2013 NFL DRAFT

[irishpat183]

Teams look at Combine to much IMO. Jordan yeah is a athletic freak but he really didnt do that much at Oregon.

True! Did you see the stats on his plays? He old played 40% of the time! LOL.

 

[greyhammer90]

Against Bama:

Jones- 6 tackles, 3 for loss, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble.

Teo- 10 tackles


Jones is a stud

He's also a pass rushing OLB that plays a completely different position from Te'o. A 4.9 (the original reason we brought him up remember) should be a much bigger indictment on him because he's going to have to cover. Can you imagine a guy with a 4.9 trying to cover Eifert? It would be f*cking comical, not to mention the fact that he's going to have to cover slot WR's who haven't run a 4.9 since the 3rd grade. The 40 time was not the reason Te'o dropped, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't that.

 

[KPENN]

Some of you guys are hilarious. I didn't say Manti wasn't a great player. LOL

And nobody said Jarvis wasn't good people are just saying why Manti should have gone ahead of Jones, nothing more than that.

 

[Pachuco]

Some of you guys are hilarious. I didn't say Manti wasn't a great player. LOL

Yeah, but you didn't say he was a stud, which he is. Who do you think picks him up?

 

[irishpat183]

Also, Manti and Jones play two different positions...There is a much bigger premium on guys that can get to the QB.

 

[KPENN]

Also, Manti and Jones play two different positions...There is a much bigger premium on guys that can get to the QB.

Which is why people brought up the 4.9 and that's when you went on your Jarvis defense...

 

[irishpat183]

He's also a pass rushing OLB that plays a completely different position from Te'o. A 4.9 (the original reason we brought him up remember) should be a much bigger indictment on him because he's going to have to cover. Can you imagine a guy with a 4.9 trying to cover Eifert? It would be f*cking comical, not to mention the fact that he's going to have to cover slot WR's who haven't run a 4.9 since the 3rd grade. The 40 time was not the reason Te'o dropped, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't that.

Jones will take over Harrison's role. LeBeau won't have him outta position. I doubt he's going to be out in space covering all that much

He will come in and rush the passer.

So if Teo didn't drop because of the 40...why? Like I said, there are guys that did worse than Te'o, IMO, in the character department.

 

[arrowryan]

My team to Jarvis Jones. I like that pick, we needed a pass rusher and he is exactly that.

 

[IrishLax]

The worst part of this is that Te'o probably ends up in a dumpster fire like Jacksonville now or somewhere where it will be hard to succeed. Hoping the Skins make a move to trade up for him.

 

[KPENN]

My team to Jarvis Jones. I like that pick, we needed a pass rusher and he is exactly that.

Technically, wouldn't it be Jarvis Jones to my team? Unless the Pittsburgh Steelers move to Jarvis Jones....

 

[irishpat183]

Which is why people brought up the 4.9 and that's when you went on your Jarvis defense...

But despite the 40...he had 14.5 sacks. He had 2 against that Bama Oline, remember.

Maybe they just put a bigger premium on SEC guys that have big production?

 

[ChicagoIrish37]

I don't think it was just his combine. I think he fell out of the first because of the pass happy nature the league is trending towards. Other positions just have more value than inside linebacker right now.

 

[greyhammer90]

Jones will take over Harrison's role. LeBeau won't have him outta position. I doubt he's going to be out in space covering all that much

He will come in and rush the passer.

So if Teo didn't drop because of the 40...why? Like I said, there are guys that did worse than Te'o, IMO, in the character department.

If you want my opinion it's on my original post. I think teams are starting to stay away from players with crazy amounts of media attention because of the Tebow effect. He was a cancer for the Jets. I think everyone agrees it wasn't Te'os fault, but they don't want to deal with the baggage and scrutiny that comes with picking him.

 

[BobD]

Heisman Trophy Runner-Up (2012)
Lott Trophy (2012)
Maxwell Award (2012)
Chuck Bednarik Award (2012)
Walter Camp Award (2012)
Bronko Nagurski Trophy (2012)
Butkus Award (2012)
Lombardi Award (2012)
Senior CLASS Award (2012)
ARA Sportsmanship Award (2012)[1]
Unanimous First Team All-American (2012)
Capital One First Team Academic All-American (2012)
2× FBS Independent Defensive Player of the Year (2011, 2012)

Just saying....

Don't go jumpin on me, but we need to be realistic. Manti is Irish so we root for him, but we can't wear shamrock glasses all the time...How many of those awards you think he gets if they knew about the scandal? He didn't just fall for one prank phone call. Honestly, knowing what we know now, who wouldn't question his judgement? Would you hire him to run your business with no reservations? Sorry, but just trying to keep it real.

 

[irishpat183]

The worst part of this is that Te'o probably ends up in a dumpster fire like Jacksonville now or somewhere where it will be hard to succeed. Hoping the Skins make a move to trade up for him.

That would be awesome...Great replacement for Fletcher

 

[arrowryan]

He's also a pass rushing OLB that plays a completely different position from Te'o. A 4.9 (the original reason we brought him up remember) should be a much bigger indictment on him because he's going to have to cover. Can you imagine a guy with a 4.9 trying to cover Eifert? It would be f*cking comical, not to mention the fact that he's going to have to cover slot WR's who haven't run a 4.9 since the 3rd grade. The 40 time was not the reason Te'o dropped, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't that.

