The 11 National Championships ND claims do have some similarity with the paucity of away games. They also had something to do with a preponderance of talent, execution, and coaching.
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The 11 National Championships ND claims do have some similarity with the paucity of away games. They also had something to do with a preponderance of talent, execution, and coaching.
BGIF -I will still say you are full of a "little" crap - We Played 6 games at Notre Dame stadium in '95 same in '96.... away games for Navy are not nuetrals. Anyway, that makes your numbers a little suspect... who is felating who? Care to qualify? '88 had 6 home stands. Away - Spartan, Pitt, Memorial, Beaver, Coliseum.... No way you come up with 4 aways!
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Navy games are neutrals. I've been to a few of the "away" games with Navy and we have 2/3 or more of the fans. Just because we're wearing white doesnt really mean it is an "away" game. And in 88, the PSU game was at home. It was the home finale I think.
Is somebody else posting under your account today?
"Crap" ??? I document while you acknowledge your too lazy to look. Instead you resort to crude references.
This red herring is related to what? I was posted about "away" games. You made a baseless statements and you were wrong. On home games, away games, and neutral games.
As for '95 ND played at Purdue, OSU, Washington, and Air Force. Four away games like I previously posted in an 11 game season. With one Neutral Game, ARMY, at Giants Stadium ND has 6 home games. That still makes 4 "real" away games (The "real" away was another poster's term I followed for continuity)
In '96 ND played at Vanderbilt (Davie's first "on field head coaching" gig), Texas, BC, and USC, once again only 4 "real" away games, there was a NEUTRAL field game against Navy in Croke Park, ND had 6 home games in an 11 game season.
Hey who are you posting under Jef's account? You can't be the real Jef.
Any ND fan worth his salt knows ALL Navy home games against Notre Dame are played at a Neutral site. It's been that way since the first game in the series back in 1927. It was played in Baltimore which isn't on the Annapolis campus. Neither is San Francisco, Cleveland, Municipal Stadium/JFK and Veterans Stadium in Phillly, Giants Stadium in MJ, Croke Park, Doublin, Ireland, Jack Kent Cooke Stadium in Raljon, MD, nor the Citrus Bowl (regular season game) in Orlando, FL.
Most ND fans don't know that Navy's Home Field since 1959 is Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium on campus in Annapolis with a capacity of 34,000 and before that since 1912 Navy's Home Field was Thompson Stadium in Annapolis that had a capacity of 12,000.
They weren't "my numbers". There from the Notre Dame Media Guide. Same folks who list all those Navy games as NEUTRAL. Their designation, not mine. Take up your urinating contest with the ND Athletic Department.
The guy with the hazy memory, admittedly too lazy to look for himself, and thus short on fact resulted to crude language in the absence of any substance. Dug himself a hole and has managed to make it deeper with each follow up.
Today you've accomplished a feat believed anatomically impossible. And you've done it more than once.
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nice schedule
nice schedule
I cant believe people would say this schedule is not strong, there are bowl game type contests with 4 of these guys and once again make season encounters for teams playing Notre Dame. Honestly I just dont get anyone saying this is not a strong schedule. Now to my second point--drop mich/msu/purdue and put in va tech/tcu/sec team/big 12 team ( or any of the other options talked about ) and you got a blaster schedule. I want away from the 'little 11' ( not happening ). My main concern is being sucked in to joining the 'little 11' and I do not want that to ever happen. Can you imagine the distain and brutal officiating that would come from that move. I know there are people who disagree with my feelings but after this year the 'little 11' can pound salt as far as I'm concerned. You get sucked up by those 'nitwits' and you lose you national independence.
nice schedule
I cant believe people would say this schedule is not strong, there are bowl game type contests with 4 of these guys and once again make season encounters for teams playing Notre Dame. Honestly I just dont get anyone saying this is not a strong schedule. Now to my second point--drop mich/msu/purdue and put in va tech/tcu/sec team/big 12 team ( or any of the other options talked about ) and you got a blaster schedule. I want away from the 'little 11' ( not happening ). My main concern is being sucked in to joining the 'little 11' and I do not want that to ever happen. Can you imagine the distain and brutal officiating that would come from that move. I know there are people who disagree with my feelings but after this year the 'little 11' can pound salt as far as I'm concerned. You get sucked up by those 'nitwits' and you lose you national independence.
