'19 HI ATH Marist Liufau (Notre Dame Signee)

[Irish YJ]

So ur point is if we start grey shirting it's acceptable because the ND degree is of high quality but for other schools it's not because their degree is inferior?

And people wonder why other fanbases hate ND...

Assuming there are a few different groups on the topic.

1) GSing is bad, it's circumventing the spirit of existing rules, and ND should never do it.
2) GSing is fine so long schools are up front and honest
3) GSing done by ND is fine because we're honest, and other schools aren't

Count me in the camp that believes it is a way to circumvent the existing rules, and is becoming the norm in CFB. I don't like it particularly but I'm fine with it as long as it's honest in terms of communication, and we always honor whatever future promise we might have made. The second we don't honor the future promise, is the minute we're SECish... I don't really give two shits what other schools do.

At the end of the day, the athlete makes the initial decision and is aware of the risks despite whatever promises are made. The risks are likely higher with some schools than others. ND is probably a low risk / no risk school when it comes to GSing. In short, it's OK with me until we F someone, and then it isn't.

#3 is why folks hate us lol...

 

[NDdomer2]

Assuming there are a few different groups on the topic.

1) GSing is bad, it's circumventing the spirit of existing rules, and ND should never do it.
2) GSing is fine so long schools are up front and honest
3) GSing done by ND is fine because we're honest, and other schools aren't

Count me in the camp that believes it is a way to circumvent the existing rules, and is becoming the norm in CFB. I don't like it particularly but I'm fine with it as long as it's honest in terms of communication, and we always honor whatever future promise we might have made. The second we don't honor the future promise, is the minute we're SECish... I don't really give two shits what other schools do.

At the end of the day, the athlete makes the initial decision and is aware of the risks despite whatever promises are made. The risks are likely higher with some schools than others. ND is probably a low risk / no risk school when it comes to GSing. In short, it's OK with me until we F someone, and then it isn't.

#3 is why folks hate us lol...

I have no idea if there are kids getting regularly screwed over by this in the SEC (or other conferences) or not. But I feel like if they were you would hear more about it.

It just feels like an assumption,that because they have been GS kids well before the rest of the CFB world, that of course they are doing it unethically.

 

[Irish YJ]

I have no idea if there are kids getting regularly screwed over by this in the SEC (or other conferences) or not. But I feel like if they were you would hear more about it.

It just feels like an assumption,that because they have been GS kids well before the rest of the CFB world, that of course they are doing it unethically.

There are plenty of stories out there. One set of stories is where a kid has a real offer, commits, and then at signing day the school turns it into a grey shirt situation. Happened several times in the SEC and other places when a player got injured before showing up for college. The early signing period has diminished these a bit as most kids simply go somewhere else. The second is when a kid agrees to be GS'd, but the promise is never fulfilled.

here's one of the examples (Saban), but a quick google and you will find plenty.
https://247sports.com/college/alaba...The-INFAMOUS-gray-shirting-by-Saban-17695501/

 

[GBdomer]

Sounds like he is having a great week. One of the alpha dogs from day 3

DB Marist Liufau

The Notre Dame signee was a standout for Team Makai, blanketing the back half of the secondary and covering receivers some 45-50 yards down field. Liufau projects best at outside linebacker given his length, but he's very smooth in coverage and seamlessly reacts to plays in front of him. The Fighting Irish are getting one of the bigger steals out West in this recruiting cycle.

https://247sports.com/college/notre...t-2019-Polynesian-Bowl-127982699/#127982699_3

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I think he could play safety this year coming up for us

 

[GBdomer]

I think he could play safety this year coming up for us

How do you figure? He might not even be on campus let alone contributing at safety. I think we could be a weapon on special teams in a few years but no way if he sticks to safety he's beating out Hamilton, Allen, Griffin and all those guys. Staff wants him to play rover/OLB and for his length that's perfect for him.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

How do you figure? He might not even be on campus let alone contributing at safety. I think we could be a weapon on special teams in a few years but no way if he sticks to safety he's beating out Hamilton, Allen, Griffin and all those guys. Staff wants him to play rover/OLB and for his length that's perfect for him.

Wel hopefully the staff has an answer for safety/CB play because when love went out the team looked awful.

 

[dkuhn12]

Wel hopefully the staff has an answer for safety/CB play because when love went out the team looked awful.

So why you attributing that to the safety play? The safeties had to account for poor play on the outside by a backup cornerback who lost any confidence he once had after the Pitt game. Gilman got burned on one play in the game but name another game it happened in this year? The last thing I want is a freshman safety playing over a group with experience and solid depth behind it. I think it will be hard to get Hamilton on the field with solid reps let alone Liufau.

 

[GBdomer]

Wel hopefully the staff has an answer for safety/CB play because when love went out the team looked awful.

I don't even know why I'm responding. You just say shit to say shit. Julian Love is gone, Marist Litufua isn't going to answer those questions next year or the year after that. Gillman and Elliot were some of the bright spots for our team this year. Now you think a major project like Marist is gonna come in and figure that all out? Playing a position we aren't even recruiting him as?