Jarvis will be rushing 95% of the time, not covering. Polamalu and Lawrence Timmons will be locking Tyler down.

I really wish Tyler wouldn't have gone to a rival. I almost have to hate him now

 

[irishpat183]

Don't go jumpin on me, but we need to be realistic. Manti is Irish so we root for him, but we can't wear shamrock glasses all the time...How many of those awards you think he gets if they knew about the scandal? He didn't just fall for one prank phone call. Honestly, knowing what we know now, who wouldn't question his judgement? Would you hire him to run your business with no reservations? Sorry, but just trying to keep it real.

Exactly.

 

[irishpat183]

Jarvis will be rushing 95% of the time, not covering. Polamalu and Lawrence Timmons will be locking Tyler down.

I really wish Tyler wouldn't have gone to a rival. I almost have to hate him now

Troy is done, IMO...Another position they need to address

 

[greyhammer90]

Exactly.

I'm really confused about what you're arguing. Are you saying that it was Te'o's 40 time that dropped him out (what I'm talking about)? Are you arguing why Te'o shouldn't have been a 1st round pick? Are you arguing strictly why Jarvis deserved where he ended up? Or that he deserved to be ahead of Te'o?

I can't follow you at all brother.

 

[KPENN]

How many of those awards you think he gets if they knew about the scandal?

Nobody will ever know, but he also put together a really damn good season statistically and helped lead a defense that was the reason a team went 12-0. I'd say those awards were earned on the field too.

He didn't just fall for one prank phone call. Honestly, knowing what we know now, who wouldn't question his judgement?

He was a naive kid away at college. It's not like he was looking for a piece off a$$ he's mormon. He was looking for someone to connect with. I'm sure looking back now he knows he effed up and saw warning signs, but I didn't feel what he felt, so i can't judge.

Would you hire him to run your business with no reservations?

He's not running a business though, you are hiring to play football which he showed last year. This to me is a crazy example to use.

 

[arrowryan]

Troy is done, IMO...Another position they need to address

Probably in the 2nd or 3 round they will address it. But Timmons is by far our best cover linebacker, he could for sure cover Eifert

 

[greyhammer90]

Probably in the 2nd or 3 round they will address it. But Timmons is by far our best cover linebacker, he could for sure cover Eifert

No one can cover Eifert.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

2 reasons I believe Manti dropped out of the first round:

1. Teams question his ability to play man coverage and don't see him as a 3-4 ILB.

2. Teams don't put a premium on 4-3 ILBs. The ones that have gone in the first round recently are for the most part athletic freaks.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Jones is a great player but i just cant believe Te'o dropped out of the first round. The body of work hes put together should have gotten him drafted in the first round IMO. Oh well, let's just hope the Colts can address that horrible offensive line and maybe put together a decent defense.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's not like Te'o was passed by a bunch of ILBs either. Ogletree (who I think is overrated) went before him, but Te'o is probably going to be the 2nd ILB off the board. That means it's not just on him for the fall. The position was not valued as highly.

 

[Pachuco]

Nobody will ever know, but he also put together a really damn good season statistically and helped lead a defense that was the reason a team went 12-0. I'd say those awards were earned on the field too.

Co-sign 100%. The rest of it is gossip TMZ **** that (1) really isn't anyone's business, and (2) doesn't have to do with actual football. Manti's mistake was being human IN public. Keep your relationships out of the narrative. It's all business. And Manti has the goods to have a very successful NFL career. That's not Irish beer goggles. That's 12-0, leadership in the trenches, nose to the grind stone, hard hitting, goal-line smashing, pass-interception ball destruction.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

It's not like Te'o was passed by a bunch of ILBs either. Ogletree (who I think is overrated) went before him, but Te'o is probably going to be the 2nd ILB off the board. That means it's not just on him for the fall. The position was not valued as highly.

He's not even going to play middle linebacker for the rams though so you can't really count him.

I just hope he doesn't fall to the raiders because it would really suck to be there now.

 

[Irishnuke]

College football awards don't mean **** to NFL teams. Manti was a great player for ND and beloved by all of us, but that doesn't mean he's going to be good in the NFL. I'll be rooting for him regardless. Hope he doesn't end up in some shithole like Jacksonville.

 

[irishfan]

Two MLBs drafted in the 1st round in the last 5 years. Just sayin.

 

[D-BOE34]

It's not like Te'o was passed by a bunch of ILBs either. Ogletree (who I think is overrated) went before him, but Te'o is probably going to be the 2nd ILB off the board. That means it's not just on him for the fall. The position was not valued as highly.

Who the eff am I? I quit reading after this post because it made the most sense. Manti had a great season and if he had not had the off season issues, maybe was chosen early. Regardless, dude will be taken in 2nd (most likely). Once they are drafted, do you really follow? Unless it is your team? If he had went to Minn I would take notice because of all the players ND would have but nothing emotionally like I do ND during season.

He will be just fine. You can take this as a fact.... He is going to be OK with 2nd or 3rd round pick. As they say, "You haven't made it just by getting drafted. You make it by solidifying your name as a pro."