'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[pkt77242]

Release denied by ND..will appeal

You are just a little behind.

 

[loomis41973]

Not much else needs to be said.

 

[koonja]

Not much else needs to be said.

Seriously, do you have a source? As in, it's official?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Hopkins from 247 talked to his dad but didn't glean much as to what the riff is about. He speculated that it could have been a missing class or test that ND wasn't upfront about originally but again just speculating. EV does only want to go to UCLA and there is virtually no chance he ends up at ND. He is willing to sit out a year just to not go to ND. Also mentioned that ND has zero intentions of letting him out of his LOI.

 

[Anchorman]

nevermind...

 

[Irish8248]

Hopkins from 247 talked to his dad but didn't glean much as to what the riff is about. He speculated that it could have been a missing class or test that ND wasn't upfront about originally but again just speculating. EV does only want to go to UCLA and there is virtually no chance he ends up at ND. He is willing to sit out a year just to not go to ND. Also mentioned that ND has zero intentions of letting him out of his LOI.

these kind of decisions tend to not work out for the player... He will be nearly two years removed from his last meaningful game before hes allowed to participate. Too each his own i guess

 

[Irishman77]

So....2014

Romeo. Ishaq. Day. Tuitt. Jaylon


We will be A okay...hope other high school kids take note of what a dumb move this was for young eddie.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Hopkins from 247 talked to his dad but didn't glean much as to what the riff is about. He speculated that it could have been a missing class or test that ND wasn't upfront about originally but again just speculating. EV does only want to go to UCLA and there is virtually no chance he ends up at ND. He is willing to sit out a year just to not go to ND. Also mentioned that ND has zero intentions of letting him out of his LOI.

I'd bet it's a missing class. Say... EV found out he'll have to take summer school after he signed his LOI, balks and wants to go to UCLA now. That he's prepared to just eat the penalty for breaking his LOI still boggles my mind though.

If that's the case, we may be better off without him. As I mentioned previously, being a student athlete at ND isn't easy; bailing at the first sign of adversity doesn't bode well for his future development.

Edit: I'd love to know what kind of flexibility Kelly is getting with admissions. Several of our insiders have mentioned it, and he's clearly getting some marginal kids past admissions (see: Tee Shepard), but to lose a 5 DL over a couple missing credits... Does he get slack on GPA and test scores, but not on core class requirements?

Hoping it was something more serious than a foreign language class.

 

[Irishman77]

I'd bet it's a missing class. Say... EV found out he'll have to take summer school after he signed his LOI, balks and wants to go to UCLA now. That he's prepared to just eat the penalty for breaking his LOI still boggles my mind though.

If that's the case, we may be better off without him. As I mentioned previously, being a student athlete at ND isn't easy; bailing at the first sign of adversity doesn't bode well for his future development.

Yep, but doesn't it seem so many recruits hit a road block with a missing class? What are we doing wrong?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

So....2014

Romeo. Ishaq. Day. Tuitt. Jaylon


We will be A okay...hope other high school kids take note of what a dumb move this was for young eddie.

You cray if you think Tuitt will stay for his senior year.

 

[pkt77242]

You cray if you think Tuitt will stay for his senior year.

Tuitt is going to do what Moma Tuitt wants. If she says go pro, he goes, if she says stay in school, he will stay in school.

 

[Luckylucci]

And Ishaq isnt' an every down 3-4 DE. Jarron Jones is the guy we need to step up into that spot. Him or Rochell seem most likely.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd bet it's a missing class. Say... EV found out he'll have to take summer school after he signed his LOI, balks and wants to go to UCLA now. That he's prepared to just eat the penalty for breaking his LOI still boggles my mind though.

If that's the case, we may be better off without him. As I mentioned previously, being a student athlete at ND isn't easy; bailing at the first sign of adversity doesn't bode well for his future development.

Edit: I'd love to know what kind of flexibility Kelly is getting with admissions. Several of our insiders have mentioned it, and he's clearly getting some marginal kids past admissions (see: Tee Shepard), but to lose a 5 DL over a couple missing credits... Does he get slack on GPA and test scores, but not on core class requirements?

Hoping it was something more serious than the foreign language requirement.

If the coaches and admin didn't tell him about a requirement, or failed to look deep enough.... well that's just sloppy. I'd be PO'd too.... not enought to bail, but I would not be a happy camper.

 

[Irishman77]

I m not cray....your cray man....cray, cray cray....

In all seriousness is that slang for crazy?

 

[rikkitikki08]

This will go down as one of the greatest threads for all the wrong reasons. Its an instant classic, sort of like waterworld or gigli

 

[DillonHall]

Tuitt is going to do what Moma Tuitt wants. If she says go pro, he goes, if she says stay in school, he will stay in school.

If this is the case, I sure hope she's not stupid

 

[Irish YJ]

Tuitt is going to do what Moma Tuitt wants. If she says go pro, he goes, if she says stay in school, he will stay in school.

