‘18 IN DL Braden Fiske (Florida State Verbal)

[irishff1014]

From the first post:

“Playing time is the biggest one, being able to make an impact on the field…Then secondly, getting my family to games. That's a big one for me being from the Midwest and I'm not opposed to leaving, but being able to get my family to travel to games is huge for me."

The issue is I’m sure USC and FSU will lay out how much a few flights cost

Thanks @Dale

 

[stlnd01]

0.0% surprised. Most top level transfers want a significant financial commitment and most schools with collectives are prepared to give it.

I don't care about NIL for HS players... being able to land top level transfers is what will make or break ND.

This right here.
I get the reluctance to pay high school kids. That can lead to all sorts of problems. But if you want mature, experienced grad transfers who can walk in and start on our team, you're going to need to pay them, because they're going to have a lot of options. And there's no good reason not to.
If we're getting NIL'd for Fiske, I worry about Hartman.

 

[NDdomer2]

From the first post:

“Playing time is the biggest one, being able to make an impact on the field…Then secondly, getting my family to games. That's a big one for me being from the Midwest and I'm not opposed to leaving, but being able to get my family to travel to games is huge for me."

The issue is I’m sure USC and FSU will lay out how much a few flights cost

Yeah I guess this doesn't say paying close to home specifically huh

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Then don't say you want to stay close to home. Then you to two universities that are close to the furthest away.

The kid may not have been taking the interview seriously & just patronizing the reporter w/ playerspeak

 

[IRISHDODGER]

This right here.
I get the reluctance to pay high school kids. That can lead to all sorts of problems. But if you want mature, experienced grad transfers who can walk in and start on our team, you're going to need to pay them, because they're going to have a lot of options. And there's no good reason not to.
If we're getting NIL'd for Fiske, I worry about Hartman.

I think most schools will follow this trend b/c proven players w/ experience the bird in the hand. HS kids can flake out or bust.

 

[WildMan1]

I don’t see this kid coming here.. We’re clearly not paying and the other schools he’s interested in are.. it’s that simple.

I simply just remove the idea that kids live ND Football as much as I do and the answer is simple.. They’ll take the money 9/10 times

 

[Sea Turtle]

I don’t see this kid coming here.. We’re clearly not paying and the other schools he’s interested in are.. it’s that simple.

I simply just remove the idea that kids live ND Football as much as I do and the answer is simple.. They’ll take the money 9/10 times

The problem is that every year, more and more schools will do this.

Thus, freezing us out.

 

[NDFAN2008]

How does anyone expect to land Hartman if we aren’t going to pay upfront

 

[Bluto]

How does anyone expect to land Hartman if we aren’t going to pay upfront

Because someone who has completed a college degree tends to be much more capable of rational thinking than most dumb ass 17 year olds.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Because someone who has completed a college degree tends to be much more capable of rational thinking than most dumb ass 17 year olds.

Apparently not for most guys

 

[Bluto]

Apparently not for most guys

Really? Who are all these college graduates you speak of?

 

[NDdomer2]

Because someone who has completed a college degree tends to be much more capable of rational thinking than most dumb ass 17 year olds.

I believe he was discussing in relation to other transfers. Some of which are also graduates. Being 3-5 years older doesn't make money less enticing.

 

[Bluto]

I believe he was discussing in relation to other transfers. Some of which are also graduates. Being 3-5 years older doesn't make money less enticing.

In terms of general human development/cognitive function at that life stage 5 years is a huge difference.

 

[NDdomer2]

In terms of general human development/cognitive function at that life stage 5 years is a huge difference.

Not disagreeing but you might also have a more realistic idea of ur ability to make a living playing football and realize the opportunity to make that money now vs later.

 

[MacIrish75]

I don’t see this kid coming here.. We’re clearly not paying and the other schools he’s interested in are.. it’s that simple.

I simply just remove the idea that kids live ND Football as much as I do and the answer is simple.. They’ll take the money 9/10 times

But that still leaves…one time…

 

[NDRock]

Because someone who has completed a college degree tends to be much more capable of rational thinking than most dumb ass 17 year olds.

I figured most college graduates look at salary when deciding on their next opportunity. I guess if you’re into pro bono work or Rudy is your favorite movie then ND might be for you.

 

[Dale]

I figured most college graduates look at salary when deciding on their next opportunity. I guess if you’re into pro bono work or Rudy is your favorite movie then ND might be for you.

