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Can we deport the rapists to the bottom of an Ocean? They can even pick which one, I'm compassionate that way.
 
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drayer54 said:
But the crops!!!!!
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It’s an absolutely sickening video. Don’t forget, that Joe Biden purposefully flew in hundreds of thousands of animals from that shit home country. And your taxes are going to pay for them to live here. And liberal white women are going to jump in front of ICE’s cars when they go to deport this animal. And some US Judge who was born in Bangladesh is going to say it’s actually illegal to deport him and let him back out to the street.
 
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This is an often repeated talking point, sure. There are some studies that probably back it up, and there are some studies that claim the opposite. https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...s/HHRG-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf
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I’m well aware of that talking point, especially from a place like CIS it’s not unexpected. They’re not really known outside of the PragerU and MAGA-sphere as being reputable so I would caution using them as anything other than entertainment.

As has been mentioned plenty of times on here, CATO, not a progressive think tank by any stretch, says otherwise. I could go and find numerous other studies by bleeding heart types but if demons like the Koch brothers say it I can’t imagine needing others.

 
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I’m well aware of that talking point, especially from a place like CIS it’s not unexpected. They’re not really known outside of the PragerU and MAGA-sphere as being reputable so I would caution using them as anything other than entertainment.

As has been mentioned plenty of times on here, CATO, not a progressive think tank by any stretch, says otherwise. I could go and find numerous other studies by bleeding heart types but if demons like the Koch brothers say it I can’t imagine needing others.

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Libertarians have been ideologically captured by massive amounts of unfettered immigration for forever. It’s cheap labor for their corporations
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
Libertarians have been ideologically captured by massive amounts of unfettered immigration for forever. It’s cheap labor for their corporations
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At least their capitalists. MAGA and modern conservatives are ideologically more confused than furries. Can’t tell if they believe in state intervention, or free markets. Interventionist foreign policy, or nativism. Easiest way for most people is to just look at what benefits white protestants and that’s what they believe in.

I don’t actually think Facebook MAGA seniors actually have anything ground in a real position they’re just easily confused by AI slop from random Indian guys feeding them racist shit.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
This is an often repeated talking point, sure. There are some studies that probably back it up, and there are some studies that claim the opposite. https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...s/HHRG-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf
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To be clear:

- Your referenced published study is referring to ILLEGAL Immigrants, although sure, their US-born Citizens, also poor, then help the greater family to collect means-tested programs and other government services
- Immigrants without legal status per the article have never received SNAP benefits
- The approximately 16,000 lawfully-present (i.e., LEGAL) immigrants in Illinois, including refugees, asylees, and victims of trafficking or domestic violence, are losing Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits effective April 1, 2026, stem from federal eligibility changes per the passing of the One BBB tax bill that now restricts access for these populations
- It's a valid debate and discussion around reforms such as minimum monthly work hours for benefits, etc., but these benefits are being completely cut except for only a handful of certain green-card holders, Cuban and Haitian entrants, and those residing under the Compact of Free Association, among other categories of lawfully permanent residents
- And how about the debate about increasing economic opportunities for legal immigrants as well as those for low-income, uneducated U.S.-born citizens? Sure, it's not good that 69% of illegal immigrants have no education beyond High School and I'm sure it's largely the same for legal immigrants, but what about the 35% of U.S.-born citizens who presumably have the same net-negative fiscal impact to the country (taxes paid minus benefits received)? This is a big problem for the country overall; and let's not even talk about the insane, all-time high levels of income inequality and lack of opportunity to get ahead for ANYONE in this low-income, uneducated class of society
- And sure, it's a reasonable debate from an economic standpoint to ensure that this net-negative fiscal impact population doesn't get out of hand by making sure immigration doesn't get out of hand
- Let's not forget that these poor uneducated and low-income immigrants take jobs that U.S.-born citizens (including many poor ones) will not take
- But again where is the economic growth stimulus portion of this challenge by the admin? This admin is doing nothing but cutting benefits and killing entrepreneurial opportunities and job growth; instead, he's aggrandizing his cronies via grift, extorting those in power (Top legal firms, top corporations, and 4th-branch media) for even more $, and overall making his family and friends a lot richer to the detriment of low-income and middle classes. Metaphorically speaking, with this admin it's "with a rising tide (for a select, favored few), most other boats are simultaneously sunk!"
- Where is the stimulus to help drive the growth of these classes? And no, don't tell me about the resource-sucking, very limited job-generating AI data center boom; DCs are not popular with most in the U.S. Where's the growth story for these classes? There is none because Trump and his admin don't care about them

More than 16,000 immigrants in Illinois may lose food assistance in the coming months
 
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Nobody buys the asylum/refugee bullshit anymore. Loopholes treated like a Swallwell staffer at happy hour. Time for the pendulum to swing the other way, if you don't like it then you shouldn't have promoted the exploitation of the US "immigration" system for decades.

