'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)
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There will be someone else next year. It's a long line of guys that will just never satisfy certain posters:
Dayne
Tommy
Mathias
Cam
Joe
Next year it will be someone like Corey Robinson.
BabyIrish
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My guess is Greer Martini
Yes, where is THE PLAYER development?
Let's put the emphasis where it belongs.
Kizer was #3 QB in the Spring. He didn't take the #1 snaps in pre-season camp but when injury forced him on the field ... he set an ND All - Time Record for QB Rushing TDs.
Prosise was a cross training at RB in Spring Bal, a distant #3 RB, an academic casualty and an injury opening day forced him into a starting role ... in his first season as a RB he ran for over 1,000 yds.
Adams was NOT on the roster in Spring Ball. Had he been, he would have been 4th String. An academic RB casualty and two injuries forced him to play as a true freshman ... he responded with an All - Time ND Freshman RB Rushing Record.
"Fans" have grumbled that "the backups don't get to play!", oblivious to the fact that ND STARTED 38 different players. According to ND.com that's believed to be an another All-Time record. And that doesn't include all the limping wounded like Day that still played and still excelled. The backups' backups got to play wherever they were capable of handling the job. ND had 3 deep players starting games.
According to ND.com ND lead the nation in big plays over 70 years ... never happened before. Another ND record ... And The Irish weere multi-dimensional, they did it BOTH Rushing AND Passing.
ND suffered an incredible loss of talent ed, veteran PT, enough to fold most teams, like Oregon folded tonight ... but they still can with two plays of playing in the Playoffs.
"10-3 isn't good enough!" "We embarrassed ourselves!" "The players were flat most of the season." "Kelly and the coaching staff can't motivate!" BULLSHIT!
The 3 losses were all to teams that will finish in the Top 5. They didn't play Division 1aa, Div II or Div III teams like Rockne did to soften his schedule. They didn't stay out on the practice field until 9 at night using car headlights to see like Leahy's Lads did ... until they got it right. There weren't 120 players like Ara had to win a NC using the depth to absorb the injuries to Eddy, Hanratty, Goeddecke, and others against Bubba Smith and the Spartans in '66. Kelly didn't have anywhere near the scholarship complement of 85. He had more like 65 serviceable players and discounting the red-shirt freshman, more like 55 game available players. Anyone who takes the time to check the game logs will see of those able played contrary to the whining.
The coaches are to be complimented for their on the fly development in the face of constant adjustments replacing player casualties and the players are to be commended for their resilence in literally growing up each week as someone went down and stepping in as the next man in.
It was a remarkable season ... in spite of the usual trolls.
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BGIF has spoken. So it shall be written, so it shall be done. Reps.
DillonHall
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BGIF, note that all of your examples (Kizer, Prosise, Adams) play offense. The problem is on the other side of the ball
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It amazed me how small Joe looked next to the other players, especially OSU's, during the coin toss.
FightingIrishLover7
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Lol at you.
When did I ever imply that I want to sacrifice integrity for a national championship?
I will take 10 win seasons year after year, if this is the best we can do.
But, I truly believe we can't compete with players that don't have to worry a damn bit about their academics.
Notre Dame is playing against football factories.
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Yeah, that Jerry Tillery guy sucked, didn't he?
And those corners that they threw in; Butler and Watkins? Both of them got torched on every play, right? They looked lost out there, don't you think? Daniel Cage? He certainly looked like 3* talent out there. I think BGIF's point was specifically about player development, and that there has been plenty of it. It has been decidedly more pronounced on the offensive side of the ball, but that doesn't mean that there has been NONE on the defensive side.
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Schmidt? Schmidt was a senior. Why would he get a draft grade?
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According to CBSSports draft rankings which were last updated on 12/30, he is ranked as the #276 overall player, #13 MLB and projected as a 7th round pick or UDFA.
I would imagine thats on par with most other services/teams.
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Honestly surprised it's that good.
