Kurt “The Truth” Cignetti

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How big can his ego be to sit by this long to get a decent head coaching gig? James Madison? That’s an insult when he took the job. Then he settles for lowly Indiana. Rutgers wasn’t hiring? He has made the most of his opportunities and he should have been coaching a much better team much sooner. The portal and NIL has suited him very well and he is a solid coach with balls and discipline. Bottom line is we are 1-9 against him. Better than anyone else he has played while at Indiana. Last team to beat (crush) them. He gets the most out of what he has.
 

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Who is the first team since ND to beat IU?


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With no OOC game to boost the schedule, tough to believe they get in at 10-2 if we stay at 12. Lot of unknowns with Michigan and Washington. USC should be a fringe top 10 team imo. Ducked us at the wrong time funny enough.
 

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Apparently he doesn't practice on the field as much as other coaches. Could that explain the lack of injuries? It seemed like a lot of the big injuries last year happened in camp.
 

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it was an excellent season for Cig, and can’t be diminished. But the reason it’s so hard to figure out how they could be championship-level so fast, is because championship-level is clearly lower in the NIL era.

In the past, 2-3 schools collected all the 5-stars and dominated with overwhelming talent advantage. They were paying their players and had other advantages that the rest of football didn’t.

NIL has brought potential parity for those willing to spend and smart in how they do it. It’s a different sport now, and Indiana and Cig were the first to crack the code. ND really isn’t far behind at all, IMO.
 

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The absurdity of what Cignetti has done at Indiana probably doesn't happen in the pre Covid era before NIL and The Portal. It simply would not have been plausible. It's barely plausible in this era now when you consider how quickly this all happened.

I don't know if this is sustainable and what IU Football looks like going forward. You could argue that maybe he won one too soon ala Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops, but again, these are much different times. Part of me is sitting here thinking when ND makes another deep playoff run, their paths are going to cross with IU again. I'm actually looking forward to it.
 

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The absurdity of what Cignetti has done at Indiana probably doesn't happen in the pre Covid era before NIL and The Portal. It simply would not have been plausible. It's barely plausible in this era now when you consider how quickly this all happened.

I don't know if this is sustainable and what IU Football looks like going forward. You could argue that maybe he won one too soon ala Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops, but again, these are much different times. Part of me is sitting here thinking when ND makes another deep playoff run, their paths are going to cross with IU again. I'm actually looking forward to it.

I think Indiana will need to take a big step forward in recruiting/developing high school kids.

There isn't going to be sixth year dudes anymore and fifth year seniors are will probably harder to come by too
 

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Apparently he doesn't practice on the field as much as other coaches. Could that explain the lack of injuries? It seemed like a lot of the big injuries last year happened in camp.

Not practicing typically leads to sloppy tackling and techniques.

Not to take away what they’ve accomplished and with who, but It’s got to be cheating of some kind. It’s just unbelievable.
 

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Not practicing typically leads to sloppy tackling and techniques.

Not to take away what they’ve accomplished and with who, but It’s got to be cheating of some kind. It’s just unbelievable.

No. There is not, never has been, and never will be, cheating in college football.
 

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it was an excellent season for Cig, and can’t be diminished. But the reason it’s so hard to figure out how they could be championship-level so fast, is because championship-level is clearly lower in the NIL era.

In the past, 2-3 schools collected all the 5-stars and dominated with overwhelming talent advantage. They were paying their players and had other advantages that the rest of football didn’t.

NIL has brought potential parity for those willing to spend and smart in how they do it. It’s a different sport now, and Indiana and Cig were the first to crack the code. ND really isn’t far behind at all, IMO.

Jamie at ISD has a criteria list that shows what all championship teams have in common in the modern playoff era. I can't recall the list off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure Indiana checked 5 of the 7 (or so) boxes, if memory serves me correctly. IU was really good this year. I don't want to diminish that. With that said, I agree that it's less likely they win it all in the prior eras where Bama, OSU, Clemson, and Georgia were absolute juggernauts. That's been ND's bad luck; to finally make a run only to get matched up against an All-Worldly team.

The absurdity of what Cignetti has done at Indiana probably doesn't happen in the pre Covid era before NIL and The Portal. It simply would not have been plausible. It's barely plausible in this era now when you consider how quickly this all happened.

I don't know if this is sustainable and what IU Football looks like going forward. You could argue that maybe he won one too soon ala Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops, but again, these are much different times. Part of me is sitting here thinking when ND makes another deep playoff run, their paths are going to cross with IU again. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Correct. The transfer portal and NIL allowed Cignetti to target his guys and go get them. He built his roster via JMU and then plugged holes with key portal additions. Pre portal and NIL era, this would've been literally impossible.