 

[GBdomer]

So why you attributing that to the safety play? The safeties had to account for poor play on the outside by a backup cornerback who lost any confidence he once had after the Pitt game. Gilman got burned on one play in the game but name another game it happened in this year? The last thing I want is a freshman safety playing over a group with experience and solid depth behind it. I think it will be hard to get Hamilton on the field with solid reps let alone Liufau.

Save your energy, it's not worth the battle bro

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I’m just stating the DB play is concerning next year I think Bracy will be good in time. The Vandy game was concerning their QB threw all over us and we didn’t have an answer for their TE. We also caught some breaks with cuse QB getting Hurt, and their was at least 1 or 2 other teams we played where their Back up was playing. Virgina tech being one of them.

 

[GBdomer]

I’m just stating the DB play is concerning next year I think Bracy will be good in time. The Vandy game was concerning their QB threw all over us and we didn’t have an answer for their TE. We also caught some breaks with cuse QB getting Hurt, and their was at least 1 or 2 other teams we played where their Back up was playing. Virgina tech being one of them.

What are you talking about now? We literally return 4 of our 5 DB's and get Crawford back. All college football teams would be so pumped two return two great safeties and a battle tested corner in Pride who I believe will take that next step and become a #1 corner.

 

[Irish YJ]

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I’m just stating the DB play is concerning next year I think Bracy will be good in time. The Vandy game was concerning their QB threw all over us and we didn’t have an answer for their TE. We also caught some breaks with cuse QB getting Hurt, and their was at least 1 or 2 other teams we played where their Back up was playing. Virgina tech being one of them.

DB is not a "concern". CB may be a little concern, but there are many other position groups with more questions. DT/NT, LB, OL, and RB are far greater concerns. Assuming no regression, the only thing I will worry about less than one CB, is DE, and QB.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I don’t understand the concern at DT/NT.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don’t understand the concern at DT/NT.

The middle of our DL (both starters) will be new. One of which was our sack and forced fumble leader, and likely a second round pick. That combined with losing our starting Mike and Buck means the middle of our front seven will be all newbs. Run defense next year is a huge ? as we're losing 2 or our top 3 tacklers.

We likely have solid replacements at NT and DT, but depth will be young.

 

[Irish YJ]

had an INT last night, as did Asa.

overall the game was pretty sloppy as you might expect.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This is big boy football. And we are back with the big boys now. If some of you think it's unacceptable, then go root for the Ivy League and the Service Academies.

Forward not backward.

 

[GowerND11]

This is big boy football. And we are back with the big boys now. If some of you think it's unacceptable, then go root for the Ivy League and the Service Academies.

Forward not backward.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Lol that's appropriate because it was over the top in jest. But honestly, I don't have a problem with greyshirting if someone really wants to come but we have no room.

 

[OhioIrish31]

I think he could play safety this year coming up for us

LOL. sorry I'm a little late to the party...this goes right to the top of the list of your "all time great posts"! Not a chance.

 

[ab2cmiller]

LOL. sorry I'm a little late to the party...this goes right to the top of the list of your "all time great posts"! Not a chance.

Hey, at least he's not tweeting at recruits.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A USC site suggested last week <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> LB signee Marist Liufau could be poached by the Trojans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDInsider?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NDInsider</a> adds clarity to the situation. ($) <a href="https://t.co/AtwYO4O9jm">https://t.co/AtwYO4O9jm</a></p>— Carter Karels (@CarterKarels) <a href="https://twitter.com/CarterKarels/status/1088634736656961536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[SoIll]

anyone have more on this?

 

[NDMIA]

anyone have more on this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite a rumor going around, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> linebacker Marist Liufau made it clear today to <a href="https://twitter.com/bangulo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bangulo</a> that he signed his NLI on Dec. 19 for many reasons and no matter when the time comes, he only wants to play college ball for the Fighting Irish. <a href="https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd">https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd</a><a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://t.co/swt7oM47kN">pic.twitter.com/swt7oM47kN</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/1086083994133909506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The II podcast went more into it, but essentially, JD Bertrand and Marist Liufau are scholarships #87 & 88 right now. I don’t know which one is first in line, but essentially they will get scholarships when the come available. Either they move to South Bend in mid-June 2019 or January 2020. They are guaranteed scholarships at ND by virtue of them signing letters of intent which marries and the player to the school and vice-versa. The school would not be allowed to talk about them if they hadn’t. Also, USC might be interested but it’s illegal for them to speak to Marist while he is in a scholarship agreement with ND. He’d need to enter the transfer portal and if he did, it would reek of tampering by USC. I think even with Asa Turner & Isaiah Foskey potentially coming (that would get to 90), 5 more guys will leave the program. There are a ton of DB’s who are at their make or break point of playing or not in their career and many other dudes who haven’t seen significant burn (Javon McKinley, Isaiah Robertson, Darnell Ewell, Kofi Wardlow, Jon Jones, Drew White, Jeremiah O Koramoah, and Devin Studstill).

