2025 College Football Playoffs

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Worth listening to Dellenger and Godfrey. Dellenger is probably the biggest unaffiliated to ESPN insider and Godfrey hates TV networks and super conferences more than anyone.

Should also listen to Godfrey’s podcast series Who Killed College Football if you have free time or still believe in things such as CFP criteria and buffers
 
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I’m still trying to process this whole shit show, but I feel like this is so incredibly easy when you use a rational thought process:

1) ND started the year playing two playoff teams down to the wire. The first on the road in your stud QB’s first start. The second losing in the last seconds because of a botched PAT and blown call by the visiting team’s conference refs.

Did any team play two playoff teams within the first 6 weeks? Let alone first two games?

2) ND clearly improves throughout the season and wins 10 straight all by double digits. Only other team to win every game by double digits this year: Texas Tech your 4 seed.

If ND was playing playoff quality teams to the wire to start the year, clearly improves and dominates at a level only matched by the current playoff 4 seed, how are they not a playoff team?

Then you add in Bama being the first conference game loser in last 3 years to not drop at least one spot but BYU does, H2H not mattering for 5 weeks until it magically does, and then Oklahoma just get a free pass for being Iowa on offense.
 
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FWIrish4 said:
I’m still trying to process this whole shit show, but I feel like this is so incredibly easy when you use a rational thought process:

1) ND started the year playing two playoff teams down to the wire. The first on the road in your stud QB’s first start. The second losing in the last seconds because of a botched PAT and blown call by the visiting team’s conference refs.

Did any team play two playoff teams within the first 6 weeks? Let alone first two games?

2) ND clearly improves throughout the season and wins 10 straight all by double digits. Only other team to win every game by double digits this year: Texas Tech your 4 seed.

If ND was playing playoff quality teams to the wire to start the year, clearly improves and dominates at a level only matched by the current playoff 4 seed, how are they not a playoff team?
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Yea.. this system is so fucking stupid aside from the committee toying with ND..

The fact that JMU & Tulane are in the playoffs & ND isn’t is just dumb.

I’m glad they declined the bowl game.. ESPN/SEC/ACC actively campaigned against us & the committee sent a message about our independence & toyed with us for views .. hell if they should now get to make money off these kids again with some meaningless bowl trash.
 
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FWIrish4 said:
If ND was playing playoff quality teams to the wire to start the year, clearly improves and dominates at a level only matched by the current playoff 4 seed, how are they not a playoff team?
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Because the committee wasn't tasked with, or didn't care about getting, the 12 best teams in the country to determine the true National Champion.

They were tasked with protecting revenue for the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, ESPN, and the biggest brands in that grouping.

It's pretty simple, eliminate conference championship games, eliminate auto-bids and eliminate the absolute power of the committee. Go back to some form the of BCS that ranks the top 12 or 16 teams (I don't care how many) that uses multiple advanced metrics (5-6 of them) and a human component. Adjust the calendar so there aren't 4 weeks between the regular season and the NC game. Return the championship game to New Year's day.
 
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CTIDANDREW said:
Yeah, against a walk on lacrosse player freshman QB.
That isn’t the game I was talking about.

The committee used performance against common opponents as a metric in the decision.
They referenced how Miami fared equal to ND in those games.

We could have beat Pitt and Stanford by 40+ easily if we didn’t take our foot off the gas.
That could have made a difference, and when we had the H2H metric playing against us, the coaching staff should have realized that.
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Right, because you think they wouldn’t move the goalposts again? No matter what we did they’d have come up with a reason to keep us out.
 
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SDIrishFan said:
Because the committee wasn't tasked with, or didn't care about getting, the 12 best teams in the country to determine the true National Champion.

They were tasked with protecting revenue for the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, ESPN, and the biggest brands in that grouping.

It's pretty simple, eliminate conference championship games, eliminate auto-bids and eliminate the absolute power of the committee. Go back to some form the of BCS that ranks the top 12 or 16 teams (I don't care how many) that uses multiple advanced metrics (5-6 of them) and a human component. Adjust the calendar so there aren't 4 weeks between the regular season and the NC game. Return the championship game to New Year's day.
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I’ve read a ton of posts today, but this is the best summary.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Can the mods combine the multiple threads regarding the CFP? Seems like a lot of redundancy that could be covered in one thread. Just a thought.
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Let it be. It's somewhat theraputic to be able to vent in slightly different directions about the same general subtopic (the inanity of the ACC. Various TV morons. The A&M game.) at once. We need this today.
 