I also don't think it's sustainable, but I'm in "wait and see" mode. IU loses a gigantic amount of their roster, including their Heisman QB. It's unrealistic to think they'll reload/replace this roster and maintain the exact same high-level output as the 2025 team. Lets not forget, this same IU team almost lost to Iowa, PSU, OSU, and Miami. Without Mendoza, I think they lose all four of those games. They have another easy schedule next year, so I think seeing them in the playoffs is definitely in the cards.
 

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The only negative takeaway I have last night is....I went in thinking this IU team could hang with the 2019 LSU team....Now I'm convinced you could have combined the two teams last night and LSU still wins. I also think ND could have beat both last night. All kudos to Cig though, that was a fantastic season.
 

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Not practicing typically leads to sloppy tackling and techniques.

Not to take away what they’ve accomplished and with who, but It’s got to be cheating of some kind. It’s just unbelievable.

I think i saw a former player on Barstool say they do short practices. Maybe thats easier to do when you have a team of upperclassmen transfers you've already identified as competent players or close to finished products already.
 

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The only negative takeaway I have last night is....I went in thinking this IU team could hang with the 2019 LSU team....Now I'm convinced you could have combined the two teams last night and LSU still wins. I also think ND could have beat both last night. All kudos to Cig though, that was a fantastic season.

It's plausible a team could catch 2019 LSU napping or something but scoring more points than an offense featuring Burrow, Jefferson, Chase, and to a lesser extent, the RB...just a tall task.
 

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Of course Cignetti couldn't have done this prior to NIL. I don't care if you're the best salesman in the world. There's no way you can convince enough good players to come to the worst CFB program in history without some incentive.
 

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Not practicing typically leads to sloppy tackling and techniques.

Not to take away what they’ve accomplished and with who, but It’s got to be cheating of some kind. It’s just unbelievable.
The cheating part has to be sarcasm, right? Indiana is a disciplined, well coached team, not cheaters. Look at Coogan and what he did there. How about Mendoza? They surely don't look like cheaters. These guys are motivated, disciplined, tough, veterans.
 

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The cheating part has to be sarcasm, right? Indiana is a disciplined, well coached team, not cheaters. Look at Coogan and what he did there. How about Mendoza? They surely don't look like cheaters. These guys are motivated, disciplined, tough, veterans.

Sarcasm, yes but also just disbelief. I know it sounds bitter, but I find it completely unexplainable how they won. Cheating makes it make sense.
 

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I don't know how anyone could have picked against them last night.

I also don't know why it matters to some people that they "barely won" road games at Iowa and Penn State, which are both typically tougher venues to play in. Nobody is going to ever remember that.
 

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I think Indiana will need to take a big step forward in recruiting/developing high school kids.

There isn't going to be sixth year dudes anymore and fifth year seniors are will probably harder to come by too

Highly noticeable with this year's TP period for sure - There were not a lot of 5-year players, and definitely a dearth of GTs.
 

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Tip of the cap to Cignetti. He epitomized the fake it to you make it approach. He cracked the code and and won it fair or not. I'd be interested to see how this IU team stacked up to the past few natty winners.

Would love for ND to get a series established with them, but I don't think that's part of his plan of avoiding playing good teams when possible strategy.

Will also be interested to see when other teams come calling for his staff. Haines looks like an easy bet to be an HC in a year.
 

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Tip of the cap to Cignetti. He epitomized the fake it to you make it approach. He cracked the code and and won it fair or not. I'd be interested to see how this IU team stacked up to the past few natty winners.

Would love for ND to get a series established with them, but I don't think that's part of his plan of avoiding playing good teams when possible strategy.

Will also be interested to see when other teams come calling for his staff. Haines looks like an easy bet to be an HC in a year.
This. Both of those coordinators are going to, if nothing else, get interviews so that other programs can gather information from them about how they did it. The more success they have, the more likely both of those guys are going to get P4 head coaching jobs. It's a cinch.

Then we see what kind of reach Cignetti will have when hiring assistants. He seems to have resources coming and the backing of his administration.
 

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This is the most impressive title in sports I can think of, besides Leicester City winning the Premier League.
This is the only comparable accomplishment, but there are differences.

Leicester did it on their first shot back in the top division and actually had an established coach who had previous success. Leicester also did it completely out of no where. They were 5000-1 to win the Premier League

IU did it on their "2nd" shot with a coach who wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt for his past performance.

Last night, I watched an IU HS recruit make huge catches and it was mentioned he hadn't dropped a pass all year. I also watched an IU recruit making plays at MLB. So, if the JMU guys weren't enough, there is some more evidence Cig can coach guys up
 
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