He’ll make a rather handsome salary via NIL at ND. What he won’t get is a signing bonus. That is the distinction. That NIL Braden Lenzy, a fringe starter, said he enjoys or the UA deals for him and Tyree, another fringe starter didn’t come from nowhere. Nor did the whips Joseph and Hart drive around.

FSU has had success with transfer DL and even when they were bad still developed DL to the NFL. They probably also have a real shot for the first time in some time at the ACC next year. They aren’t a completely bananas competition for reasons besides NIL. Will that put them over the top? Maybe. But let’s not act like the offer is a million dollars versus zero.

 

[Bluto]

He’ll make a rather handsome salary via NIL at ND. What he won’t get is a signing bonus. That is the distinction. That NIL Braden Lenzy, a fringe starter, said he enjoys or the UA deals for him and Tyree, another fringe starter didn’t come from nowhere. Nor did the whips Joseph and Hart drive around.

FSU has had success with transfer DL and even when they were bad still developed DL to the NFL. They probably also have a real shot for the first time in some time at the ACC next year. They aren’t a completely bananas competition for reasons besides NIL. Will that put them over the top? Maybe. But let’s not act like the offer is a million dollars versus zero.

Exactly. Those distinctions along with the demonstrable benefit of being an ND alum/connections would in my opinion resonate much more with a 24/25 year old than a 17 year old high schooler.

 

[texbender]

0.0% surprised. Most top level transfers want a significant financial commitment and most schools with collectives are prepared to give it.

I don't care about NIL for HS players... being able to land top level transfers is what will make or break ND.

Agree, would be a bummer to lose out on a quality player at a position of need. Seems like quality transfers like Fiske are particularly set up to shop themselves to quality programs and collect a nice paycheck before moving on to the next level. If I'm 21-22 years old with a fat bank account, stopping in Tallahassee or LA can't be a bad choice. ND being "different" will only allow for these types of players to be lost to the competition, on top of those 17-18 year olds that you will be losing out on. Until rules are in place and enforced, NIL has put ND at a competitive disadvantage.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Need to land this kid if we plan to hang with Ohio State may need another DE can’t expect guys who didn’t even get snaps to step up

 

[knight2017]

Loy update out on latest - can’t give the temperature here now that my sub is lapsed.

 

[fightingirish26]

It's what you expect. Major L.

 

[notredomer23]

This is why no one should expect Hartman.

 

[knight2017]

If this becomes a pattern it won’t be good. Stacking the class with 4 stars is step one, but step two to win is filling in gaps with transfers. On paper sounded like this guy should have been all ND.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Embarrassing Michigan is cleaning up on the portal and will have another top 2-3 team and we can’t even land a kid whose 15 minutes down the road

 

[MacIrish75]

USC’s pitch: “Close to home? You know we play IN South Bend next year, right?”

 

[NDFAN2008]

So what’s the reason here?

 

[CanadalovesND]

Need to land this kid if we plan to hang with Ohio State may need another DE can’t expect guys who didn’t even get snaps to step up

But that is how programs are run. Starters move on, and the next group of youngsters rise up.

Adding pieces from the transfer portal will be important for ND to fill some holes and/or upgrade at certain positions, but developing home grown talent will always be pinnacle to any measure of success at ND.

It’s similar to the NFL. Most franchises build through the draft and develop. Free Agency, like the transfer portal, is used to add a big name name players or add depth pieces. Each team is different in their philosophy.

But, I do agree to your original point. ND can’t be stagnant in this new era of college football. They can’t be on the outside looking in.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Singer is saying that Fiske is going to FSU.

 

[stlnd01]

But that is how programs are run. Starters move on, and the next group of youngsters rise up.

Adding pieces from the transfer portal will be important for ND to fill some holes and/or upgrade at certain positions, but developing home grown talent will always be pinnacle to any measure of success at ND.

It’s similar to the NFL. Most franchises build through the draft and develop. Free Agency, like the transfer portal, is used to add a big name name players or add depth pieces. Each team is different in their philosophy.

But, I do agree to your original point. ND can’t be stagnant in this new era of college football. They can’t be on the outside looking in.

In general I agree completely. I’d rather we develop our own players, over time. You know what you have and it helps with cohesion and culture, which matters a lot in this sport. Personally I don’t think the teams that rely heavily on the portal are going to be able to sustain any success they might have.

That said, most years there are going to be three or four spots where a grad transfer is going to be pretty valuable for us. This year one of those is DL. And the fact that we seemingly can’t land a high-quality DL from just up the road b/c we’re being outbid by FSU and USC - if that’s indeed what’s going on here - is pretty troubling. That has to change, at least with grad transfers, or we’re going to seriously hamstring ourselves.