Somewhere along the line some ND fans have adopted the notion that ND has always played the toughest schedule in the nation. Simply not so. There are some truly impressive years with the #1 toughest schedule or close to it. There are a lot of years including Championship seasons were that wasn't the case. More times than not ND plays a tough schedule. And yes being ranked by Steele preseason at #32 Toughest Schedule is still tough.
The AD of Purdue commented this week about how tough it is for ND as an independent to put together a schedule with all the restrictions. Let's start with ND hasn't played a Division AA caliber team since the 30's. It reduces available choices and a guaranteed win (unless you're Michigan). We shudder that ND played SDS but that came out of rescheduling a BYU game as did Nevada if I recall correctly.
Now ND's scheduled, oh my, a MAC team. First time in what another 70 years or so. We fans groan at the same time in other thread people boast about the Toledo's and Central Michigan's dumping the Big Ten teams. Just which is it, are they fodder or has the 85 scholarship rule even the playing field considerably?
Even with the WMU scheduling note in the article that the Conference Offiicals waived the restriction about playing out of conference games late in the season. Kudios to Swarbrick and the others who made it possible.
With TV/Conference contracts and Bowl tie-in/revenue sharing the SEC/Big 12, etc, aren't keen about adding Notre Dame on a regular basis. ND had a home and home with Alabama scheduled for the mid's '00's, around '06 and '07. After Bama got hit with their last NCAA scholarship reductions Bama AD, Mal Moore, a former Holtz assistant at ND, approached ND about dropping the series as Bama was concerned that they couldn't compete and they had to get ND off their schedule. ND let them back out of the contract. I know exactly 2 Bama fans that remember that now. And they both are kicking themselves that Moore went hat in hand and begged for a reprieve from mighty ND. Who knew ND would be 3-9 then?
Which bolsters the point that programs rise and fall. Scheduling years in advance has no promies today's power would be mediocre or vice versa.
As for ND haters. It doesn't matter who we play. They will still whine. Same with ND fans that don't like the current coach whoever that is.
BGIF - I said I was too lazy to look it up so you made up some shit - where is Navy's home field? Annapolis - seats what? - And why are we listed with 7 homes, 4 aways, and 1 nuetral next year? - Because Navy is AWAY. You changed Swarbricks policy to 7-3-2 - - I remember reading where he would not abandon 7-4-1 next year and added WMU and Tulsa - missed him dropping Army or Navy. Now, you didn't document anything - show me the 1988 schedule, the '66 schedule, '68, '96..... print them here big-shot. You got schooled accept it. Are you sure we didn't play Navy in Annapolis in '66? Okay we played at Franklin (Penn) - Navy's stadium only holds 34,000. It's $$$$$$... Now, where is Annapolis? Maryland? Where's Baltimore? Where's the largest contingency of naval? Look at the schedule below - count the "ats" ... look at your "documented" post. Now count... start at 1, then say 2, 3, 4, 5... you can move your lips if you need to. Count them on one hand - use your other for whatever. Look in the mirror - - where's your cred... Are you a statastician? Must be the only way you bended the numbers.
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We pick up Oklahoma in '12...so schedule bitching is a fad. I'm very happy I don't tailgate to see Chaz Southern, Troy, Western Carolina,Fla. Int., or Tennessee Tech, Luisiana Monroe/Tech/Laf., North Texas, or Tenn. Chattanooga. No one bitches about those schedules. We are ND.. and more highly criticized.
