'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[NDdomer2]

So many alter usernames

 

[FOTY977]

WR play and playing calling aside, he's missed reads and missed throws. Even if things are not always in his favour, you still expect him to make the right decisions and throws when needed. He's been far too inconsistent the last what... six games?

Goolsby called him "mid", and he is. Maybe he was just a system quarterback at Wake.

He was definitely a system QB at Wake, and he came to ND to be a system QB in a pro style offense and give scouts a reason to believe he can manage a system at the next level.

Problem is, there is no scheme or system to speak of so he, and a green WR corps, have been set up for failure.

 

[PutuporShutup]

He was definitely a system QB at Wake, and he came to ND to be a system QB in a pro style offense and give scouts a reason to believe he can manage a system at the next level.

Problem is, there is no scheme or system to speak of so he, and a green WR corps, have been set up for failure.

Completely agree… should have ran him a bunch yesterday .. it worked every time but there wasn’t many

 

[Terry Jillery]

Sam has been all class despite getting Parker instead of Rees. Kept to his word with Freeman despite having the opportunity to bail and has been a good leader. He could be acting like Caleb Williams. He’d be significantly better if Rees, Ludwig, Klein, etc was here and we had a quality deep threat that would fight for the football.

 

[irishff1014]

Sam has been all class despite getting Parker instead of Rees. Dated to his word with Freeman and has been a good leader. He could be acting like Caleb Williams. He’d be significantly better if Rees, Ludwig, Klein, etc was here and we had a quality deep threat that would fight for the football.

Him as a rep of this university has been magnificent. No questions about that. Wish his play and decision making equaled that.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Sam is a class act and appears, on the surface, to be a good man.

It just didn't work out and I'm on to the next QB.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sam is a class act and appears, on the surface, to be a good man.

It just didn't work out and I'm on to the next QB.

I agree but barring injury or complete meltdown, we’ll see Sam for three more games. I worry now how he performs against his old school on Senior Day. First thought that jumped to mind was 3-4 picks as he tries too hard to force things when the going gets tough against his former team.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Sam will get drafted.
Everyone will be looking for the next Purdy.

I can see him eventually having success if he's put on a uber talented team like Brock, and limits his mistakes.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sam will get drafted.
Everyone will be looking for the next Purdy.

I can see him eventually having success if he's put on a uber talented team like Brock, and limits his mistakes.

Purdy did have a bad final season so he’s got that in common w/ Hartman.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I wish the problem was just Hartman.

But, unfortunately, he is a little deal compared to the bigger picture here. Notre Dame has literally 0 identity offensively.

I have no idea how they would use Steve or Kenny. I have no idea how they would use another transfer. I don't even know what kind of transfer they would want.

I literally have zero clue as to anything offensively.

 

[Lberry]

So many alter usernames

Breath of fresh air. They are actually saying things. 30% of the knowns have nothing to add beyond "haha where'd you coach dumb dumb".

 

[FOTY977]

I wish the problem was just Hartman.

But, unfortunately, he is a little deal compared to the bigger picture here. Notre Dame has literally 0 identity offensively.

I have no idea how they would use Steve or Kenny. I have no idea how they would use another transfer. I don't even know what kind of transfer they would want.

I literally have zero clue as to anything offensively.

That puts you on even footing with the offensive coordinator

 

[Lberry]

Agree with "can't bench Hartman". He's been underwhelming but WRs aren't open and there's Parker. Plus, he's the media darling (although they likely move on now). Fair or not, national perspective on MF will change if he benches the early season Golden boy. So Angelli better light it up, 50 points next two games, or he better ride Sam out. Impacts future transfer as well as media playing nicely with MF.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

Not with Parker calling the plays

this is my biggest gripe. hartman came to Notre Dame and got worse. i've heard this bantered about and agree with it. i think it has more to do with our coaching staff and injuries to a thin receiving corps than it does hartman. i think the season is different if thomas and colzie aren't injured. evans for this last game. our player development looks like garbage. i pray that angeli and/or minchey are the real deal because we aren't getting a high end qb from the portal.

 

[Old Man Mike]

TRY TO WIN THE GAMES. Everyone needs that --- particularly Freeman if he wants to stay HC longer term.
SAM HAS NO ONE TO THROW TO --- NO ONE's going to survive that. How the hell will Angeli or Minchey?
(and it clearly would be the more mature in the system Angeli by the way at least to begin.) These guys going
to turn into Lamar Jackson? We going to shift to Ken Niumatolola's offense? Sam plays period.
We owe the fans that, we owe Sam that, Freeman owes himself that.

 

[irishandy]

Sam has been all class despite getting Parker instead of Rees. Kept to his word with Freeman despite having the opportunity to bail and has been a good leader. He could be acting like Caleb Williams. He’d be significantly better if Rees, Ludwig, Klein, etc was here and we had a quality deep threat that would fight for the football.

