2 Deep depth chart for 2008

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Yes I'm already thinking about next year, and yes I'm cautiously optimistic. I think we all knew that this was a rebuilding year if people admit it or not, if we can get the Freshman and Sophomores significant playing time to prepare for next year I will consider this year a success.

OFFENSE

WR
-Duval Kamara
-Robby Parris

WR
-Golden Tate
-David Grimes

TE
-Mike Ragone
-Will Yeatman

RB
-James Aldridge
-Armando Allen/Robert Hughes

FB
-Luke Schmidt
-Asaap Schwapp

QB
-Jimmy Clausen
-Evan Sharpley

LT
-Sam Young
-Andrew Nuss

LG
-Dan Wenger
-Chris Olsen

OC
-Braxton Cave
-Emeka Nwankwo

RG
-Matt Carufel
-Chris Stewart

RT
-Matt Romine
-Taylor Dever

DEFENSE

DE
-Omar Hunter
-Paddy Mullen

NT
-Ian Williams
-Darrell Hand

DE
-Pat Kuntz
-Sean Cwynar

OLB
-Kerry Neal
-Anthony Vernaglia

MLB
-Maurice Crum
-Steve Paskorz

MLB
-Toryan Smith
-Scott Smith

OLB
-Brian Smith
-Morrice Richardson

CB
-Darrin Walls
-Gary Gray

CB
-Raeshon Mcneil
-Terrell Lambert

S
-David Bruton
-Kyle McCarthy

S
-Harrison Smith
-Sergio Brown

SPECIAL TEAMS
KR
-Munior Prince
-Barry Gallup

PR
-Munior Prince
-Barry Gallup

KO
-Brandon Walker
-Mate Whitaker

P
-Brandon Walker
-Ryan Burkhart

FG
-Brandon Walker
-Nate whitaker
 

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Do not underate Grimes.. and eight more games this year...what is the average age of that team?

I was going to say the same thing, and the same goes in spades for George West. I also don't see any reason to think Ragone will be ahead of Yeatman.
 

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Wenger will be moving back to center his natural position next year. I highly doubt Cave will start as a true Fr. I see the lineup maybe looking like this.....

WR
-Duval Kamara
-Robby Parris

WR
-David Grimes
-Golden Tate

TE
-Will Yeatman
-Mike Ragone

RB
-James Aldridge
-Armando Allen/Robert Hughes

FB
-Luke Schmidt
-Asaap Schwapp

QB
-Jimmy Clausen
-Evan Sharpley

LT
-Sam Young
-Taylor Dever

LG
-Mike Turkavich
-Eric Olsen

OC
-Dan Wenger
-Thomas Bemendorfer

RG
-Matt Carufel
-Chris Stewart

RT
-Matt Romine
-Duncan

DEFENSE

DE
-Paddy Mullen
-Kallen Wade

NT
-Pat Kuntz
-Ian Williams

DE
-Justin Brown/Darrell Hand
-Ethan Johnson

OLB
-Kerry Neal
-Anthony Vernaglia

MLB
-Maurice Crum
-Steve Paskorz

MLB
-Toryan Smith
-Scott Smith

OLB
-Brian Smith
-Morrice Richardson

CB
-Darrin Walls
-Gary Gray

CB
-Raeshon Mcneil
-Terrell Lambert

S
-David Bruton
-Kyle McCarthy

S
-Harrison Smith
-Sergio Brown

SPECIAL TEAMS
KR

-Golden Tate
-Barry Gallup

PR
-Armando Allen
-Barry Gallup
 

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you forgot me as backup waterboy....made 3rd string this year, thought about transfering to Division II, but water quality is not the same plus you don't get the chicks...I should have worked harder in the off season, but I think I might be kept down cause I am Polish-American.
 

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Does anyone think Fleming, Filer, Poz, or McDonald will crack the 2 deep at LB? Paskorz is a beast, but it doesn't look like he will hit the field this year, at least at LB. Or Nagel for that matter. The nice thing is we are barely losing anyone next year.
 