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BGIF-good post and I know you know where I'm coming from. How do you know Purdue or msu are up or down in 6/8 years? How do you not see that Utah and Tulsa are playing 'BOWL' games against us?. Trust me those dates are circled on the calander. This year the much maligned schedule will show better than the 'Heads' thought and you are on the $$$ Swarbrick has done OK. Media has all the leverage here with their opinion and how many of the so called power conference teams really play a schedule this tough--not as many as people think. Some of the games those teams play are not even worthy of comment.
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Are you really trying to argue that the game in Dublin was a "home" game for Navy? That's the definition of a neutral site game.
Not necessarily - '96 - it was an easy copy and paste. Point is it is listed as an "at".
Are you going to start counting BC home games as "homes" for us. As BC admits that they use the ND game to sell out their season ticket package. They admit that the only reason Northeastern tickets sell and 1/3 the stadium sits empty is so people can get their package with ND included. Probably 1/2 of the stadium is ND Subways when we play there. Boston IS Irish. See many shamrocks around that town? Now - why is it tough for us to play there. Shit, it's tough for us to play them here.
Are you going to start counting BC home games as "homes" for us. As BC admits that they use the ND game to sell out their season ticket package. They admit that the only reason Northeastern tickets sell and 1/3 the stadium sits empty is so people can get their package with ND included. Probably 1/2 of the stadium is ND Subways when we play there. Boston IS Irish. See many shamrocks around that town? Now - why is it tough for us to play there. Shit, it's tough for us to play them here.
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Jef & BG:
Scheduling is a bitch. Crystal balls ain't cheap and they're unreliable. Home games generate a lot of revenue for both ND and SB. Away games bring Irish football within reach of many Domer and Subway alums. Neutral site games do the same and open the door for additional recruiting opportunities. Most are broadcast nationally, regardless, and provide a tidy little revenue stream.
A little "dance with the one that brung you" is a good thing. So is a bit of variety to add a little spice. ND has done both in the past, the present and (I hope) in the future.
Enough from me on this. I'm not a statistics wonk or a skilled student of the game. I go with emotion, an appreciation for the approach Notre Dame takes to collegiate football and their student athletes, and healthy doses of whimsey and occasional ennui.
Then there's the Guinness and Jameson ...
STOP!
I don't want to send you to your rooms without supper and internet access.
But I will.
But I will.
Scheduling is a bitch. Crystal balls ain't cheap and they're unreliable. Home games generate a lot of revenue for both ND and SB. Away games bring Irish football within reach of many Domer and Subway alums. Neutral site games do the same and open the door for additional recruiting opportunities. Most are broadcast nationally, regardless, and provide a tidy little revenue stream.
A little "dance with the one that brung you" is a good thing. So is a bit of variety to add a little spice. ND has done both in the past, the present and (I hope) in the future.
Enough from me on this. I'm not a statistics wonk or a skilled student of the game. I go with emotion, an appreciation for the approach Notre Dame takes to collegiate football and their student athletes, and healthy doses of whimsey and occasional ennui.
Then there's the Guinness and Jameson ...
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Most people consider SOS how many top 25 teams you play. Florida plays a tough schedule because they face LSU, Georgia and FSU. We only play USC. Some would argue it is harder to play good teams every week as opposed to 3 big games a year.
Don't forget Pittsburgh - in the top 20. I can see MSU climbing in to top 25 with a win this weekend and a win over Penn St. or OSU. I could see Florida losing to Mississippi St. Nnaaaaahhhh - - but it will just be close. I want to say I can see Tennessee beating 'Bama but then I think people would question my 23 years of sobriety. I hate UM and would like to see Penn. St. romps. Washington upsets Oregan, BYU over TCU, AFA over Utah.
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Our schedule isnot the strongest but it is downplayed quite a bit. The only cure is tobeat USC
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Who comes up with these weak schedules? No wonder we get no respect in the media or in the polls. When are the Irish going to play SEC teams (jeez at least play Kentucky). Army and Navy, WTF???
They forgot to add a local high school to round it out. Weak, very weak.
