'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

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I don't see him sticking around at all. O'Malley mentioned yesterday he probably has to go as well. 4-5 mil might get him to think about it, but 1st round grades are hard to pass up.
 

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I believe he will be a top 5 pick because there are a lot of QB needy bad teams. Miami, Indianapolis, Philadelphia could decide to make a move towards the future, the Jets, Its not out of the question that Arizona would look to draft an upgrade to Beck if they don't think he's the future, Tampa Bay, Cleveland.
 

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For some reason the drafnicks are talking about Carr's arm talent somehow lacking, which is a joke. He's not Josh Allen but he absolutely drives throws to the boundry with ease.
 

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For some reason the drafnicks are talking about Carr's arm talent somehow lacking, which is a joke. He's not Josh Allen but he absolutely drives throws to the boundry with ease.
Whose arm do you think Carr compares to best? I've heard Dak and I'm starting to see it.
 

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I believe he will be a top 5 pick because there are a lot of QB needy bad teams. Miami, Indianapolis, Philadelphia could decide to make a move towards the future, the Jets, Its not out of the question that Arizona would look to draft an upgrade to Beck if they don't think he's the future, Tampa Bay, Cleveland.
No knock on CJ, but QBs are always going to be overvalued in the draft. 2 years ago Penix, McCarthy, and Nix all went in the top 12. This was supposed to be a deep QB class, but it is in fact going to suck again. Bias aside (to the best of my ability), CJ is the best QB prospect in this draft as a total package, but scouts might fall in love with that Mestemaker kid's traits so he might go higher.
 

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Maybe he's just been on my mind due to recent events, but in terms of downfield passing and arm strength he reminds me a bit of Kirk Cousins.
That's not a bad comp. I do think Carr has greater confidence in his arm than Cousins ever has.
 

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There is a long track record of QBs coming back for an extra year and regretting it. He is 100% going to leave if he gets the correct feedback of being a Top 10 pick.
100%

Honestly, when is the last time it's worked out if it has?
 

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Honestly, when is the last time it's worked out if it has?
Josh Allen is one case, but there's no telling where he would have went in the 2017 draft. Herbert was likely a top 10 pick in 2019 but came back for 1 more season. I guess there was some talk about Mendoza being a mid-round pick after his last season at Cal.
 

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Probably. It was the best I could come up with though. CJ is a little more mobile than he’s shown.
the way he moved around against Miami showed he has the kind of mobility that matters; he was always looking to pass not run
another trait the NFL scouts like
 

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Point blank if you believe avoiding sacks is at all a QB stat, Carr’s profile is laugh out loud good, though could be a little more aggressive

Side note CJ Bailey quietly holding it down. Poor guy lol
 

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I was looking back at Miami highlights. What’s the reasoning behind Carr throwing to receivers short of the sticks on 3rd and medium?
 

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I was looking back at Miami highlights. What’s the reasoning behind Carr throwing to receivers short of the sticks on 3rd and medium?
It's not just the Miami game.

I don't get it either, he just wants to get rid of the ball so fast. He's been sacked what twice? It's a big part of the reason why our 3rd down conversion is poor.

If you watch a lot of our 3rd and medium plays, he has a good pocket but throws it to the first available short button hook, vs waiting an extra half second where players are coming open. It's frustrating because our offense is so much better than our 3rd down conversion rate.
 

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and our 4th down conversion rate is elite and at a high pace.

we are also elite in PP drive inside the 40, because he avoids getting knocked out of field goal range.
Our third down performance isn't why our 4th down rate is elite, but it is part of why we are at far too high of a pace in attempts.

I'm all for not taking sacks/negatives, i just wonder is he not doing a good job of identifying when other teams only bring 4 and he should allow a little more time. I would bet though it's part Carr part Denbrock/Freeman.
 

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Our third down performance isn't why our 4th down rate is elite, but it is part of why we are at far too high of a pace in attempts.

I'm all for not taking sacks/negatives, i just wonder is he not doing a good job of identifying when other teams only bring 4 and he should allow a little more time. I would bet though it's part Carr part Denbrock/Freeman.

It’s interesting the perspective one can take. I see a QB that manages key downs by putting his team in winning situations that they know they can convert in.
 
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Does anyone think Carr throwing the 3rd and 10 on the first drive to Gilbert for 8 yards at midfield is not thinking we can go on 4th if I shorten this at minimum?
 

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It’s interesting the perspective one can take. I see a QB that manages key downs by pointing his team in winning situations that they know they can convert in.
I'm nitpicking, the offense is good, I just think it should be great by now. Re watching the game, the way the OL played, 31 points feels like the minimum we should have scored.

I just don't like what I see is killing drives against better teams (really two only). We tend to end a drive due to getting behind with carr throwing an ill-advised pass (not at all under pressure) on first down to a WR not even close to being open downfield and or 3rd down we really don't even try to get the first down.

Again, the offense is good, but we left a lot out there vs Miami. I think a 41 spot was easily attainable without doing anything crazy last weekend.
 

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Does anyone think Carr throwing the 3rd and 10 on the first drive to Gilbert for 8 yards at midfield is not thinking we can go on 4th if I shorten this at minimum?
That makes sense, those aren't the drive killing plays. Gilbert also had a shot to pick up the first there on that.

The 3rd and 7 our 2nd to last drive of first half. Miami rushes 4 and carr so quickly just throws it to premer, who has 2 people right behind him for 4 yds, and we punt. Greathouse is coming wide open a split second later for easy first down right in his view and there's a ton of space. We were only up 10-3 at the time, and Miami had just drove 85 yds. Momentum was shifting, and offense could have put that to bed.

The 2nd drive I think of the 3rd quarter where Carr locks in on faison and throws it into double coverage, we go 3 and out. I love the aggression, but he's under no pressure and gilbert is 1-1 and wins on a vertical on the other side.

There's just no reason in my view to be rushing a quick throw on 3rd down when they bring 4 knowing you won't get a first down, and throwing the ball away on first down when you aren't under pressure.

Good to Great.
 
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