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This is what I'm guessing it will be

Offense

QB:
1. Jimmy Clausen
2. Evan Sharpley

RB:
1. James Aldridge
2a. Armando Allen
2b. Robert Hughes

FB:
1. Asaap Schwapp
2. Luke Schmidt
(Although I'd like to see Schmidt get more PT, just because at this point I think he can do a little more with the ball)

WR:
1. Duval Kamara
2. Robby Parris
3. Michael Floyd/Jonathan Baldwin :pray:

WR:
1. David Grimes
2. Golden Tate
3. George West

TE:
1. Will Yeatman
2. Mike Ragone

LT:
1. Matt Romine
2. Paul Duncan

LG:
1. Matt Carufel
2. Mike Turkavich

C:
1. Thomas Bemendorfer
2. Dan Wenger

RG:
1. Dan Wenger
2. Eric Olsen or Chris Stewart

RT:
1. Sam Young
2. Taylor Dever

I'll have to think about defense for a little bit.
 
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Goshen, do you really think West will be the number FIVE wideout?? Gosh people are really down on him ... Weis was talking in his presser today about how good West's blocking is.
 

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Goshen, do you really think West will be the number FIVE wideout?? Gosh people are really down on him ... Weis was talking in his presser today about how good West's blocking is.

No. I don't know how familiar you are with offensive personnel, but usually 2 different types of receivers are used in two WR sets (X and Z, or Split end and Flanker), and I put West in with Grmes and Tate because I think they all provide very similar skill sets. I gave Grimes the nod over West because of his added year of experience and he has show that he can make tough catches in traffic in game situations, my reasoning for having Golden Tate higher has more to do with his potential to be a big time playmaker with his speed rather than his on the field play at WR so far, although he has shown glimpses of possible productivity at the position already.
 

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No. I don't know how familiar you are with offensive personnel, but usually 2 different types of receivers are used in two WR sets (X and Z, or Split end and Flanker), and I put West in with Grmes and Tate because I think they all provide very similar skill sets. I gave Grimes the nod over West because of his added year of experience and he has show that he can make tough catches in traffic in game situations, my reasoning for having Golden Tate higher has more to do with his potential to be a big time playmaker with his speed rather than his on the field play at WR so far, although he has shown glimpses of possible productivity at the position already.

Ahh, okay I did know the point about 'X' vs. 'Z', but I didn't process the fact that you were putting them at the same position. Yes, that does make sense to me then. Though sheesh, that's an awful lot of WR talent to try and get on the field ... not a bad problem to have, though, huh?
 

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Ahh, okay I did know the point about 'X' vs. 'Z', but I didn't process the fact that you were putting them at the same position. Yes, that does make sense to me then. Though sheesh, that's an awful lot of WR talent to try and get on the field ... not a bad problem to have, though, huh?

Yeah, if they can start getting open. And just think Jackson, Gallup, Goodman didn't make the list.
 

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....Lambert is back next year :-(.

I think he should really look at transfering lol.

I think Dan Wenger will move back to center and show is true potential there...
 

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Does anyone think Fleming, Filer, Poz, or McDonald will crack the 2 deep at LB? Paskorz is a beast, but it doesn't look like he will hit the field this year, at least at LB. Or Nagel for that matter. The nice thing is we are barely losing anyone next year.

Exactly. The national media doesn't like to point out that we are probably the youngest team in the country.
 

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Goshen you really think that Young would move back to Right Tackle? I think the switch to LT (although at least supposedly due to an injury....that I would imagine is Duncan), is a permanent one. Although the line has stunk, he isn't doing poorly there and I just don't see how we put a 1st year starter at LT when we have someone with two years experience that can protect JC's blindside.

Other than that I agree with the assessment (sp?) for the most part. I also think we might see at least one of the filer/flemming duo slide into at least the primary backup role (much like Neal/Smith seem to be moving on up, to the outsiiiide).

Also in terms of seeing Tate out there, how do the x/y things work as far as seeing a 3rd receiver? At the least I think he would be nice to see in a set with Kamara and West/Grimes.
 

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Piyachi, I hadn't noticed that Goshen had Young moving back to RT. Given that he's already gone there and switched back, I agree with you I think he's our LT for the next few years.
 

