2012 Starting QB Poll

[nlroma1o]

Give me Golson. Let the kid loose and lets see this spread offense ran the way it is supposed to. I want to see him break some ankles. I want to see him pass the ball deep. I don't understand why everyone doesnt want to see this kid play ball.

 

[Chamellion]

I'm not too sure Golson is ready mentally, heard from a couple players that he has all the talent in the world, but doesn't exactly know the playbook fully yet.

Hendrix should start, but again I'm not sure if Kelly trusts him at game speed for an entire game.

I feel a platoon coming.

All opinion, except for what I've heard about Golson.

 

[tko]

probably going to be Tommy due to the pictures.

 

[Black Irish]

1.) I want to see Hendrix start, not only because he has more natural ability than Rees, but also to put this guessing game to rest. Give the kid 1 full game and see how he does. If he chokes bad, send in Golson or Rees
2.) Who should start? Hendrix, see above plus he has game experience over Golson.
3.) Who will start? If Kelly wants to play it safe, then it's Tommy because of experience. If Kelly wants to go for broke and come out swinging, then he puts in Hendrix with Golson getting significant time. I see Kelly starting Rees but giving him the hook at the slightest hint of trouble.

 

[ohara831]

Give Golson his shot.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not too sure Golson is ready mentally, heard from a couple players that he has all the talent in the world, but doesn't exactly know the playbook fully yet.

Hendrix should start, but again I'm not sure if Kelly trusts him at game speed for an entire game.

I feel a platoon coming.

All opinion, except for what I've heard about Golson.

Surprised that you hear this considering Kelly cut the playbook down significantly and Golson has a year in the system.

This isn't another one of your, "field turf is getting installed in the stadium" type of rumors is it? jk

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Hendrix or Golson should start, and likely will start. Kelly has been very clear that turnovers hurt the team dearly last year and he does not want a repeat performance. I think he understands Tommys limits and will sink or swim with Everett or Andrew this year. I hope this is the case anyway.
For the record, I don't think any of these guys will transfer regardless of who is named as starter. I believe they all value the education they are getting more than they value an opportunity to play, and all still have that opportunity to play.

 

[Redbar]

I think what we need here are three different polls, because I think people get confused alot about this topic.

1) Who do you WANT to start

2) Who do you think SHOULD start

3) and finally who do you think BK will actually have start?

Three different questions, with three potentially different answers. I'm guessing some answers to this poll are already contain answers from each group.

1.) I want the best one to start

2.)I think the best one should start

3.) i think Kelly will start...drumroll please...the best one.

 

[greyhammer90]

1.) I want the best one to start

2.)I think the best one should start

3.) i think Kelly will start...drumroll please...the best one.

 

[IrishandColts]

Hendrix clearly

 

[TDHeysus]

I hope Golson can beat out the other guys...I dont think Kiel will see the field this year. If no QB emerges as the outright starter, then it really makes things a mess because Gunner is looking to start his soph, or junior year. Now is the time to get your foot in the door if your name isnt Gunner.

my gut feeling is that more than 1 QB is going to see playing time...

 

[Chamellion]

Surprised that you hear this considering Kelly cut the playbook down significantly and Golson has a year in the system.

This isn't another one of your, "field turf is getting installed in the stadium" type of rumors is it? jk

It is getting installed, it was just a bit premature to make that announcement, before it had happened.

And we'll see about how he handles the new playbook. I just want him on the field without all the mental mistakes.

 

[woolybug25]

It is getting installed, it was just a bit premature to make that announcement, before it had happened.

And we'll see about how he handles the new playbook. I just want him on the field without all the mental mistakes.

You betcha... not really. Maybe one day, but I really don't think that it's in the works and you certainly didn't see them doing it like you said. But no worries, I ain't mad atcha.



Question for those of you that feel Kiel has zero chance in this competition. Do you think Kelly is:

1) Lying that he will play the best player, even if Kiel is that guy, he will preserve his redshirt.
2) Choosing someone else because Kiel wont be more talented than any of the other three.
3) You are that confident that the guy you chose will be the most talented.

The reason I ask, is because when I read all of the responses it seems like everyone is settling on their pick rather than being confident in it. It seems that almost everyone thinks that Kelly will choose the most talented player who protects the ball, but then in the same breath keep Kiel out of the conversation. Do you really think that Kiel isn't capable of being more talented and protect the ball better than Rees? Kelly has stated in no uncertain terms that he will play the best guy that protects the football. He even went as far as changing the responsibilities in order to put them on the same playing field. That being said, why can't that guy be Kiel? What has any QB on our roster done to make anyone believe that a 5-star stud QB can't play better? I really don't think that the coach of Notre Dame can ever worry about eligibility with his star players. The job is a "win now" type situation, and if you hold back a better player for the future, you might just be preserving him for the next coach.