Regardless of what's happened the past month or what will happen the rest of the way, Hartman has been great for this program. He is a significate upgrade from what we had in Pyne & Buchner. Mayer made Pyne look good and I have never been impressed with Buchner. Imagine if Mayer stayed this year, he even did better than expected his freshman year with Coan. One thing to be thankful for is Rees was still with ND when Hartman committed, if ND would've had Parker I don't see Hartman coming here. Do we call this move a failure and does it affect a QB transfer for next year? If you say yes, I don't blame Hartman.

Parker's gotta go. Sam deserved better & our offense deserves better for the future.

 

[Kingbish01]

Serious food for though question....Did Hartman beat anyone this year that TB12 wouldn't have beat? Obviously Hartman is the head and shoulders better QB....but thats not my question.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

Serious food for though question....Did Hartman beat anyone this year that TB12 wouldn't have beat? Obviously Hartman is the head and shoulders better QB....but thats not my question.

maybe duke.

 

[Kingbish01]

maybe duke.

Maybe...but wasn't Hartman under 50% against Duke. I feel like they almost lost to Duke because of Hartmans poor play.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Serious food for though question....Did Hartman beat anyone this year that TB12 wouldn't have beat? Obviously Hartman is the head and shoulders better QB....but thats not my question.

Nc state and duke, all our big plays but estime run was due to Hartman

 

[Irish Knuckles]

Maybe...but wasn't Hartman under 50% against Duke. I feel like they almost lost to Duke because of Hartmans poor play.

yeah, it's big maybe. that's just the only team i could come up with. not saying we couldn't have won that game with buchner. i don't think wanting hartman was a mistake, but rees leaving for alabama AFTER the fact really hurt things. rees has shown the ability to tailor his offense to the situation, parker has not.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Serious food for though question....Did Hartman beat anyone this year that TB12 wouldn't have beat? Obviously Hartman is the head and shoulders better QB....but thats not my question.

It’s a good question but with Parker as OC and Buchner under center we might have 3 wins, not 7.

 

[PutuporShutup]

yeah, it's big maybe. that's just the only team i could come up with. not saying we couldn't have won that game with buchner. i don't think wanting hartman was a mistake, but rees leaving for alabama AFTER the fact really hurt things. rees has shown the ability to tailor his offense to the situation, parker has not.

We had Tobias and Rico and a bit of tyree as only wrs that game, literally 3 wrs and 2 can’t not physically get open … insane passes to Evans and a last 2 minute drive, no turnovers too

May not have had 100 total yards with TB…

See TB with alabamas offense at USF… he is bad

 

[Irish Knuckles]

We had Tobias and Rico and a bit of tyree as only wrs that game, literally 3 wrs and 2 can’t not physically get open … insane passes to Evans and a last 2 minute drive, no turnovers too

that's why i said maybe duke is the game that buchner wouldn't have won. i think that's the only game we've won that maybe buchner couldn't have. he would've probably been hurt before the duke game anyway.

 

[PutuporShutup]

that's why i said maybe duke is the game that buchner wouldn't have won. i think that's the only game we've won that maybe buchner couldn't have. he would've probably been hurt before the duke game anyway.

We lose vs nc state too imo… can’t assume we bust a long 80 td td with tb as qb and absolutely no threat of pass

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

My major concern is that all of his years of experience and he hasn't audibled once.

Which means 1 of 2 things.

1 Park has totally handcuffed him.

2 He can't read a defense pre snap and Parker has hand cuffed him.

Neither are good for a 6th year grad transfer.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

We lose vs nc state too imo… can’t assume we bust a long 80 td td with tb as qb and absolutely no threat of pass

that's a good point, but we have to factor in tbs running ability. hartman has enough speed to take advantage of what the defense gives him at times, but he's not the runner tb is. also think would be a better passer at this point just because of playing time, but yeah, lotsa guesswork.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

We had Tobias and Rico and a bit of tyree as only wrs that game, literally 3 wrs and 2 can’t not physically get open … insane passes to Evans and a last 2 minute drive, no turnovers too

May not have had 100 total yards with TB…

See TB with alabamas offense at USF… he is bad

their whole offense was bad against usf. now rees is just running the qb as a staple and taking shots downfield. milroe only threw 23 passes last night against lsu. i'm not arguing tb is better than hartman btw. tb has certainly shown he can play better than he did against usf, as has milroe.

 

[NDdomer2]

Breath of fresh air. They are actually saying things. 30% of the knowns have nothing to add beyond "haha where'd you coach dumb dumb".

Shocked at the first to respond here

 

[PutuporShutup]

their whole offense was bad against usf. now rees is just running the qb as a staple and taking shots downfield. milroe only threw 23 passes last night against lsu. i'm not arguing tb is better than hartman btw. tb has certainly shown he can play better than he did against usf, as has milroe.

I get your point but milroe didn’t play vs usf, for disciplinary reasons, he would have played much better due to hiss elite athleticism alone