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Goshen you really think that Young would move back to Right Tackle? I think the switch to LT (although at least supposedly due to an injury....that I would imagine is Duncan), is a permanent one. Although the line has stunk, he isn't doing poorly there and I just don't see how we put a 1st year starter at LT when we have someone with two years experience that can protect JC's blindside.

I just think Young's body type is better suited for RT, and Romine's is that of a LT. But even thought at least in my opinion, that may be their natural posistions I did think about the experience factor. I know that Romine had already climed up to the 2nd spot on the depth chart at LT by the begining of the season, and given his potential I guess I was sort of hoping/predicting that he will improve enough over the next 11 months or so that they would be able to play their nataural positions based on thier skill sets, rather than playing slightly out of position because if experience needs.

Not that big of a deal either way I guess though, hopefully they'll both be starting at an OT spot next season, if not by the end of this season.
 

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How so? LT needs more quickness, maybe? Young has a good 30-35lbs also on Romine if the roster is correct.

He's also got an extra year of growth, college-level weight training, and meals at South Dining Hall. Romine might catch up.
 

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The only thing I feel certain about our LT situation is that anyone we put there will be better than Duncan has been this year. That includes me, George West, or the Leprechaun.

And I am not a guru so correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't size be the critical factor for the LT? I mean I could see Romine out-technique-ing Young, but he has a pretty big body. As a ravens fan, I'm used to seeing Mulitalo (sp?) over at LT and he is like 6'8" and 340. So my impression has always been that bigger is better at that spot.

Yes, I hope they are both starting soon at the ends, however it shakes out.
 

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A few explanations about my depth chart.

-I have Duval Kamara starting cause we need at least one tall physical receiver. Kamara is also a great blocker and has very good hands. I think Golden should start because we need a home run hitter like him on the field, his speed and shiftiness compliments Kamara’s size and strength. I think Grimes and West would be better off as the third receiver, Grimes already showed last year he is good in that role. And I see Parris backing Kamara and being used as our possession receiver.

-As for Tight End, I definitely see Ragone starting. Remember when Ragone in the weight room and with the others in the football team, Yeatman will be playing Lacrosse. You have to remember Ragone is a tall kid who should be about 250 his Sophomore year. He’s very fast, has good hands, and will give defenses fits. He’s a much bigger weapon and threat then Yeatmen. His blocking is also underrated, this kid is just explosive. Yeatmen will be a great back up though.

-Running back we have a choice between 3 studs. All will see plenty of touches, so it doesn’t matter who starts.

-As much as I like Schwapp, he needs to be demoted to second string. He constantly misses on blocks, drops every pass to him, and I don’t think he’s gotten a single positive yard running the ball. I think some people will just pencil Schwapp in cause the don’t pay much attention to the fullback position or don’t think its as important, but trust me it can be a very important position. Just look at what USC is doing with their fullback Havili, I think he has more yards and TD’s then any other back on USC! Adding another weapon in the back field will force defenses to take their attention away from the other weapons on the field. Luke Schmidt is a weapon, big enough to create huge blocking lanes, yet fast enough to be a dangerous runner and receiver.

-I think we’re all on the same page that anyone is better then Duncan, as long as its not Duncan its an upgrade. But at left tackle I like Young because of his experience, and I like Romine at right tackle cause he played a lot of right tackle in high school and he is very athletic and is fundamentally sound.

-Ditto goes for Turkovich, if he is even second string I will be disappointed. I think Wenger should start at left guard cause after only four starts I see some positive signs, having some experience under his belt should only help next year. Carufel should start at right guard, he’s just much better then Olsen and Turkovich and he almost beat out Wenger for a starting spot this year.

-Yes I think Cave should start at center even though he will be a freshman, he already has the size at 6-4 295, and he already has the strength and quickness. IMO he’s better then any other option at center and truth be told, center position is probably easiest for a Freshman to learn and play straight away.

-Omar Hunter will start! There is not even a doubt in my mind. His size, quickness, and meanness is what’s missing on the defensive line. I can see him taking over for Laws when he graduates on the left defensive end spot. I think Ian Williams will start at nose tackle, he’s got more size then Kuntz and is a better run stuffer. This will allow Kuntz to move to a more natural right defensive end position and also slim back down to around the 275 pound area and regain his quickness. Overall the line would be bigger, faster, and stronger then this years line.

