team on and we do have Golson back, who will hopefully explode on the scene and score TDs by the dozens because we will be giving up points.
 

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I don't think DD was the most talented player lost. KR was and he is also the most painful. Ishaq was needed but he if he didn't dominate, he was likely displaced by the 3rd game of the season. Now it just means every one on our roster will get minutes. Hayes, Cage, Trumbetti, Day, Jones, Rochelle, Okwara

KR was irreplaceable, even if we have some depth behind him. He was our secondary eraser and that's gone. Now BVG will be forced to compensate or just allow his corners to get beat on occasion because none of the guys on the roster looked like they could touch KR.

Life goes on and I'll still root this team on and we do have Golson back, who will hopefully explode on the scene and score TDs by the dozens because we will be giving up points.

The mock drafts I've seen (can't recall the 2nd rate sites) had DD going mid to late 1st, KVR going after (later 1st, second). Not that I buy all that, and halfway agree with you. My point about Ishaq is that I fear his loss more than KVRs. We need at least a solid and experienced guy at DE. He was a question mark himself, but not nearly as big as the ones behind him. We know what we have with Luke and Riggs. Both more than very solid, with less question marks themselves, and behind them (Watkins/Butler). Losing him to me sucks big time, but I don't FEAR his loss more. Both losses really bite hard, so I can't argue much with either.
 

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I don't think DD was the most talented player lost. KR was and he is also the most painful. Ishaq was needed but he if he didn't dominate, he was likely displaced by the 3rd game of the season. Now it just means every one on our roster will get minutes. Hayes, Cage, Trumbetti, Day, Jones, Rochelle, Okwara

KR was irreplaceable, even if we have some depth behind him. He was our secondary eraser and that's gone. Now BVG will be forced to compensate or just allow his corners to get beat on occasion because none of the guys on the roster looked like they could touch KR.

Life goes on and I'll still root this team on and we do have Golson back, who will hopefully explode on the scene and score TDs by the dozens because we will be giving up points.

Kvr, while maybe our most NFL ready player, wasn't going to be the line factor in if this team gives up TD's or not. The way you make it seem is if we went from giving up 14 a game to 30. I don't think one player on the perimeter of a defense is going to have that level of impact. ND was going to have to show pts regardless.

The real pain is the combined level of departure on D. Daniels would have been nice but as I said before the staff would rather have consistency than his highs and lows.
 
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Even though they are both really good and will be in the NFL next year, I don't think either losses are huge because of the depth at the positions.
 

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The losses are bigger in name then they are in talent, aside from KVR.

Moore can't crack the lineup in his 4th-5th try.

Ishaq has been a bust and the reports out of practice this year didn't seem to change that much.

247 or ISD was saying DD has been battling a groin problem and hasn't cracked the starting lineup yet. WR is a position of strength.

KVR is a #1, top round talent, vocal leader, etc. If the reports didn't mention him, would it really be that bad of a loss? Having Cody Riggs is tremendous.

If Fitts does transfer AND is eligible to play right away (Don't know the precedence behind a religious move), when you boil it down, not ALL that bad, football wise.

And don't be trolled by ESPN and other big media names because it's all about the clicks. Reports by these same types had these kids dismissed from school when Fr. Jenkins vehemently denied that.

Notre Dame gets clicks. Clicks get money. Be smart.
 

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^^ I like this guy.


Although, I'll just say it one more time. We have no idea what kind of penalties are going to be handed down. Let's not write off Ishaq and DD as wasted talent just yet.

These kids may have made a mistake, cheating on a test is really bad, (my dumb ass was tempted, but never did it. ((AND I'M DUMB!!)) )

Maybe all the heres and theres make it a one off, 3 game suspension? Who knows?

I'm gonna root for all of those kids till the day they die... unless they do something heinous. Cheating on a test/paper is not heinous. However, I'm happy... Nay! Insistent, that ND is one of the only football powerhouses that carries expulsion as a penalty for academic dishonesty.

If it wasn't for that. What the hell are we rooting for?
 

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