Cute thing about "net contributing" illegals (of which I include abusers of asylum/refugee loopholes) - lower the denominator by deporting the dregs who are in the system first. We are stuck with loser neckbeards and meth mom citizens - why act like it's a flex to be less dependent than the biggest losers?
 
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Local fraud ring using Catholic Charities NIL to target illegals. Don't see news reports on grandmas targeted like that.

I do wonder how Catholic Charities would take it if I offered to pay flights for self deportees? I bet it would cost a lot less to follow the law than to fight it.
 
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Yes. Keep injecting a high 80% welfare population so we can grow stronger. Thank you.
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One of the things the left does when it comes to illegals and welfare and whether they are a net plus or minus to the system, is to only count official welfare type programs, such as EBT, free housing, and etc. What they studiously avoid addressing is all the other financial strain they put on the system. Millions of illegal aliens add a significant amount of financial strain to the school system, the court & police systems, medical care and the hospital systems (and most have no insurance), extra strain on our infrastructure through significantly more use of such, extra use of emergency services such as fire & ambulance, and so on. There's a LOT more financial strain they add to the system than just the few official welfare type things.
 
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One of the things the left does when it comes to illegals and welfare and whether they are a net plus or minus to the system, is to only count official welfare type programs, such as EBT, free housing, and etc. What they studiously avoid addressing is all the other financial strain they put on the system. Millions of illegal aliens add a significant amount of financial strain to the school system, the court & police systems, medical care and the hospital systems (and most have no insurance), extra strain on our infrastructure through significantly more use of such, extra use of emergency services such as fire & ambulance, and so on. There's a LOT more financial strain they add to the system than just the few official welfare type things.
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ESL resources take away from EFL citizens. Why am I paying for my own demise?
 
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At this point I think there’s zero reason any Chinese citizen should be admitted to our universities or allowed unsurveilled into our country
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Yeah and Canada should close the borders to the US because of the guns flowing in. Very normal opinions to have from grown adults. Shutting your doors to the largest country in the world isn’t something anyone that isn’t in a padded room would consider.
 
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Yeah and Canada should close the borders to the US because of the guns flowing in. Very normal opinions to have from grown adults. Shutting your doors to the largest country in the world isn’t something anyone that isn’t in a padded room would consider.
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Your opinions of US immigration policy carry zero weight, but this is really dumb.

First, if you think the guns flowing into Canada from the US are a big problem, wait till you get the South American drug cartels, human traffickers, and all their friends flowing in by the millions within a few years.

Second, the US could shut its doors to all Chinese immigrants tomorrow and nothing here would change.

Last, these Chinese "students" are trying to smuggle illegal pathogens into the US. It's like you were born last year and have no recollection of Covid's origin or where it came from. Good Lord.
 
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Your opinions of US immigration policy carry zero weight, but this is really dumb.

First, if you think the guns flowing into Canada from the US are a big problem, wait till you get the South American drug cartels, human traffickers, and all their friends flowing in by the millions within a few years.

Second, the US could shut its doors to all Chinese immigrants tomorrow and nothing here would change.

Last, these Chinese "students" are trying to smuggle illegal pathogens into the US. It's like you were born last year and have no recollection of Covid's origin or where it came from. Good Lord.
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Great, so I expect you to not comment on any foreign policy decisions by anyone outside of the US. See how stupid that sounds?

I was saying that as a joke because of how retarded it is to turn away an entire population because of a minority of bad actors.

Pre-Covid Chinese tourists were bringing 30B to the economy annually. Maybe they aren’t visiting rural PA so you don’t think it impacts the economy.

I’m not defending them? Skin them alive, I do not care about people caught doing any of this. But if you and Virginia are scared of some random Chinese tourist coming to spend a week in NYC to visit 5th avenue maybe you shouldn’t leave your house because there’s much scarier things out there.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:


At this point I think there’s zero reason any Chinese citizen should be admitted to our universities or allowed unsurveilled into our country
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Last, these Chinese "students" are trying to smuggle illegal pathogens into the US. It's like you were born last year and have no recollection of Covid's origin or where it came from. Good Lord.
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The FBI has said it has about 2,500 active counterintelligence cases, related to China.

A U.S. House Homeland Security report identified 60+ espionage or repression cases in just the past ~4 years across multiple states. A broader study found 224 reported espionage incidents since 2000.
 
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