-I think we all agree that Neal and Smith should be starting OLB’s next year. I think Vernaglia has made a huge improvement and John Ryan always gives you 110%, but Vernaglia is some what soft and Ryan gets beat on the outside countless times. Neal and Smith rush the passer better, and are much meaner. We need some mean and angry players, I don’t think I seen a hard hit yet this year.

-Obviously at inside Linebacker Maurice Crum will start, he adds experience and leadership. I think everyone agrees he should start. Toryan Smith adds is a great run stuff and again adds toughness. No more of this vanes shit please!

-At Corner back its obvious that Walls and McNeil should start, Wooden will finally be gone and Lambert needs to be benched.

-At safety Bruton is playing well, he will obviously start. I also think Harrison Smith needs to start, a 6-2 205 pound kid with 4.38 speed and intelligence! This kid needs to start from day one.

-Also if Charlie really wants to run that spread option or Arkansas hog formation I suggest he develop a package with Dan McCarthy as the QB. Just look at his highlight video on scouting Ohio and tell me he doesn't deserve a chance on offense to do some damage.
 
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-At safety Bruton is playing well, he will obviously start. I also think Harrison Smith needs to start, a 6-2 205 pound kid with 4.38 speed and intelligence! This kid needs to start from day one.

Bruton and H.Smith are both FS, I think it's much more likely that we'll see Bruton and Herring.
 

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How so? LT needs more quickness, maybe? Young has a good 30-35lbs also on Romine if the roster is correct.

Yeah, pretty much. If you have a right handed QB then a LT needs to posses more quickness and better footwork because he is protecting the QB's blind side, and he is generally facing the oposing team's WDE which usually happens to be the defense's quickest, fastest, and best pass rusher. Where a RT is idealy more of a powerfull run blocker that generally lines up on the stong side of the offense with the TE, which is were many teams like to run the ball.

For instance I know some people think it's possible that if ND were to land T.Robinson then he might get a look at RT, not just a OG which is where post national services have him projected.

I'm not saying that Young can't do it, or that he'd be bad at it, I just thought he seems like he is better suited for RT.
 
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Defense

WDE:
1. Justin Brown
2a. Darrell Hand
2b. Ethan Johnson

NT:
1. Ian Williams
2. Omar Hunter

SDE:
1. Pat Kuntz
2a. Darrell Hand
2b. Kallen Wade

WOLB:
1. Kerry Neal
2. Morrice Richardson

WMLB:
1. Maurice Crum
2. Steve Paskorz

SMLB:
1. Toryan Smith
2. Anthony McDonald

SOLB:
1. Brian Smith
2. Scott Smith

CB:
1. Darrin Walls
2a. Terrell Lambert
2b. Munior Prince

CB:
1. Raeshon Mcneil
2a. Munior Prince
2b. Gary Gray

FS:
1. David Bruton
2a. Kyle McCarthy
2b. Harrison Smith

SS:
1. Ray Herring
2a. Sergio Brown
2b. Jashaad Gaines

Special Teams:

KR:
1. Golden Tate
2. Armando Allen

PR:
1. Armando Allen
2. Golden Tate

KO:
1. Brandon Walker
2. Nate Whitaker

P:
1. Brandon Walker
2. Eric Maust

FG:
1. Brandon Walker
2. Nate Whitaker
 

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Guys,
Let's get thru this year before we start making out the 2008 chart. First, we have to see who will return for a 5th year. Second, we still have not filled out our recruiting class. I do not see on WR recruit on the two deep which will be the case if we land Floyd, Harper, Walker or another big stud. Finally, we may experience another transfer or two depending how things play out. Just be happy that going into 2008 we have options at virtually every position. Since when was that the case. I will say one thing that I agree with many of you, Harrison Smith has to be on the field. Speed kills and he has lots of it. If we do not happen to get one of the big WR we are targeting, I say we move him to WR. He played O in high school and his speed would put the fear in many a D. He has Ted Ginn type wheels which force a D to give help to any CB. Creating mismatches wins games. Golden and Harrison split out would scare any D. Enjoy watching our boyz grow and mature.
 