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Butler? What did he do this year? Watkins was ok at best- despite playing way too far off the line most of the game, he got beaten twice but got away with it both times. Cage does look like a 3 star out there- he's ok and makes some plays but is hardly a difference maker. And Tillery was just a great recruit who was impressive during his first spring practice- I'd give his HS coaches more credit than the defensive staff at ND.
The offense has had as many significant injuries as the defense, but the replacements on one side of the ball have thrived while the others have been nondescript fill-ins.
So why is that?
Poor recruiting? Ill-fitting scheme? Is the defensive system too hard to learn? Inadequate player development?
Kelly gets paid the big bucks to figure this out, so he better come up with solutions after two straight bad years.
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kmoose
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There is a HUGE jump from High School to major DI-A college football. No matter HOW good your High School league was. To have these 3* guys out there ready to compete shows some player development. It's not what I would call a TREMENDOUS job of player development, but it certainly shows that player development IS happening on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe the guys who AREN'T developing are not developing because they are not following the program that the staff has laid out for them?
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I also was a little surprised. WalterFootball doesn't have him ranked in the Top 32 of his position so, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Not surprised.
Somehow everyone seems to give Joe glowing reviews. His narrative gives him more points, for whatever reason.
I mean, just look at TV commentators. I don't think he ever played a game where they didn't drool over his story.
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Everyone loves an underdog story...until it becomes your starting MLB.
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This will ruffle some feathers around here... Enjoy!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hard to say anything else than most likely the best game of his career... <a href="https://t.co/Q0n2AxMaTM">https://t.co/Q0n2AxMaTM</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/status/684460360422801408">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These are interesting stat breakdowns. Joe Schmidt credited with 15 tackles and didn't miss a single stop. <a href="https://t.co/SpCnsbJaPV">https://t.co/SpCnsbJaPV</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/684459578587779072">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hard to say anything else than most likely the best game of his career... <a href="https://t.co/Q0n2AxMaTM">https://t.co/Q0n2AxMaTM</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/status/684460360422801408">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These are interesting stat breakdowns. Joe Schmidt credited with 15 tackles and didn't miss a single stop. <a href="https://t.co/SpCnsbJaPV">https://t.co/SpCnsbJaPV</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/684459578587779072">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt missed 27% of his tackle attempts during regular season, but was 15-for-15 vs Ohio State <a href="https://t.co/kNfiF8Omva">https://t.co/kNfiF8Omva</a></p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/684462434812178433">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Joe has declared that he will pass on a chance to get drafted in the 15th round of the NFL Draft and come back for a post-grad year at the University of ND.
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Well, if you believe that, then you have to believe the numbers they put out on him earlier in the season. Really glad he was able to finish his season on a high note. Glad he responded to this adversity, losing Jaylon, with his career game. Congrats Mr. Schmidt!
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He tried kicking back, but missed.
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Didn't miss a single stop? I guess they don't count getting bowled over by Elliott as a missed tackle. I re-watched the game and saw at least 2 or 3 times he either couldn't bring him down or just flat out ran straight into the blocker.
Regardless though, it's a moot point. Good for him for actually playing a decent game. We can all move on.
Regardless though, it's a moot point. Good for him for actually playing a decent game. We can all move on.
FightingIrishLover7
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Also, how did Kelly stand in front of the media, week after week, and say that Joe receives high grades during film breakdown.
What metrics does he use?
Because to me, 27 percent seems like an awfully high missed tackle percentage.
What metrics does he use?
Because to me, 27 percent seems like an awfully high missed tackle percentage.
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If true, that is a very high number. Also, as we've discussed on here before. I think we should take what the staff was saying about Schmidt with a grain of salt. I don't think he was grading out that high and they knew that but it was a chemistry and leadership thing.
Side note, this could be total BS but as we have or had some posters that are connected with players during their time on campus. There is a poster at 247 that is friends with some of the players and said that this really started to eat away at the defensive locker room. He said that the Schmidt/BVG scenario was the object of angst. TIFWIW, could be total BS.