 

[Grahambo]

Ron Powlus

 

[Irishman77]

i agree with you wooly. To me it is either Golson or Kiel.

 

[Black Irish]

Sure, Kelly has to "win now" but he also has to win later. Unless he is in full panic mode, Kelly still has to plan for the medium term. I can't see him blowing his wad on Kiel when he's got Hendrix and Golson. Even if those 2 crap out, I see Kelly using Rees to keep an even keel (no pun intended) rather than burn a year of Gunnar's eligibility. He would want the best 4 years he can get out of Kiel, rather than using him out of panic.

 

[GBdomer]

Hendrix.

 

[woolybug25]

Sure, Kelly has to "win now" but he also has to win later. Unless he is in full panic mode, Kelly still has to plan for the medium term. I can't see him blowing his wad on Kiel when he's got Hendrix and Golson. Even if those 2 crap out, I see Kelly using Rees to keep an even keel (no pun intended) rather than burn a year of Gunnar's eligibility. He would want the best 4 years he can get out of Kiel, rather than using him out of panic.

I understand what you are saying, and if Kelly had Kiel at Cinci, I would agree. But if Kelly goes 8-5 this season, NDnation's call for his head is only going to get louder. He will be on the hot seat and I think he understands that. So unless he believes there is a QB on this roster that will produce a better record than 8-5, or he thinks Kiel isn't capable of 8-5, then I really don't see the logic of denying Kiel the experience. If we go 8-5 next year with any of the QB's, then I don't see Kelly playing anyone other than Kiel when it comes down to keeping his job in 2013.

I truly believe that Kelly's future at Notre Dame will be decided by this QB battle. Either Kiel gets beat out, and Kelly shows that he truly is a QB guru by turning Golson or Hendrix into a BCS caliber QB. Or Kelly shows that he can mold a blue chip recruit into a Notre Dame great. If neither of these things happen, we will be looking for another coach in a couple years whether any of us like it or not.

 

[BeauBenken]

Golson. The kid threw for the 4th most yards in highschool football history and he ran the scout team so he got plenty of reps. I think it was BK's plan to redshirt him, teach him the real BK offense, and then unleash him.

Hendrix will see a package. I just hope it's not as obvious that he is going to run every play he's in there. He needs to throw it more from his package.

Admittedly, Kiel is my darkhorse. I'm not sure having him here was planned. He's got the tools to be great. It depends on how well he picks up the playbook.

 

[koonja]

I can't pick one, so I'll say it's either Golson or Keil rather than Hendrix/Rees. As I type this I feel like a big underdog, but that's where my money is.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Golson. The kid threw for the 4th most yards in highschool football history and he ran the scout team so he got plenty of reps. I think it was BK's plan to redshirt him, teach him the real BK offense, and then unleash him.

Hendrix will see a package. I just hope it's not as obvious that he is going to run every play he's in there. He needs to throw it more from his package.

I hope not.. I don't like the two QB things.. it's my opinion that if you have 2+ QBs, you have 0 QBs.. give someone the reigns (other than Rees) and let him sink or swim, but don't play 2 QBs during the same game

 

[Irish Fam]

I understand what you are saying, and if Kelly had Kiel at Cinci, I would agree. But if Kelly goes 8-5 this season, NDnation's call for his head is only going to get louder. He will be on the hot seat and I think he understands that. So unless he believes there is a QB on this roster that will produce a better record than 8-5, or he thinks Kiel isn't capable of 8-5, then I really don't see the logic of denying Kiel the experience. If we go 8-5 next year with any of the QB's, then I don't see Kelly playing anyone other than Kiel when it comes down to keeping his job in 2013.

I truly believe that Kelly's future at Notre Dame will be decided by this QB battle. Either Kiel gets beat out, and Kelly shows that he truly is a QB guru by turning Golson or Hendrix into a BCS caliber QB. Or Kelly shows that he can mold a blue chip recruit into a Notre Dame great. If neither of these things happen, we will be looking for another coach in a couple years whether any of us like it or not.

Man I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but I really hope that an 8-5 season doesn't cause next year to be a make or break year. I am just so damn sick of hiring a new coach every 5 years and constantly being in a rebuilding process where juniors and seniors are forced to learn a new system.

