??????? CB is one of our strengths going forward. Crawford, Watkins, Pride, Love, Vaughan. A deep talented group.
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??????? CB is one of our strengths going forward. Crawford, Watkins, Pride, Love, Vaughan. A deep talented group.
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Without going through and comparing them one by one, all I'll say is Graham is on a different level than anyone on the current roster. ND needs 2 Thomas Graham's every 3 cycles, supplemented with what ND currently has in house.
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You mean Crawford who missed all of last year and most of this year with injuries?
Watkins who has very little experience and missed this year?
The other 3 are freshmen who have played pretty well but in a very small sample sizes.
To me CB is our third biggest need only trailing S and anyone who can rush the passer. Also Graham is very highly rated and NDCrusader said "when you consider ranking and need".
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Yep .....due to injuries and lapses in recruiting, DB depth and quality is still a major issue.
I disagree with what you are saying. Graham is a top 50 player in the country and would be the best corner we have landed since??????
Crawford never healthy and is really a nickel back
Watkins who knows if he will ever be ready to roll 100%
Pride is gonna be a good one
Love has shown flashes but he's not on Grahams level
Vaughn could be a good one but I question his downfield speed and getting in and out of breaks with how big he is.
Graham is a step on the field and play right away guy, he's a damn good corner and would be ND's most talented player in the secondary right away if he land him.
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I feel you know NDFB as well as anyone I know especially recruiting-wise so your words make me very stoked about our potential Corner/nickel situation going forward. Vaughn, Watkins, Crawford, Love (my guess is he ends up the best of the bunch by year 4), Pride, Graham, Hicks, Adebo........that is nuts! Loads of talent. LOADS of talent and of all styles, speeds, tendencies and sizes.
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Crawford isn't a nickel back. He can play outside and he's damn good at it. He proved that before the injury. You obviously haven't paid much attention to Vaughan. As Todd Lyght has said he will be an elite corner by JR. year. He has excellent hip flexibility for a kid his size. Your statement on Love is absurd. Graham is not a top 50 player. 68 by Rivals, 76 by Scout and 101 by 247 which is a drop of 21 spots from where they had him earlier this season.
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Kid is a really good prospect and that's where the conversation should end. I hope he balls out early, if not, he'll be good in the long run.
Love the player, he's going to need some college muscle. Long wiry prospect. Huge get if true.
Love the player, he's going to need some college muscle. Long wiry prospect. Huge get if true.
Ok, top 75 player so wait two years and hope for Vaughn to become that? He's playing playing good for a true freshman. Crawford at 5'9 maybe 5'10 best spot is in the nickel. How is my statement on Love absurd??
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I know your question wasnt to me but I just thought I'd chime in as I've been paying a lot of attention to our db situation. I agree Crawford did well outside but I totally think he's better suited at nickel long term. My opinion is that nickel is more important than either corner positions. Just look at how we have Luke, our 3 year starter, playing Nickel right now. Also, I don't think what you said about Love is absurd at all. With all due respect though, I'd say he's shown more than just flashes. He displays very good instincts especially but also consistent good coverage and tackling. All that being said, I'd say Graham will be at a higher level day one at ND than any of our TF corners did day one THIS year. Graham's film and talent certainly warrants either a top 75 or top 50 ranking. Kid is like glue.
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Nothing new. He likes Notre Dame a lot, and so do his parents. Keeps in frequent contact with the coaching staff. Plans to announce in December.
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Get Graham and the future Defensive backfield would be a great selling point to perspective DC's.
Biggins thinks top 3 are Zona, ND and UCLA. Zona's year hurt them worse than the others. Most likely early Dec annoucement
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A lot of moaning about Rich Rod here in AZ. If they didn't owe him $8M, he'd be gone. If next year is like this one, they'll pay him $5M to leave. Hopefully something is up with Donte Williams. He's the DB coach working SoCal that has Greg Johnson and Thomas Graham. Maybe they'll see the problems in Tucson and don't care about the problems in South Bend?
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Bartow put in a CB for Arizona and Wiltfong put a "cloudy"...
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Obviously, winning isn't a part of the equation if he ends up at Arizona. They are even worse than ND is right now, 2-8.
Not only that, but a majority of their losses are blowouts and utter embarrassments. Though ND has some terrible losses (because they weren't good teams), they are getting completely destroyed.
Margin of defeat:
UCLA - 21
Utah - 13
USC - 34
Stan - 24
Wazzu - 62
Colorado - 25
Combined that is a -179 over 6 games.
This isn't me making a case that ND is good, just illustrating how shitty Arizona is right now and this would have zero to do with winning, if he chose them.
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That 5 minute conversation it would take could be the difference between us winning and losing these football games
Smart plan .... Smh
It's more about all the other players they're going after to close this class and looking ahead to 2018. Arizona probably would have little to no chance of beating out ND for Graham if they were having a better season.
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The U of A staff is telling him and Greg Johnson they will play from day 1. They will both start next year at some point. There's not a lot of talent in the 3 deep. Add to that it's an easy 6 hour drive across the desert back home or a $59, 45 minute flight. Weather's great except for training camp and the first month of the season. Lastly, Donte Williams is a star recruiter.
You wanna fix BK's problems... hire Jimmy Lake of Washington to be the DC and Donte Williams to be recruiting coordinator and assist with DB's and ST's.
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Graham had a 72 yard Int Return for TD to seal their upset victory over Mission Viejo last night. Dude can fly!
Next up Mater Dei for them.
Next up Mater Dei for them.
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I'm sure a phone call would be helpful every now and then, but if it's us and Arizona and he's not committing until December, I don't think this is the worst strategy. I assume the morning after the USC game, BK and Todd Lyght will get up, victorious, and drive the 45 minutes to this kid's house and be waiting outside with breakfast for him.
And then he'll make the right choice.
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He won't be hosting Brian Kelly. Unless Brian Kelly gets a new job before the new year.
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