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How can you play SEC when THEY DON'T PLAY ANYONE DECENT OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONFERENCE. Especially considering they won't travel out of their own state to play anyone unless it's an SEC team. Look at the last time FL has played an OOC game outside of the state of FL. You'll be looking for a long time...
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It was a bad idea to only have 2 road games before USC. We won't be prepared to come into the Coliseum, but hopefully it won't show. 3 road games is embarrassing.
We need to drop out of FBS to get a game with the SEC. I will say - Oklahoma ('12 - '13) plays comers, as does USC & OSU... Can't imagine Florida, Texas, UM, Penn. St., dropping a Lousiana Monroe/Laf/Tech, Tenn. Tech / Chattanooga, Florida Int., Temple, Citedel... et al.. for true style points.
I picked up pepperoni bread for the tail-gate and a guy head to toe in USC gave me shit about WMU.... I explained how San Jose State, Fernando, or Frezno was busy at USC that weekend...
I picked up pepperoni bread for the tail-gate and a guy head to toe in USC gave me shit about WMU.... I explained how San Jose State, Fernando, or Frezno was busy at USC that weekend...
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Are you upset about 2010 schedule
Are you upset about 2010 schedule
I see a lot of people that are not happy with next years schedule. Basically because of the western michigan and tulsa games.
I have no problem with it, at least we are still playing division 1 schools.
now if we had an eastern illinois or charleston southern, that would be a different story.
I know that Notre Dame is supposed to hold itself to a higher standard than other schools and not follow what seems to be the trend of scheduling weaker opponents in an attempt to coast to the bcs. But with the way the pollsters vote i think we need all the help we can get.
Swarbrick has said these were basically just games that were scheduled out of necessity to fill a spot, and that there were other teams that wanted to play us but had schedule issues.
He also said he has wanted to schedule some more games with other powerhouse schools such as alabama and texas.
So i am wondering is this really just a one year scheduling issue or are we going down the path of the others and scheduling our way into the BCS.
Part of me likes the weaker opponents and and easier road to the BCS but part of me is saying "is this what it has come to?"
what are your'e thoughts on this.
Are you upset about 2010 schedule
I see a lot of people that are not happy with next years schedule. Basically because of the western michigan and tulsa games.
I have no problem with it, at least we are still playing division 1 schools.
now if we had an eastern illinois or charleston southern, that would be a different story.
I know that Notre Dame is supposed to hold itself to a higher standard than other schools and not follow what seems to be the trend of scheduling weaker opponents in an attempt to coast to the bcs. But with the way the pollsters vote i think we need all the help we can get.
Swarbrick has said these were basically just games that were scheduled out of necessity to fill a spot, and that there were other teams that wanted to play us but had schedule issues.
He also said he has wanted to schedule some more games with other powerhouse schools such as alabama and texas.
So i am wondering is this really just a one year scheduling issue or are we going down the path of the others and scheduling our way into the BCS.
Part of me likes the weaker opponents and and easier road to the BCS but part of me is saying "is this what it has come to?"
what are your'e thoughts on this.
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I'd like to play at least one team from the SEC, Big Televen, Big East, Big 12 and PAC 10 every year. I don't think it has to be a top team from each conference, but when we overload on Big 10 every year, our schedule is perceived as weak (even though it insn't in relation to many "top tier" teams).
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yea, I get what your saying. i remember those games against tennessee a couple years back.
Here's my thought though, i think we could schedule any combination of teams whether it be western michigan, tulsa and utah or florida, bama and texas and people would still find a way to say our schedule is weak.
So if theyre gonna accuse us of a soft schedule, might as well make it a soft schedule.
I think we play 3 big 10's, a few Big Easts, an ACC, a few Pac 10's - that leaves 4. Oklahoma plays Tulsa (with a winning record) - what? No problem for them because local? We play WMU - most local MAC - who also plays many other FBS teams - UM this year, MSU next (they were going to play Virginia Tech next year and we replaced VT on Western's schedule) - we play a ranked Utah and a bowl bound Navy?????? Our SOS is top 15 this year and most likeley similar next. Give me a break. Where is the Citedel?? Charlseston Southern, Florida Int., Louisiana Laf/Mon/Tech, Tenn Tech, Furman, or Chattanooga??????? We drop BC and pick up Oklahoma in 2012!!!!
