'19 GA LB JD Bertrand (Notre Dame Signee)

[IA4irish]

I have been harsh because he is limited laterally and he does miss tackles in space. With that being said, he was awesome Saturday. That blown up 4th down play was a beauty.

 

[Luckylucci]

He'll remember that play for the rest of his life. It's corny but that's truly what dreams are made of. Couldn't have happened to a better student athlete at Notre Dame.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Lberry]

He's the one I want back. His blitz timing is impeccable and he obviously knows the defense. If not him, Marist. I don't want Kiser back, he would be disappointing as "the guy" in 2024 with younger guys around him. I hope JD gets some NIL cash.

 

[FU BK]

He's the one I want back. His blitz timing is impeccable and he obviously knows the defense. If not him, Marist. I don't want Kiser back, he would be disappointing as "the guy" in 2024 with younger guys around him. I hope JD gets some NIL cash.

So if JD doesn't come back, you want missed tackle Marist? I absolutely do not like to rag on these guys 1 bit, but my lord, he plays fast but is always out of position, runs past the play, or whiffs on the tackle. I'd much rather see Kiser than Marist

 

[Lberry]

So if JD doesn't come back, you want missed tackle Marist? I absolutely do not like to rag on these guys 1 bit, but my lord, he plays fast but is always out of position, runs past the play, or whiffs on the tackle. I'd much rather see Kiser than Marist

Over Kiser, yes I would definitely take Marist. Kiser is not good, he's small, quick, and in the right spot. He doesn't hit hard (unlike JD), he doesn't cause havoc (unlike Marist in rushing). Marist certainly isn't great and likely why he'll be playing CFB again when he'd rather go pro I'm sure.

We don't need players who "can play 70 snaps and not screw up" with the highly ranked younger LBs we have waiting in the wings, we need players that can plan 30 snaps and do SOMETHING, bring a unique attribute to the field. Kiser just isn't good and I feel like it's time we stop beating around that bush if we want to talk about being a serious program.

 

[PutuporShutup]

He's the one I want back. His blitz timing is impeccable and he obviously knows the defense. If not him, Marist. I don't want Kiser back, he would be disappointing as "the guy" in 2024 with younger guys around him. I hope JD gets some NIL cash.

what makes you want marist back at all of any of them? He has absolutely no feel or instincts so I don't think he's help out the younger ones like betrand would, and possibly kiser.

I don't want the leader of the LB position to be someone that doesn't know what they're doing. Kiser isn't great, but he at least can lead the younger players. marist would be telling players to run into the linemen/rb/te that's blocking you as hard as possible hoping something good happens.

 

[CanadalovesND]

He's the one I want back. His blitz timing is impeccable and he obviously knows the defense. If not him, Marist. I don't want Kiser back, he would be disappointing as "the guy" in 2024 with younger guys around him. I hope JD gets some NIL cash.

Kiser is the most productive out of the three given the amount of snaps he receives. Both Luifau and Bertrand nearly have double the amount of snaps.

Hes also the highest graded out of the three. Kiser would be indispensable. As would Bertrand and Liufau. But ND cant keep all three.

Liufau, for all his errors, believe it or not, is actually well regarded in the draft community. Bertrand is also well over 2,000 career snaps which is a lot of any college player. You can entice him with NIL to return, but at this point in his career, he has nothing left to prove and should begin his professional career.

 

[Lberry]

what makes you want marist back at all of any of them? He has absolutely no feel or instincts so I don't think he's help out the younger ones like betrand would, and possibly kiser.

I don't want the leader of the LB position to be someone that doesn't know what they're doing. Kiser isn't great, but he at least can lead the younger players. marist would be telling players to run into the linemen/rb/te that's blocking you as hard as possible hoping something good happens.

Marist can make a play, Kiser cannot. There's havoc potential to his game. Marist isn't great either, but can at least be disruptive. JD >>> Marist > Kiser.

We need to break through the "can't make a play, but knows how to line up" LB run we've had for a decade, even if that means some young guys taking their lumps early on for a longer term pay off, or a hit or miss LB who can at least hit.

 

[NDpendent]

I wanted to engage so bad but I resisted. I'm very proud of my baby steps

 

[zelezo vlk]

I wanted to engage so bad but I resisted. I'm very proud of my baby steps

It's rather simple. Lberry doesn't want any LB on the roster that he personally can beat in the Oklahoma drill

 

[ulukinatme]

Kiser: Tied for most solo tackles on the team, do not want!

 

[Edge]

Marist can make a play, Kiser cannot. There's havoc potential to his game. Marist isn't great either, but can at least be disruptive. JD >>> Marist > Kiser.

We need to break through the "can't make a play, but knows how to line up" LB run we've had for a decade, even if that means some young guys taking their lumps early on for a longer term pay off, or a hit or miss LB who can at least hit.

Isn’t that what Marist did?
Bertrand 613 snaps 75 tackles
Liufau 595 snaps 44 tackles
Kiser 327 snaps 59 tackles

 

[IrishBoognish]

Isn’t that what Marist did?

Kiser conversations remind me a lot of the talk on IE about one Mister Harrison "Hayseed" Smith.

He was much maligned and picked on around here... until he wasn't.

I just got back from practicing solitary zen mediataion in Tibet... Does anyone know how ol' Hayseed's career panned out?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Kiser is the most productive out of the three given the amount of snaps he receives. Both Luifau and Bertrand nearly have double the amount of snaps.