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OrlaNDomer said:
Who says no to going back to BCS rankings instead of committee? How is a group of obviously biased individuals a better way to decide who goes to playoffs than computer models that have been tested and used before?
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Probably the people who benefit from a group of biased individuals who are able to be persuaded through media pressure campaigns and financial incentives. The reason we moved away from computers was so that shit like today was possible. Today was a feature, not a bug.
 
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Huntr said:
That said, I still would rather have the practices, but if the team and coaching staff think they're good, then LFG.

Also, the EE's not being able to practice anymore has an impact on that utility.
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In a vacuum I want that time as well. But I. This situation it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the news. Big middle finger to everyone who chose money over sport. Won’t make anymore off ND.
 
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I can't get over it. A freaking 3 loss Alabama team is picked over us, one of their losses is team a unranked freaking 7 loss team. We have only 2 losses both of which are to teams in the playoffs. None of this shit makes sense.

Oklahoma almost lost to their entire roster
 
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SDIrishFan said:
They were tasked with protecting revenue for the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, ESPN, and the biggest brands in that grouping.
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Bingo. By getting 5 teams in the SEC gets $20M right off the rip. Having Bama/OU matched up and OM matched up with a G5 team they already smoked once this year it ensures that 2/3 of the weakest teams get through to the next round. If A&M can win in College Station the SEC will have 4 teams in the final 8. That's money directly in their pockets.

The B1G has 3 teams but two teams already in the quarterfinal by virtue of a bye.

Think about it, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We're constantly told that the SEC is head and shoulders above every other league, they prebake this into preseason rankings so that victories over bad teams like LSU or South Carolina give a boost to the winning team. Then committee rankings come out and reflect this reality and they stack the field with SEC teams, which reinforces the narrative from the preseason and justifies the same narrative next season. Same thing happens on a smaller scale with the B1G. Between the two conferences they have 2/3 of the field.

The current playoff model with a committee is a brand protection and money laundering racket for the two power conferences, the B1G and the SEC. The ACC and B12 are patronized a bit with 1 or two teams.
 
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Bane said:
I've seen people saying that UGA and FSU played their bowl game after being left out in 2023, but that was a NY6 bowl, not the fucking Pop Tarts Bowl. People will blame ND for killing bowls now, but the bowls have been dead. No one cares about them. Playoff expansion to 12 killed it because there are now no prestigious non-playoff bowl games.
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See, I hope they blame ND for killing bowls. That means we hold some power and can fuck them right back if mess around and want to find out again
 
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After listening to the above College Football Enquirer, I would bet we get a CBB-esque rankings process moving forward. You’ll get the nerds become “Bracketologist” like Lunardi. People will mock the field but you won’t get an official rankings till Selection Sunday. There will be stunners. There will be outrage. Remember UNC getting in while the AD was the Chair and there Quad record was shit?

But this probably ends what are supposed to be distinguished school representatives looking like complete morons on a weekly basis, at least publicly.
 
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Anyone know what or who Godfrey may be referring to when he said ND could cause a reverb in Washington DC?
 
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The other thing is, why is there no transparency? Why aren't we privy to the meetings? Similar to the ACC Instant Replay. We can hear all the discussion, questions, agendas, bias, reasoning etc? Not pre-prepared statements that contradict what actually happens.

On that's right, that would completely foil the corrupt system....
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
You also stated you get why they put Bama in. I'd like to hear it, grab every data point you possibly can to help it make sense. But any data point you pull must be comparative in nature so explain why ND was deficient there. Why did they bump above ND last week?

Do you get why Bama was 2/38 teams who lost in CCG but didn't move a spot. The other was TCU after losing in overtime and who had gone 12-0.
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I realize you're pissed about what happened. Don't blame you. I'm not the one who did it, nor do I agree with the reasons it happened. I'm not going to defend the decision. I don't agree with it. I said I understood their reason, which is to not punish a team for making it to their CCG even if they lose. If you want more justification for their decision, that's on them to defend, not me. Again, I understand it, but don't agree with it.
 
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Dale said:
Anyone know what or who Godfrey may be referring to when he said ND could cause a reverb in Washington DC?
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Do you have a link to the exact quote?

I referenced this earlier, but there has already been a lot legislation floating around about completely overhauling college athletics including specifically the media rights issues / conflicts of interest. There are probably a half dozen college sports issues being lobbied about but one of the biggest is that people really don't like the conference "realignment" and how conference/network partner oriented things have become and how that destroyed the PAC12.
 
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