Our schedule - take 2 out and say those were easy stats. Take the Troy & Charleston Southern game out of Teablow's stats and he has 3 Passing TDs - 4 Ints (2 for pick 6) and 4 running TDs - - - in 5 games. Give me a f'n break.
Our schedule - take 2 out and say those were easy stats. Take the Troy & Charleston Southern game out of Teablow's stats and he has 3 Passing TDs - 4 Ints (2 for pick 6) and 4 running TDs - - - in 5 games. Give me a f'n break.
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really looking forward to this series
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While the 'dumbing down' of our schedule may not sit well with those that want to play a perennial top-20 schedule, here are some valid (and perhaps some overused) points:
>We expect USC and Michigan to be good every year. Most championship caliber teams have 3 games on their schedule each year that prove their worth in the eyes of the pollsters. That means we need for one other team on the schedule to be a top 15-20 program (historically)- the LSU's, FSU's Nebraska's, Texas', Tennessee's and Washington's of the last 15 years have created that.
>The rest of our schedule is filled with middle of the road BCS-conference programs, as is the case with every other top school. We have always had those 'cupcake' games on our schedule, they were teams such as Navy, Kansas, N'Western, etc. As those programs have gotten better, there is an inherent need for any traditional powerhouse to realign those 'auto-win' scenarios. Western Michigan (favored by some to beat scUM earlier this year), and Tulsa (lost by 7 to Boise) are logical progressions, and as stated by many, better than scheduling FCS programs like Delaware State.
>No matter how wealthy our alumni base may be (poster excluded), this is a private institution. Bowl money is a big deal, particularly when you don't have to share it.
>Recruiting-A couple times each year, wouldn't it be great for a recruit to flip on NBC to watch a 55-10 game?
>BCS implications-stretching here (maybe)..but beating the Tulsa's of the world (hopefully by a comfotable margin) could one day be the leverage we need to prove our case regarding strength of conference, if an 11-1 Irish team and undefeated Boise State are fighting for that #2 spot in the BCS.
That said, looking ahead, I hope the 2010 edition plays with fire and pounds the crap out of the competition, and stays motivated for USC in November. Utah may look like a pretty quality win at the end of the season as well...
>We expect USC and Michigan to be good every year. Most championship caliber teams have 3 games on their schedule each year that prove their worth in the eyes of the pollsters. That means we need for one other team on the schedule to be a top 15-20 program (historically)- the LSU's, FSU's Nebraska's, Texas', Tennessee's and Washington's of the last 15 years have created that.
>The rest of our schedule is filled with middle of the road BCS-conference programs, as is the case with every other top school. We have always had those 'cupcake' games on our schedule, they were teams such as Navy, Kansas, N'Western, etc. As those programs have gotten better, there is an inherent need for any traditional powerhouse to realign those 'auto-win' scenarios. Western Michigan (favored by some to beat scUM earlier this year), and Tulsa (lost by 7 to Boise) are logical progressions, and as stated by many, better than scheduling FCS programs like Delaware State.
>No matter how wealthy our alumni base may be (poster excluded), this is a private institution. Bowl money is a big deal, particularly when you don't have to share it.
>Recruiting-A couple times each year, wouldn't it be great for a recruit to flip on NBC to watch a 55-10 game?
>BCS implications-stretching here (maybe)..but beating the Tulsa's of the world (hopefully by a comfotable margin) could one day be the leverage we need to prove our case regarding strength of conference, if an 11-1 Irish team and undefeated Boise State are fighting for that #2 spot in the BCS.
That said, looking ahead, I hope the 2010 edition plays with fire and pounds the crap out of the competition, and stays motivated for USC in November. Utah may look like a pretty quality win at the end of the season as well...
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Me too!! Thats going to be a tough year.
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