 

[BobbyMac]

The II podcast went more into it, but essentially, JD Bertrand and Marist Liufau are scholarships #87 & 88 right now. I don’t know which one is first in line, but essentially they will get scholarships when the come available. Either they move to South Bend in mid-June 2019 or January 2020. They are guaranteed scholarships at ND by virtue of them signing letters of intent which marries and the player to the school and vice-versa. The school would not be allowed to talk about them if they hadn’t. Also, USC might be interested but it’s illegal for them to speak to Marist while he is in a scholarship agreement with ND. He’d need to enter the transfer portal and if he did, it would reek of tampering by USC. I think even with Asa Turner & Isaiah Foskey potentially coming (that would get to 90), 5 more guys will leave the program. There are a ton of DB’s who are at their make or break point of playing or not in their career and many other dudes who haven’t seen significant burn (Javon McKinley, Isaiah Robertson, Darnell Ewell, Kofi Wardlow, Jon Jones, Drew White, Jeremiah O Koramoah, and Devin Studstill).

The second Marist attends his first class at a prep school (if he does), he's open game and the NLI is nullified.

Also, nothing is guaranteed. It's a violation to promise a scholarship down the road (or at least it used to be). Now we all know they are going to end up on scholarship but I believe it still has to be a universal assumption rather than a stated fact unless the rules have changed. Did BK ever say they were promised scholarships in his pressers? I didn't see any of them. Maybe I'm off on this?

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite a rumor going around, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> linebacker Marist Liufau made it clear today to <a href="https://twitter.com/bangulo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bangulo</a> that he signed his NLI on Dec. 19 for many reasons and no matter when the time comes, he only wants to play college ball for the Fighting Irish. <a href="https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd">https://t.co/wNI6QdwFtd</a><a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://t.co/swt7oM47kN">pic.twitter.com/swt7oM47kN</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/1086083994133909506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The II podcast went more into it, but essentially, JD Bertrand and Marist Liufau are scholarships #87 & 88 right now. I don’t know which one is first in line, but essentially they will get scholarships when the come available. Either they move to South Bend in mid-June 2019 or January 2020. They are guaranteed scholarships at ND by virtue of them signing letters of intent which marries and the player to the school and vice-versa. The school would not be allowed to talk about them if they hadn’t. Also, USC might be interested but it’s illegal for them to speak to Marist while he is in a scholarship agreement with ND. He’d need to enter the transfer portal and if he did, it would reek of tampering by USC. I think even with Asa Turner & Isaiah Foskey potentially coming (that would get to 90), 5 more guys will leave the program. There are a ton of DB’s who are at their make or break point of playing or not in their career and many other dudes who haven’t seen significant burn (Javon McKinley, Isaiah Robertson, Darnell Ewell, Kofi Wardlow, Jon Jones, Drew White, Jeremiah O Koramoah, and Devin Studstill).

Eddie Vanderdoesn't says hello.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The second Marist attends his first class at a prep school (if he does), he's open game and the NLI is nullified.

Also, nothing is guaranteed. It's a violation to promise a scholarship down the road (or at least it used to be). Now we all know they are going to end up on scholarship but I believe it still has to be a universal assumption rather than a stated fact unless the rules have changed. Did BK ever say they were promised scholarships in his pressers? I didn't see any of them. Maybe I'm off on this?

A National Letter of Intent is signed by a college-bound student-athlete agreeing to attend a Division I or II college for one academic year. Participating colleges agree to provide financial aid for one academic year to the student-athlete as long as the student-athlete is admitted to the school and is eligible for financial aid under NCAA rules. Other forms of financial aid do not guarantee the student-athlete financial aid.

The National Letter of Intent is voluntary and not required for a student-athlete to receive financial aid or participate in sports.

Signing a National Letter of Intent ends the recruiting process because participating schools are prohibited from recruiting student-athletes who have already signed letters with other participating schools.

A student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent but decides to attend another college may request a release from his or her contract with the school. If a student-athlete signs a National Letter of Intent with one school but attends a different school, he or she loses one full year of eligibility and must complete a full academic year at the new school before being eligible to compete.

It's just a two sentence summary of the school's commitment, and therefore short on detail, but it certainly sounds like ND has obligated itself to the student. I just can't tell what the outlines of that obligation are if there are more than 85 scholarship kids attached to football.

 

[koonja]

II podcast also mentioned there are transfers the staff is expecting, the individual players just haven't chosen to announce them yet.

 

[Luckylucci]

The second Marist attends his first class at a prep school (if he does), he's open game and the NLI is nullified.

Also, nothing is guaranteed. It's a violation to promise a scholarship down the road (or at least it used to be). Now we all know they are going to end up on scholarship but I believe it still has to be a universal assumption rather than a stated fact unless the rules have changed. Did BK ever say they were promised scholarships in his pressers? I didn't see any of them. Maybe I'm off on this?

This and/or if they just deny his enrollment for first semester. Either the previous post misunderstood what II was saying or II doesn't quite grasp the details.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

just earned his 4th star per 247