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....Lambert is back next year :-(.

I think he should really look at transfering lol.

I think Dan Wenger will move back to center and show is true potential there...

ummm no he isnt. he only is if weis grants him his fifth year which i dont think lambert will look for
 

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Come on guys, back down on Lambert. He has made some nice plays over the last couple years. Yes, he has been beaten a few times, but all our DB's have at one time or another. Part of that issue lies in the fact we do NOT put pressure on the QB. I for one will take Lambert back next season if he decides. You need atleast 4 solid CB's in today's college FB. We will have Walls, McNeil, Gray and then it is up in the air. Lambert would be a good option. If you remember to this past week at MSU, Walls was beaten bad deep on a play that if the QB makes a better throw it is a TD.
 

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Guys,
Let's get thru this year before we start making out the 2008 chart. First, we have to see who will return for a 5th year. Second, we still have not filled out our recruiting class. I do not see on WR recruit on the two deep which will be the case if we land Floyd, Harper, Walker or another big stud. Finally, we may experience another transfer or two depending how things play out. Just be happy that going into 2008 we have options at virtually every position. Since when was that the case. I will say one thing that I agree with many of you, Harrison Smith has to be on the field. Speed kills and he has lots of it. If we do not happen to get one of the big WR we are targeting, I say we move him to WR. He played O in high school and his speed would put the fear in many a D. He has Ted Ginn type wheels which force a D to give help to any CB. Creating mismatches wins games. Golden and Harrison split out would scare any D. Enjoy watching our boyz grow and mature.

It's just something to talk about during the down time when there hasn't been a lot of positives to talk about, and I;m sure most of us are very tired of talking and reading about the problems the Irish have had these fist few games.

As far as the 5th years and recruits go, that makes it a little more fun just trying to guess who will be here and who won't. I for one don't think we'll see too many 5th years. If I had to guess I'd say Crum will probably be back, and then Lambert would be the next most likely, with Vernaglia and Brown as other possibilities. As far as the recuits go ND isn't going to get Walker, so you can throw that option out the window. When it comes to Floyd and Baldwin, who knows?

I also think it would be a bad idea moving H.Smith to WR from FS. He's a tall, fast, ballhawking FS. Which is a position that is very critical in the 3-4.
 
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Offense

X:
1. Duval Kamara
2. George West

LT:
1. Sam Young
2. Taylor Dever

LG:
1. Eric Olsen
2. Mike Turkovich

C:
1. Dan Wenger
2. Thomas Bemenderfer

RG:
1. Matt Carufel
2. Chris Stewart

RT:
1. Paul Duncan
2. Matt Romine

TE:
1. Mike Ragone
2. Will Yeatman

Z:
1. David Grimes
2. Robby Parris

QB:
1. Jimmy Clausen
2. Evan Sharpley

FB:
1. Asaph Schwapp
2. Luke Schmidt

RB:
1. James Aldridge
2. Armando Allen


Defense

LDE:
1. Paddy Mullen
2. Derrell Hand

NT:
1. Pat Kuntz
2. Ian Williams

RDE:
1. Justin Brown
2. Kallen Wade

OLB:
1. Kerry Neal
2. John Ryan

ILB:
1. Maurice Crum Jr.
2. Steve Paskorz

ILB:
1. Toryan Smith
2. Scott Smith

OLB:
1. Anthony Vernaglia
2. Brian Smith

LCB:
1. Darrin Walls
2. Gary Gray

FS:
1. David Bruton
2. Kyle McCarthy

SS:
1. Ray Herring
2. Sergio Brown

RCB:
1. Terrail Lambert
2. Raeshon McNneil

Special Teams:

PK:
1. Brandon Walker
2. Nate Whitaker

P:
1. Eric Maust
2. Xavier Burton

KO:
1. Brandon Walker
2. Nate Whitaker

PR:
1. Armando Allen
2. David Grimes

KR:
1. Golden Tate
2. Armando Allen
 
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