 

[BeauBenken]

I hope not.. I don't like the two QB things.. it's my opinion that if you have 2+ QBs, you have 0 QBs.. give someone the reigns (other than Rees) and let him sink or swim, but don't play 2 QBs during the same game

Well tough ****. lol Florida was able to win a NC doing it.

 

[koonja]

I get the feeling that Hendrix will be a career change-of-pace QB at ND. Come in to power run and/or surprise pass. If I had to bet my modest bank account on it, I'd bet he's never the starting QB at ND (unless it's due to injury).

 

[woolybug25]

Golson. The kid threw for the 4th most yards in highschool football history and he ran the scout team so he got plenty of reps. I think it was BK's plan to redshirt him, teach him the real BK offense, and then unleash him.

Hendrix will see a package. I just hope it's not as obvious that he is going to run every play he's in there. He needs to throw it more from his package.

Admittedly, Kiel is my darkhorse. I'm not sure having him here was planned. He's got the tools to be great. It depends on how well he picks up the playbook.

I used to think this mattered... then I look at the list of the top 10 passers in high school history. Sans Leak, that list doesn't exactly scream big time QB in college. It also doesn't include Golson who threw for 11364 yards in his career. Which is great, but not top ten according to the NFHS. Maybe fourth all time in SC, but according to this, not overall.

18932 Maty Mauk OH (Kenton), 2008-11
17364 Ben Mauk OH (Kenton), 1999-2002
15593 Chris Leak NC (Charlotte Independence), 1999-2002
14457 J.R. House WV (Nitro), 1995-98
13902 Brock Berlin LA (Shreveport Evangel Christian), 1997-99
13711 Stefan Loucks AR (Little Rock Pulaski Academy), 2003-06
13201 Rhett Lashlee AR (Springdale Shiloh Christian), 1998-2001
12575 Brian Lindgren WA (Walla Walla DeSales), 1995-98
12537 Garrett Gilbert TX (Austin Lake Travis), 2006-08
12195 Jake Schiff IN (Evansville Mater Dei), 1998-2001

He did throw 151 touchdown passes during his High School career though, good for sixth all-time in national high school history.

 

[woolybug25]

Man I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but I really hope that an 8-5 season doesn't cause next year to be a make or break year. I am just so damn sick of hiring a new coach every 5 years and constantly being in a rebuilding process where juniors and seniors are forced to learn a new system.

I hear ya, but this is Notre Dame and our fanbase is not a patient one. If we don't go to a BCS game in the next two seasons, then we will be looking for another coach in my opinion. I would love to see them be patient with what Kelly is building, but we all know that they wont.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Well tough ****. lol Florida was able to win a NC doing it.

yeah true.. that's about the only one I can think of though.. I think it completely ruins rhythm and doesn't allow the primary guy to fully integrate himself into the game.. I really hope we don't do that, but if we do and it works, well then I guess my opinion will be swayed, but it just doesn't seem like a great idea

 

[BeauBenken]

yeah true.. that's about the only one I can think of though.. I think it completely ruins rhythm and doesn't allow the primary guy to fully integrate himself into the game.. I really hope we don't do that, but if we do and it works, well then I guess my opinion will be swayed, but it just doesn't seem like a great idea

That's why you have to do it within the rhythm of the game. When one guy starts to look off the other goes in. Of course you don't take out a guy who is on fire.

I'd look for Andrew to be used as more of a goal line guy though and honestly, playing inside the 5 or 10 even is a completely different game.

 

[BobD]

Man I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but I really hope that an 8-5 season doesn't cause next year to be a make or break year. I am just so damn sick of hiring a new coach every 5 years and constantly being in a rebuilding process where juniors and seniors are forced to learn a new system.

So Mr. Swarbrick do you wear that costume on your avatar when you interview the coaches?

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

That's why you have to do it within the rhythm of the game. When one guy starts to look off the other goes in. Of course you don't take out a guy who is on fire.

I'd look for Andrew to be used as more of a goal line guy though and honestly, playing inside the 5 or 10 even is a completely different game.

I see where you're coming from, but then there's always the "looking over your shoulder" thing.. it doesn't exactly give the primary guy much confidence if he gets yanked and it doesn't allow him to redeem himself for a mistake.. I can see someone who throws like 3 INTs in the first half getting yanked and the 2nd guy going in, but IMO if you do that, stick with that 2nd guy

lol, I really do understand the philosophy behind it and where you're coming from, I just don't really believe in it.. maybe this year will make me a believer if we do in fact do that