I really hope you are right. My opinion though.... Yes, this worked as a 17/18 year old kid that is a star recruit, but with unknown ceiling. Not sure it will work now with a 21 year old kid who is a bonafide first rounder with millions of dollars on the line. And who says he won't have his degree by then? Anyone know.

 

[Luckylucci]

If the coaches and admin didn't tell him about a requirement, or failed to look deep enough.... well that's just sloppy. I'd be PO'd too.... not enought to bail, but I would not be a happy camper.

I agree, not being happy is one thing but then to pull this crap is ridiculous.

 

[Luckylucci]

I really hope you are right. My opinion though.... Yes, this worked as a 17/18 year old kid that is a star recruit, but with unknown ceiling. Not sure it will work now with a 21 year old kid who is a bonafide first rounder with millions of dollars on the line. And who says he won't have his degree by then? Anyone know.

Usually its set up for them to finish after 1st semester senior year so that can train for the combine. Don't know if I've ever heard of anybody doing it sooner.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If this is the case, I sure hope she's not stupid

I won't call her stupid, but agree that most parents would do a backflip if their child had a job that paid 7 figures to do what they love, and have the clout to be a role model for kids all over the country.

 

[DillonHall]

If the ND staff was misleading in any way, they should just release EV.

 

[Irishman77]

Combine and draft are moved a month to allow more time going fwd.

 

[pkt77242]

I really hope you are right. My opinion though.... Yes, this worked as a 17/18 year old kid that is a star recruit, but with unknown ceiling. Not sure it will work now with a 21 year old kid who is a bonafide first rounder with millions of dollars on the line. And who says he won't have his degree by then? Anyone know.

If it was before the rookie cap I would agree, but now with the rookie cap, the real big payday is the 2nd contract not the first. Yes, you can miss out on money, but not like back then when the difference might be 30-40 million dollars.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If the ND staff was misleading in any way, they should just release EV.

No win situation. Cut bait, and every program is going to be livid at ND, hold him accountable, ND somehow becomes the villain here no matter how miniscule the eff up was, if there even was one.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If the coaches and admin didn't tell him about a requirement, or failed to look deep enough.... well that's just sloppy. I'd be PO'd too.... not enought to bail, but I would not be a happy camper.

It would definitely explain the hard feelings from Eddie's camp. I wish I knew more about how the staff goes about vetting the high school transcripts of recruits. For some (like Clifton Garrett), we hear very early on that academics are an issue, and the staff wisely looks elsewhere.

But then we get the Shepard fiasco. How did he manage to EE and start taking classes before his transcript problems were discovered? And there were apparently major problems, as he couldn't even pass the NCAA clearinghouse, let alone ND admissions.

And now something similar seems to have happened with Vanderdoes. Was it simply an oversight by the staff? By ND Admissions? By his high school? There's so much riding on those transcripts, but the process appears to be wildly unpredictable from one recruit to another.

 

[Irishcop]

nevermind...

Ha, me too.

 

[dwshade]

I really hope you are right. My opinion though.... Yes, this worked as a 17/18 year old kid that is a star recruit, but with unknown ceiling. Not sure it will work now with a 21 year old kid who is a bonafide first rounder with millions of dollars on the line. And who says he won't have his degree by then? Anyone know.

He's on track to graduate December 2014. So he could play his SR. year, graduate in Dec., then start preparing for the combine and draft. His mom works for the Gwinnett Sheriff's Dept. here in the Atlanta area and is bullish on education. The degree is most important to her. Strong lady who has raised her kids well.

OLB C.J. Mosley- Alabama
OT Taylor Lewan-Michigan
OT Jake Matthews- Texas A@M

These three players could have gone in top 10-15 (or higher) is April's draft. But they all returned to school to get their degree. Several kids every year choose to do the same.

 

[DCIrish]

ND should have done a better job of recruiting DL in the 2012 and 2013 classes. If they did then the potential loss of Tuitt and Nix next year wouldn't be as bad. Only 4 DL in the past two classes is not how you build a championship team.

 

[phork]

He's on track to graduate December 2014. So he could play his SR. year, graduate in Dec., then start preparing for the combine and draft. His mom works for the Gwinnett Sheriff's Dept. here in the Atlanta area and is bullish on education. The degree is most important to her. Strong lady who has raised her kids well.

OLB C.J. Mosley- Alabama
OT Taylor Lewan-Michigan
OT Jake Matthews- Texas A@M

These three players could have gone in top 10-15 (or higher) is April's draft. But they all returned to school to get their degree. Several kids every year choose to do the same.

Yes they stayed. Was it for the degree or unfinished business on the field?

 

[pkt77242]

ND should have done a better job of recruiting DL in the 2012 and 2013 classes. If they did then the potential loss of Tuitt and Nix next year wouldn't be as bad. Only 4 DL in the past two classes is not how you build a championship team.

Um I count 5 signed and 6 if Okwara grows into a DL. (Matuska, Vanderdoes, Rochell, Jones, and Day). Unless you are already subtracting Vanderdoes?