Hes also the highest graded out of the three. Kiser would be indispensable. As would Bertrand and Liufau. But ND cant keep all three.

Liufau, for all his errors, believe it or not, is actually well regarded in the draft community. Bertrand is also well over 2,000 career snaps which is a lot of any college player. You can entice him with NIL to return, but at this point in his career, he has nothing left to prove and should begin his professional career.

The bolded, IMO; is based on his athleticism. He’d be a late Rounder or UDFA and seen as a promising project. I know injuries slowed his development but he is either making plays or making mistakes…no consistency. When looking at PFF grades, Marist has the biggest disparity w/ either one of the highest grades or one of the lowest grades on defense depending on the game.

 

[IrishBoognish]

The bolded, IMO; is based on his athleticism. He’d be a late Rounder or UDFA and seen as a promising project. I know injuries slowed his development but he is either making plays or making mistakes…no consistency. When looking at PFF grades, Marist has the biggest disparity w/ either one of the highest grades or one of the lowest grades on defense depending on the game.

If I was an NFL GM. (God save whatever team that is) I'd look really hard at Marist as a strong safety type. Get him some room to react. I'd be ecstatic if he came back.

 

[T-Boone]

Kiser seemed to be making plays all over the place against Stanford. I’d like to see him given a proper go the other two need to go an try to make an NFL team.

 

[LifelongFan]

I hope Kiser comes back, but I'm on the side of the coaches that he wasn't playing for a reason. Bertrand was all around better and Liafau was a havoc creating player in a front 7 that was lacking in that. Never going to chase away someone with Kisers experience, but I'm thinking he could be beaten out by Sneed, Audsberry, or Bowen as the year goes on.

 

[T-Boone]

I hope Kiser comes back, but I'm on the side of the coaches that he wasn't playing for a reason. Bertrand was all around better and Liafau was a havoc creating player in a front 7 that was lacking in that. Never going to chase away someone with Kisers experience, but I'm thinking he could be beaten out by Sneed, Audsberry, or Bowen as the year goes on.

Bertrand was slow but otherwise very good.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kiser conversations remind me a lot of the talk on IE about one Mister Harrison "Hayseed" Smith.

He was much maligned and picked on around here... until he wasn't.

I just got back from practicing solitary zen mediataion in Tibet... Does anyone know how ol' Hayseed's career panned out?

To be fair, wasn't the concern with Smith centered around his time as an undersized linebacker? I think once he made the switch to safety everyone was pretty stoked about his play lol

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[Irish#1]

Marist can make a play, Kiser cannot. There's havoc potential to his game. Marist isn't great either, but can at least be disruptive. JD >>> Marist > Kiser.

We need to break through the "can't make a play, but knows how to line up" LB run we've had for a decade, even if that means some young guys taking their lumps early on for a longer term pay off, or a hit or miss LB who can at least hit.

So you're okay with 3 or 4 missed plays for every disruptive play?

 

[Irish#1]

It's rather simple. Lberry doesn't want any LB on the roster that he personally can beat in the Oklahoma drill

Why the italics?

 

[Irish#1]

To be fair, wasn't the concern with Smith centered around his time as an undersized linebacker? I think once he made the switch to safety everyone was pretty stoked about his play lol

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Wasn't he a safety, then moved to LB, then back?

 

[Lberry]

So you're okay with 3 or 4 missed plays for every disruptive play?

I'm ok with the potential of disruption, and smartly using that person in the right spots to utilize their strengths. Perfect example is exactly who we're talking about - Marist on blitzes has caused the QB to break many times. You'll continue seeing more and more of the same from Sneed as well, even though he can't be played for 75 snaps.

I value assisted tackles 9 yards past the LOS very little. And it's why Kiser plays so little as is, while everyone online points to his surface level tackles wondering "why". It's pretty obvious why he plays less than Marist and JD.

And you didn't ask but I see PFF grades posted in support of Kiser/others. PFF grades are good for OL and identifying really bad play. They're worthless for identifying who's actually making plays.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Kiser doesn't play as much as them because they are almost always in nickel which I know you know means the rover has to come off the field

 

[Lberry]

Kiser doesn't play as much as them because they are almost always in nickel which I know you know means the rover has to come off the field

And he's that because the other two LBs are more valuable and they'd rather have JD and Marist on the field more. Al Golden isn't dumb, if Kiser wasn't the 3rd best, he'd be the Will or Mike.

 

[Kingbish01]

JD is a hometown kid, and I'm a fan of his. But he's a prime example of getting the most out of natural abilities. Reminds me a little of Schmidt.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Wasn't he a safety, then moved to LB, then back?

Yes

 

[NDdomer2]

the kiser supporters like to show his tackles per snaps, but it doesnt ever seem to come up that his position coach is our DC who is getting tons of praise and that he likely knows what the hell he is doing and could just maybe be putting Kiser in the most advantageous positions to succeed.

just a thought.

 

[Lberry]

the kiser supporters like to show his tackles per snaps, but it doesnt ever seem to come up that his position coach is our DC who is getting tons of praise and that he likely knows what the hell he is doing and could just maybe be putting Kiser in the most advantageous positions to succeed.

just a thought.

People overrated "tackles". Much more important for LBs are "tackles and average yardage gained", "TFL", "Pressures", and "Havoc rate".

Like you're hinting at, there's a reason he plays the least of the 3.